Hexagram 11...What Do I Need To Know?

[peace66]

Relationship Question-6, 6/3, 44 To Explain 11??

For A Relationship Question, I Need To Understand Hexagram 11.
I Received: 6, 6/3, 44
Using Argument To Understand Peace??...HMMMM?
Please Help!!
Peace

 

[lightofreason]

as I said on your other copy of this...

All you need to do is review hexagram 11's spectrum - since the IC is derived from self-referencing yin/yang so we can get the IC to describe itself in general.

See the "line positions" section in:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x000111.html

... and get background from:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introXOR.html

Chris.

 

[willowfox]

You have an answer 6.3 > 44 but what was the question?

And where did Hex 11 spring from and what was the question associated with that answer?

Sorry, very confused, so unable to give a meaningful answer(s)

 

[peace66]

Hello, Willowfox

Sorry for the confusion...I originally got hex 11 for what action I should take in a
relationship. Then, I asked: What do I need to know about hex 11? The answer I got
was 6, 6/3, 44. Thanks for any insights and how do I link this thread with my other
one so I don't cause any more confusion?...
Thanks!!
Peace

 

[peace66]

Thanks Again LightofReason ...

Thanks so much for the help!!
Peace

 

[Trojina]

Peace IMO the Yi may simply be commenting on your action of asking it about 11.

In other words Yis saying 'you are arguing with me'. I only say this because once i asked Yi 'what do you mean by that' in response to an answer that seemed ridiculous (which of course wasn't in hindsight) and got hex 6 line 5 - which i took to mean I was contending the answer but that was okay - very tolerant of the Yi actually as i was a tad irked with it at the time

So i think 6 might be pointing to you contending or debating the issue of 11 and line 3 must point to how to go about that. Hmm or is it the Yi speaking for itself - d'you know I think it might be. Line 3 of 6 is one i hope someone can enlghten you further on - I don't get the whole 'kings service' business - though it could be encouraging you to delve into your existing knowledge of 11 rather than seeking fresh input on it ? Or rather delve in to previous recorded knowledge about it -

BTW the more I get 6 the more i wonder why its called 'conflict' I find it rarely is about conflict, more about sorting something out to gain clarity IMO, debating or discussing really .

 

[Trojina]

(why do you have 2 threads on this peace )

 

[Trojina]

was 6, 6/3, 44. Thanks for any insights and how do I link this thread with my other
one so I don't cause any more confusion?...
Thanks!!
Peace

Ah I'm not sure if you can link the 2 threads you may need to ask Hilary.

 

[willowfox]

He 11 is a good one suggesting that your relationship is in a period of growth and peace, everything is going fine so don't slacken your efforts, be forever vigilant.

Hex 6.3 says do not upset the status quo by trying to initiate new things into your environment, back off and let things be, your relationship is solid so be content with that.

Hex 44 says that if you and your partner are totally honest with each other then your marriage is very special and will lead to all kinds of good things in your life. So, always be prepared to discuss things with your partner, any problems or negative thoughts must be dealt with very quickly, you certainly don't want them getting bigger.

 

[mystic1]

Hello Peace66

I was browsing IC sites and saw this community and your question. I have been doing the IC for over 12 years and have gain alot of insight I would like to share with you on your situation. I hope it helps you.
I don't know what the original question was to the IC so I can only speak about what I have recieved about the situation from my IC references.
Hexagram 11
You do not seem to share your entire life with your Friend. You include your Friend only when the situation seems to relate to Freind on an obvious level. Everyone has secrets, but you keep too much of your life hidden from Friend.
You have a tendency to keep the unpleasant, problematic things to yourself and share only the pleasant things.
If your Friend is not liike you the different situations and problems and events in Friend's life which probably overlap yours require a response.
This is why you found conflict where there should have been peace. As stated this is a time when small offerings can bring huge rewards. Support and encourage your Friend.

Hex 6 6/3 44
To me, it means that as I said earlier. It is you that will have to adapt and share yourself more openly.
By do this you allow the relationship to grow.
By confronting issues from the past or sharing more will open the way.
44-You may be acting as if you are single and carefree. When the reality of it is you live for the relationship that you have now.
Acknowledge the reality of how you really feel not only to your Friend but to yourself and anyone else that needs to know.

This is my interpretation of your readings.
Let me know if it helped.

 

[Trojina]

Hello Peace66

.
Hexagram 11
You do not seem to share your entire life with your Friend. You include your Friend only when the situation seems to relate to Freind on an obvious level. Everyone has secrets, but you keep too much of your life hidden from Friend.
You have a tendency to keep the unpleasant, problematic things to yourself and share only the pleasant things.
If your Friend is not like you the different situations and problems and events in Friend's life which probably overlap yours require a response.



This is my interpretation of your readings.
Let me know if it helped.

This comes directly from Sam Reiflers book quoted word for word (printed 1974) - so unless you are Sam Reifler it isn't your interpretation. If you are Sam Reifler I apologise. If you're not I'm sure you mean to be helpful but if you quote someone directly you need to acknowledge that otherwise it is plagiarism.

 

[Trojina]

Actually this is a weird piece of synchronicity unless its deliberate - reading what Sam Reifler has to say about 6.3 and plagiarism and 6.3 being the line in Peaces question...

Most of your possessions, spiritual or material are yours simply because you acquired them and continue to hold them.. If they are lost, stolen, traded or destroyed, they no longer belong to you. There are a very few, however, which, because they were created by your own mind or hands or because of your persevering devotion to their attainment or through love, more than just belong to you; they have become a part of you and will remain so. Your expansive personality exposes these most meaningful posessions and they are always threatened. It may seem that one of them has been taken from you - an image has been plagiarised, an idea usurped a lucky fetish lost. But although it is in the possession of others, it is still yours irrevocably and eternally. So remain content with that. Do not make a fool of yourself by trying to recover it or seeking retribution. Your right to it cannot be proved and it will seem toothers that you are exagerating its value, making a mountain out of a molehill. If you are inthe service of another, do not undertake any new responsibilities

so it would seem Sam likley wouldn't care if he were plagiarised then. Funny eh I knew I'd seen a connection with 6.3 and plagiarism somewhere.

 

[peace66]

Thanks LightofReason...

as I said on your other copy of this...

All you need to do is review hexagram 11's spectrum - since the IC is derived from self-referencing yin/yang so we can get the IC to describe itself in general.

See the "line positions" section in:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x000111.html

... and get background from:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introXOR.html

Chris.

This link was very illuminating ! Thanks!
Peace

 

[peace66]

Thanks LightofReason...

as I said on your other copy of this...

All you need to do is review hexagram 11's spectrum - since the IC is derived from self-referencing yin/yang so we can get the IC to describe itself in general.

See the "line positions" section in:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x000111.html

... and get background from:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introXOR.html

Chris.

These Links are very helpful... Thanks!!
Peace

 

[peace66]

Thanks Much Trojan...

Ah I'm not sure if you can link the 2 threads you may need to ask Hilary.

I e-mailed Hilary to help me link them.
What I get from line 3 is to not feel diminished by being part of a larger group or
purpose... So, this certainly helped me understand 11 better. I know it's not proper
"protocol" to cast another reading for a reading, but since I'm comfortable with Tarot
Card reading, it does help me to do it this way.
Thanks Much!!
Peace

 

[peace66]

ThanKs Again Willowfox ...

He 11 is a good one suggesting that your relationship is in a period of growth and peace, everything is going fine so don't slacken your efforts, be forever vigilant.

Hex 6.3 says do not upset the status quo by trying to initiate new things into your environment, back off and let things be, your relationship is solid so be content with that.

Hex 44 says that if you and your partner are totally honest with each other then your marriage is very special and will lead to all kinds of good things in your life. So, always be prepared to discuss things with your partner, any problems or negative thoughts must be dealt with very quickly, you certainly don't want them getting bigger.

Thanks Alot Willowfox...I certainly need to work more on these issues...
Peace

 

[rosada]

Oh it is definitely protocol to cast another reading for a reading, Peace. At least, alot of us do it. Carol Anthony's I Ching is all about doing one reading after another to make sure you fully understand the first hexagram.

 

[peace66]

That Helps Mystic1!!

Hello Peace66

I was browsing IC sites and saw this community and your question. I have been doing the IC for over 12 years and have gain alot of insight I would like to share with you on your situation. I hope it helps you.
I don't know what the original question was to the IC so I can only speak about what I have recieved about the situation from my IC references.
Hexagram 11
You do not seem to share your entire life with your Friend. You include your Friend only when the situation seems to relate to Freind on an obvious level. Everyone has secrets, but you keep too much of your life hidden from Friend.
You have a tendency to keep the unpleasant, problematic things to yourself and share only the pleasant things.
If your Friend is not liike you the different situations and problems and events in Friend's life which probably overlap yours require a response.
This is why you found conflict where there should have been peace. As stated this is a time when small offerings can bring huge rewards. Support and encourage your Friend.

Hex 6 6/3 44
To me, it means that as I said earlier. It is you that will have to adapt and share yourself more openly.
By do this you allow the relationship to grow.
By confronting issues from the past or sharing more will open the way.
44-You may be acting as if you are single and carefree. When the reality of it is you live for the relationship that you have now.
Acknowledge the reality of how you really feel not only to your Friend but to yourself and anyone else that needs to know.

This is my interpretation of your readings.
Let me know if it helped.

Thanks Mystic1 !!! Your insights give me lots of food for thought...
Peace

 

[peace66]

Thanks Much Trojan & Mystic1...

Actually this is a weird piece of synchronicity unless its deliberate - reading what Sam Reifler has to say about 6.3 and plagiarism and 6.3 being the line in Peaces question...

Most of your possessions, spiritual or material are yours simply because you acquired them and continue to hold them.. If they are lost, stolen, traded or destroyed, they no longer belong to you. There are a very few, however, which, because they were created by your own mind or hands or because of your persevering devotion to their attainment or through love, more than just belong to you; they have become a part of you and will remain so. Your expansive personality exposes these most meaningful posessions and they are always threatened. It may seem that one of them has been taken from you - an image has been plagiarised, an idea usurped a lucky fetish lost. But although it is in the possession of others, it is still yours irrevocably and eternally. So remain content with that. Do not make a fool of yourself by trying to recover it or seeking retribution. Your right to it cannot be proved and it will seem toothers that you are exagerating its value, making a mountain out of a molehill. If you are inthe service of another, do not undertake any new responsibilities

so it would seem Sam likley wouldn't care if he were plagiarised then. Funny eh I knew I'd seen a connection with 6.3 and plagiarism somewhere.

WOW!! It sure looks like Hex 6 certainly does attract ARGUING, doesn't it?
Sam's insights also help me alot with understanding 11...
Thanks Loads!!!
Peace

 

[peace66]

Thanks, Rosada...

Oh it is definitely protocol to cast another reading for a reading, Peace. At least, alot of us do it. Carol Anthony's I Ching is all about doing one reading after another to make sure you fully understand the first hexagram.

Thanks, Rosada. It certainly helps me, especially since I'm new to The I Ching...
Peace

 

[peace66]

My Original Question For Hex 11...

Thanks Again To All Of You!
My original question was: What action do I need to take in this relationship?
I got 11, unchanging.
Then, I asked: What do I need to know about Hex 11?
I got 6, 6/3, 44
And Here We All Are Today...Trying to help me sort this out...
Thank You All Again!!
PS...
What do All Of You Think about using Hex 6, Line 6.3 in our "Good Question" Thread??
This Whole "King's Service" Thing should keep us all busy for a while!!
Peace

 

[Trojina]

Mystic you PMd me to say that i should not point out plagiarism publicly but send a private message. And also that you see no reason to point out your sources even when directly copying whole paragraphs from someones book. You say this may confuse the querant as they will then think everything you write is by that author ??

I don't agree, and don't wish to enter a private conversation about it. Surely it is clear to anyone that it is not okay to use someone elses words and claim they are ones own. Its misleading and unecessary anyway - its easy enough just to give a name, hardly alot of trouble is it ?

The reason you give for not naming your source is that you don't agree with everything Reifler says. So what ? If you quote someone word for word from their book and tell us its your interpretation thats misleading.

You also say that as only the piece about hex 11 was a quote you didn't need to acknowledge it as a quote - thats illogical - its still a sizable quote.

You say you don't find my comment helpful. Well i find plagiarism pretty unhelpful and reserve the right to point it out if i see it. Its not a personal issue but a simple clear cut ethical matter to me. I don't find it helpful to read a chunk of text one person claims to have written which was not written by him.

You also ask me why i can't simply agree with the piece of Reifler you copied out - well thats simple enough - because its about the most misleading book on the Yi I ever had the misfortune to come across IMO so why would I agree with it


I can't police your plagiarism - go ahead and plagiarise all you want - but don't PM me to keep quiet about it !

Do not PM me about this or anything else in future.