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Hello I've noticed that the various interpretations of hexagram 30 from reliable sources have been vague and confusing for me. It seems no one is able to pinpoint the exact meaning. Maybe a part of the original text is missing. Maybe the ancients were simple minded and limited in knowledge and used symbolism to try and communicate clearly, as with the cow metaphors in hexagram 30. In general I noticed this about the I Ching.

Anyways I asked what will happen when I go see a friend of mine in concert which I've had some obstacles meeting up with lately (as revealed in hexagram 13 line 5).

I received hexagram 13 line 5 > hexagram 30

Can someone pls explain this to me? Does it mean I will become aware that he has similar feelings for me but we cannot externilize them yet?
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It might simply mean that there will be no relief until things are out in the open and expressed, or in the image of flame, brought to light. Just two people trying to figure stuff out.

This may only add to your confusion on the overall meaning of 30, but I hope not. At least it accounts for the cow,:
Li4, from the Tuan Zhuan, also means beautiful or elegant, as well as clinging, dependent, or conditioned. Li4 Li2 then means Beautiful Arising as well as Dependent/Conditioned Arising. This version of the idea of conditioned arising arose before the arrival of Buddhism in China. The two Li's are almost opposite in meaning, as if reversed in their direction. One is the convergence of forces that led to this moment, the sunlight that got locked up in the plant that the cow ate and turned into beef and milk. This is what is depended upon and why we care for the cow. The other Li is that light lighting up again, in the mind of the one who dined on the cow or her milk, and then to continue to radiate outward, diverging in the various activities of the day. Li Li, thus and in a word, is the fourth dimension, past and future, as these light up in the present moment, in the intelligence and consciousness that is sunlight on the move again.
(From Yijing Hexagram Names and Core Meanings)

And on the Trigram Li:
The Symbolism: Li, as flame and sunlight, might be thought of as symbolic of the
energy which powers, organizes, lights and informs living beings, except that this
is not symbol but reality: fire is spirit’s face. Energy which now is awareness, or a
campfire, was yesterday trapped in a plant’s complex sugars, the day before, light,
on the way to photosynthesis. Tomorrow this may be invested again, in creation,
memory, knowledge or a friendship. Li encompasses both perspectives: on one’s
sources, and on one’s present transformation, both on the fuel and on the flame’s
application in the greater beyond, on convergence and diversification. This is the
fourth dimension, a being’s transformative track through time: then, now & when.
 

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Thanks Bradford I got it. Really appreciate it :)

It might simply mean that there will be no relief until things are out in the open and expressed, or in the image of flame, brought to light. Just two people trying to figure stuff out.
 

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Well everyone after much deliberation this is what I think hexagram 30 means in modern English :)

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