Hexagram 29 - Relationship

[anna_volke]

Dear IC community,
I am quite new to this blog but found many inspiring shared reading here. This time is about a relationship with a special person that I have not seen in some time. I asked about his feelings for me and received hexagram 29 no changing lines.

Appart form representing some form of danger, is there any reference to deep feelings perhaps? Any suggestion is appreciated.

Best wishes,
AV:bows:

 

[Trojina]

Dear IC community,
I am quite new to this blog but found many inspiring shared reading here. This time is about a relationship with a special person that I have not seen in some time. I asked about his feelings for me and received hexagram 29 no changing lines.

Appart form representing some form of danger, is there any reference to deep feelings perhaps? Any suggestion is appreciated.

Best wishes,
AV:bows:

I'd be inclined to take this answer as a warning to you not to head back into emotional depths you can't handle...or that what you experienced with him before is likley to re occur.


As for his feelings who knows. The answer might refer to his feelings or it might not. As feelings are ever changing and you don't know who the answer is about it might help to think of questions that help you get nearer the truth of what you need to understand about yourself in this relationship.


This might help http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=12642

 

[troubadour]

Anna I read somewhere that the trigram K'an does not just reoresent danger, and deep (emotional) waters, but also sadness; and yet the Judgement is so positive:

The Abysmal repeated.
If you are sincere, you have success in your heart,
And whatever you do succeeds.

This does seem to say there are deep feelings involved and that if the feelings are taken seriously there will be emotional fulfilment.

Is it just me or are people increasingly scared to feel their feelings?

 

[rodaki]

Hexagram 29 often comes up when the issue of 'feelings' is involved - it brings up a 'pang' sound: kan-kan, kan-kan, kan-kan. It's the sound of a heartbeat or a drumming instrument: it could be a sign to union (hx.8) and it could be a sign of war (hx. 7) ..

But before veering off to lovely speculations, you might wanna think whether you're heading straight into a pit asking that question and you are shown a warning sign: don't head into that direction (ie other people's feelings), stop, pitfall ahead!!!


. . Of course these are only some ideas of what a hexagram could possibly mean

 

[anna_volke]

Thank you very much for the great feedback and for the warnings. It is indeed correct that the hexagram is warning about deep waters, and I totally agree with Troubadour about the fear of real feelings and deep connections nowadays. I found H29 rather disturbing, so I guess it works as a caution notice....

Still improving the art of asking the right question to the IC, it seem equally as important as mastering the art of interpretation for a reading =)

Thank you once again for this great feedback.

Best wishes
AV

 

[sylwia]

Anna, I used to get 29 in reference to relationship and in my experience it tells you to first focus on learning to love your self.

I like the translation of 29 as "Dangerous Depths". Imagine you're in a middle of a stream. You can hold on to its banks or catch tree branches to prevent yourself from a fall. But, suddenly, there's flood and the water level gets higher and higher. You're now in the middle of a huge river, and have nothing to hold on to. Your body is being carried away by its current. If you panic, you'll swallow some water and die.

So there is nothing solid on the outside, but does it mean you have to drown? No! You can turn to the inside, listen to your body, learn its language, learn how to breathe and move your limbs, and when you practice the moves long enough you'll teach yourself to swim. Then you'll be able to safely arrive at your destination by swimming in accordance with the current of the river.

The same way, when you're asking about someone's feelings, you're looking for them as some kind of prop from the outside that would return your own emotional balance, but in fact all the love you need is already inside of you. The nice feelings you felt while being with him were yours, not his. They were produced by your mind and your body. They existed in you long before you met him and they're still there. He didn't give them to you so he couldn't take them from you either, he only triggered this kind of response inside of you. If you learn to love your self, to find the love that's already in you, you'll have the nice pleasant feeling all the time, irrelevantly of any man. You'll be much happier and able to give love rather than be dependent on receiving it. You'll feel well balanced, confident, true to yourself and beautiful instead of needy and desparate.

Just as in hex 29 you cannot control your surroundings - the only thing you can control is your own body - in life you cannot control other people, the only person in the world you can control and change is you.

I know it's not the answer you were looking for, but I hope it helps anyway. On a sunny note - once you learn that you'll be much more attractive to the other sex, and chances are he'll sense that in you and call.

Best,
Sylwia

 

[anna_volke]

Sylwia, thank you very much for this post. It certainly helps a lot!

Best wishes
AV

 

[bradford]

29 would likely require some commitment.

 

[gene]

anna

I'm in agreement with all the above, but I might add that when we plunge into the depths, we also plunge into the unknown. Falling into the abyss can as well mean falling into a misty and shadowy place. (Note in hexagram four, water is the lower trigram and it speaks much of the unknown. As well, hexagram three with water in the upper trigram indicates a time of confusion where the pieces are not fully fit into the puzzle yet.) I submit that at least at the time this question was first presented that the situation was not yet a fully formed function of the overall question. It may be that even he did not have at that time any clear understanding of what his emotional content was in this regard.

And that brings me to the next point, since you are asking about "HIS" feelings, it may be that you are not yet meant to know this information, it may be personal to him, in which case you might get a somewhat murky answer, for while I don't think there is anything implicitly wrong in asking a question like this, it may be that we are not meant yet to understand someone else's mind.

The judgment indicates success. But success only happens in the I Ching when we follow its guidance. Since the trigram k'an indicates water, it also represents in many ways the heart, and the feelings of the heart. So here the key to success is to come to "know" the situation well, and in coming to know it, the darkness turns to light.

It may be that at that time you were just not ready to know what is in someone else's heart.

Gene

 

[pocossin]

About his feelings for me?
29 unchanging

His feelings are buried. If you want to awaken the dead and for him to know how you feel, you will need to make the first move. Send the guy a bud vase with a 'Thinking of You' balloon. Your card might say, "Could we get together?" At least, you would know how he feels and what he is willing to do. There isn't any danger. What could you lose besides the cost of a floral gift and a disappointment in love?

 

[anna_volke]

Pocossin,

Thank you for this! Sending a note would be quite exciting, and I agree that sometimes its good to take the risk of expressing feelings.However, in this case I am afraid to wake up the dead and maybe find a zombie!!!

In the mean time I did some more readings and, even though I got H8 and H30 several times regarding future prospects together, I am pretty sure that there is another person involved as I keep getting H44 regarding this other relationship, with the line about the covered melon...and as far as I understand that's about pregnancy... :\

So, sad as it may sound, I think this is not an option any more. It does make me feel quite sad though. Anyway, thank you for the feedback and for the exciting suggestion that triggered many thoughts.

With best wishes,
AV

 

[F e r n]

Awesome ...