how do you read a hexagram with 4+ changing lines?

[kardani]

I had a great I-ching mentor, whom I have lost touch with over the years so I find this forum very helpful, in his absence. (below are EXAMPLE hexagrams to learn from)

How would you read:

1)Hex 44-lines 2,3,4,5,6? (where 5 lines change)
would it be correct to just read the second hex 2, line 1?

2)for hexagrams (with 4 lines changing) like : Hex 13-lines 1,2,3,6?
read second hex 47 but read only the bottom unchanging line 4?

3)for a hex with ALL changing lines, only read the second corresponding hexagram?


This is the technique that I have learned, yet I'm seeing here there are many different viewpoints in regards to reading the changing lines...is there one universal way to interpret these lines? although, this is helpful: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/consult/mml.php#reading I am still

 

[meng]

is there one universal way to interpret these lines?

You won't find agreement on that matter here, much less in the entire universe. It comes down to what works for you.

I've never had a problem with multiple change lines, as I see them as contextual elements to consider. Often, in order to understanding the bigger picture, more than one point can or must be made, because there's more than one angle to view it from. To me it seems wasteful to simply eliminate lines through some sort of formula. What? If I'm served chicken, rice and beans, I can't enjoy all three? And desert to boot! One of the craziest (to me) ideas I've read is to apply the line(s) you don't receive and discard the ones you do receive. hookay........

But, as said, not everyone agrees with my view, and so find their own ways to resolve the matter. Do what works for you. Maybe try more than one approach, or try changing approaches.

 

[my_key]

For me each changing line is a part of the colourful beauty of the reading. They all tell part of the story at different levels.The lines that don't change is where the change is not going to happen. So by knowing what isn't changing it may help to focus your interpretation more specifically on what is changing.
There doesn't seem to be a right or wrong way it's how you choose to make the interpretation. Whatever you choose is right for you.

Spoon it all around and then taste the gravy.

Mike

 

[em ching]

Hello,

Yes I agree. I read that when four lines move you should read the upper non moving but that seems illogical, and, coincidentally, today that became clear to me.

I asked about a fairly uncomfortable situation I'm in with my housemates whom I don't fit in with that well. I asked how I should approach things tonight, and received 41.3 - exactly illustrating the situation (there are two girls who are good friends with each other and because of my different temprament there is no room for me (which is fine with me) - so advising me not to force myself to be with them, which is uncomfortable to all, so I'm keeping my distance though we get along on the surface all right.

I also today asked about another friendship which I'm not sure has run its course or will return one day, and received 41.2,4,5,6 > 17

Reading the individual lines made sense. I interpreted it as if there is the urge to contact then do so with sincerity, but don't give up your dignity - in another reading I was reminded that like seeks like - water flows to where is wet- so if our natures are in accord then it'll happen, but for now if it doesn't feel right then reduce the need for contact.. but be open to a following if neither feels 'decreased' perhaps.

Anyway, if I was to go with the theory of bumping off lines then, again, I would have read 41.3. It struck me that it may be the case that he is intimate with someone else and has less need for other input. But if that were the case surely I would have received 41.3 - So there are other elements to this relation - perhaps a friendship is still possible here just not a close one, one that shouldn't have too much importance... So I think it's important to read the lines you were given - give them all a fair shot!

Would be interested to hear other opinions though? I suppose just go with what resonates for you.. I mean the upper non moving could be another element existing in the situation - but one that need not inpinge on you. For example, the reason I cannot have a friendship with the two girls is because they have formed a group against me, whereas with the other, the way may be still open, but the expectation should be reduced...


:bows:

 

[miakoda]

Some follow the fan yaos when there are any multiple changing lines. In your case, you would read:

44.2.3.4.5.6>2

as

33.2, 6.3, 57.4, 50.5, 28.6, and then ending with 44.6 (the uppermost line still carrying importance).

This method takes sublime perservence at first--especially with the rare lines that are in direct opposition such as 44.4 and 57.4. But most lines are more closely linked though, offering guidance for handling the fan yao.

When I questioned the I Ching about the roles of the original changing lines and the fan yaos, I received:

original changing lines: 37 unchanging (family)

and

fan yao lines: 19 unchanging (nearing).

I've noticed that following the fan yaos in essence offers a pathway through the change (in your case from 44 to 2). I've been reading this way for over a year now (after 30 some years of using the traditional method) and it's been consistently accurate. Don't think many around here support it, though...