I asked should I find justice against invisible beings.

[gerlor]

I don't know what the numberings are. I just used this webpage to generate this: http://superiching.com/ezboardcode.htmI have been bothered by these "ghosts" for a year now and they have grown more violent than ever. I wake up constantly to a morning full of voices and thick, messy, touchy, electrical air. I talk to them once in a while when I am in complete focus and deep in my study; where I read my books and reason within my own mind. Then the voices with characteristics keep coming talking trash to me. Examples, " Yeah right, you don't even know this or know that." or "Yeah, because this is that, so if you ever think about this then you belong to me. Nevermind, your anus belongs to me anyway just because you hear me talk." They are really annoying voices. Even if they decide to argue with me over some insignificant thing and lose to me, I can't seem to tell them to quit bothering me. After a year of this, they resort to simple throwing huge gulps of dense electricalized things into my mouth to make me cough as much as possible. Now it is just them acting like we are on friendly terms and shooting me.So I went to find some divination help from the Super I-Ching. I threw coins with this question, "Should I find justice and take them out in some way?"

Year: sh, Month: h, Day: c-II, Empty: sh & h      Humble - 15            B yo - -       blk	metal      K h  - - J     wht	water      P c  - -       gry	soil      B s   -        yel	metal G m  R w  - - U     red	fire      P cn - -       grn	soil

I don't know what this means, so I want to ask for someone's understanding and help with this. Please and thank you, before.

 

[rosada]

I don't know what these numberings mean either. You might get clearer understanding using the "free I Ching" option here on this site. Go to the top of this page and click on "I Ching Readings".

 

[Lavalamp]

Rosada, he got 15 unchanging. This is cast on a Chinese Yi site that incorporates time and date of your cast I think. I'll give a similar site link below. But his info looks more like this:

Year: sh, Month: h, Day: c-II, Empty: sh & h
Humble - 15
B yo - - blk metal
K h - - J wht water
P c - - gry soil
B s - yel metal
G m R w - - U red fire
P cn - - grn soil.

15 Unchanging is TEMPERANCE, Other titles: Modesty, The Symbol of Humility, Moderation, Humbling, Respectful/Humble.

Gerlor, there is nothing in this casting to suggest you should try to punish spirits that are harassing you. In point of fact that they are harassing you at all suggests you lack the spiritual resources overpower them or hurt them, or they would leave you alone. In Hebrew and Sufi mysticism you can make spirits your servants, but only a highly developed person with a great deal of spiritual discipline can do such a dangerous thing.

I should say that whether they are really spirits or not, there may be biological reasons you are hearing them. I have a dear friend who had exactly your experience and it was for biological, medical reasons. I also have deeply spiritual friends who have had profound experiences with the unseen world - but if you aren't ready to be a Magi or a Guru, you should be humble and try to quiet those voices in your head.
Simplest way, eat meat. I knew a guy who was totally not himself due to a all plant diet, and when professionals put him on a normal diet, he became his old self again.

The reading says 15 unchanging - temperance. Be humble. Don't over indulge - don't take drugs.
Hope this helps.

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

Chinese day and date with astrology and 5 elements Yi blog with similar kinds of readings ...
http://firepigmjedi.blogspot.com/2018/?m=0

- LL

 

[maisie]

Hello gerlor,

I think you really need to discuss what you are seeing with a trusted friend or family member.
Do you have some one to talk to?
Maisie

 

[Freedda]

Gerlor, I certainly do not feel qualified to address your issue - regardless if the voices are spirits or due to depression or a chemical imbalance that may need medical or professional help. Hexagram 15 would suggest a realistic approach, perhaps 'Restraining Oneself' from seeking solutions that are unconventional or unproven.

So, I'd suggest you talk to a trusted friend or a counselor, or therapist, and trust their advice, least you allow your voices to lead you further astray.

Best, David.

 

[gerlor]

Hello gerlor,I think you really need to discuss what you are seeing with a trusted friend or family member.Do you have some one to talk to?Maisie

I have talked to a few people about these invisible beings harassing me. Then I went on to talk to a psychic about them. Most of the answers are that I over indulge in something. The only thing I can think of is that I eat a lot of chicken, way back then. Now, I don't eat much yet they are still harassing me. Not only are they voices in my head, they are voices in the distance too. They have personalities of their own and talk a lot of trash. There is really nothing to say to them. They don't really care about what I have to say. An example is, " I will kill you if you threaten my family again." -MichaelYep.

 

[Trojina]

I have talked to a few people about these invisible beings harassing me. Then I went on to talk to a psychic about them. Most of the answers are that I over indulge in something. The only thing I can think of is that I eat a lot of chicken, way back then. Now, I don't eat much yet they are still harassing me. Not only are they voices in my head, they are voices in the distance too. They have personalities of their own and talk a lot of trash. There is really nothing to say to them. They don't really care about what I have to say. An example is, " I will kill you if you threaten my family again." -MichaelYep.

There's 2 possibilities here.


1. There are in fact no spirits. You are suffering from rather unpleasant delusions created by your own psyche. If this is the case then you need to seek help for your own safety. I recommend you see a Dr who can refer you to a psychiatrist who would be able to give you the correct medication to get rid of these awful experiences you are having. If this is difficult can you ask a friend or family member to help arrange some appointments with you ?


I hope this suggestion won't be deleted since I think the forum, since it attracts those in need, has some responsibility in pointing this person in the right direction rather than exacerbating the trouble by offering interpretations which I do not think is the right approach here.

2. You actually really are being bothered by dark entities demons or whatever you call them. For help with this you can ask for an exorcism from a church in your area. Whatever people say about Christians at least they do acknowledge the reality of demonic beings and can effectively rid places of them. The problem with a lot of new age psychics/diviners is they don't even think invisible evil beings are real. For some reason they believe in loving invisible beings but not harmful invisible beings.

Regardless of those possibilities this has absolutely no connection to eating chicken. As you have referred to eating chicken as a cause of these experiences I am more inclined to think you are ill and need professional help.


So currently you don't need psychics or diviners you need a Dr first and foremost I think.




That ought not to be deleted as it is the only responsible response for us to give.

 

[moss elk]

I think the forum, since it attracts those in need, has some responsibility in pointing this person in the right direction.

hear, hear.

 

[Lavalamp]

As I said in the first place, there can be biological causes for such experiences. I have a dear friend who is schizophrenic, it is an illness not a personal failure. It's important not to stigmatize people on this or similar conditions like bipolar disorder or they may not seek important advice.
And sometimes eating meat can help a person that is actually overly sensitive to spiritual influences get their feet back on the ground. I have much personal experience witnessing this first hand, and it is not frivolous advice.
If it is spirits, it's not necessarily demons. That's very very rare. More often it is just nasty dead people that feel important when they harass other people. If you close your spiritual senses you don't have to listen to them. Learning to quiet the voices in your head is difficult for most people actually. Try do a candle meditation and be silent inside. That's when you learn to tell the difference between your personal inner voice and the other voices whispering at us all the time.
It is better for people that are not strong spiritually to close their spiritual senses until they are more healthy and have a stronger aura, bubble of personal protection. And even for strong people sometimes being open spiritually can just be a distraction from living responsibly in this world.
There is certainly medication that silences the voices in our heads, for schizophrenia and related conditions. The cat virus T. Gondii is implicated in schizophrenia, it spoofs the brain's neurotransmitter messages with messages from the virus instead and the host can't tell them apart, causing hallucinations and suicidal behavior in mice and other animals. That is how the virus spreads itself.
But as M. Scott Peck has said - one of the Doctors who has actually dealt with both medical and spiritual aspects of such questions - if you treat a person with a physical problem for a spiritual problem, or a person with a spiritual problem as it they have a physical one, either way damages the person. You need the right diagnosis. None of us can do that here. But we can be a friend and discuss things.

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

Rosada, the system he cast is Wen Wang Gua, also known as The Najia Method, Wen Wang Ke (Lessons of King Wen) and a few other names. It is popular in SE Asia.
I don't begin to understand this system, but it is very traditional iChing. Very different than the typical systems we use however. "Jing Fang assigns stem and branch elements to the lines of the trigrams[1] (the trigrams as a whole already had their own element correspondences). The correspondences of the trigrams for the Celestial stems and Earthly Branches below indicate the elements for each line of the trigrams, as opposed to the trigrams as a whole."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Wang_Gua

- LL

 

[rosada]

Should I find justice against invisible beings?
Hexagram 15 unchanging.

15. Modesty is the most justified, the most balanced hexagram in the whole I Ching! It is a state so highly prized even I, who so dislike yes-or-no questions, even I have to say I see the answer here as being "Yes"

Furthermore, I believe the Image of 15. - a Mountain under the Earth - tells you how to do this. Start by visualizing yourself as being like that mountain under the earth: Silent power hidden beneath a gentle earth appearance.Next, consider when you hear these voices, consider you may be picking up on a vibrational frequency that is out of normal earthling range. I wonder if rather than trying to suddenly and completely tune them out, you should deal with them by becoming like the Earth very calm, quiet, deeply silent. The voices will start to forget you are there and will slowly start talking amongst themselves - you could even eves drop on them now! - and then, finally when they forget about you and then they forget about each other and then they wander off in different directions. Bottom line yes, you should seek justice/balance. Also bath in epson salts to clear your magnetic field.

 

[gerlor]

Thank you so much, rosada.

 

[gerlor]

Hey rosada,these "entities" have decided to attack me now with piercing "whatever." Is there more to it than just staying silent? One of them decided to pierce whatever as hard as it can at my kidney area. Just because I was silent and want nothing to do with them.

 

[Trojina]

@hilary;

 

[hilary]

I would see Hexagram 15 quite differently. There aren't really any 'yes' or 'no' hexagrams in the I Ching (though 11 and 12 come closest) - they each hold a lot more information than that.

Hexagram 15 is about being realistic, down-to-earth, embracing reality, doing the work that's yours to do and not taking more than that on yourself.

So in the spirit of Hexagram 15 the first thing I need to say is that I don't know what's going on with you, Gerlor. Nobody here knows. About the only thing we can see is that you have a thoroughly nasty, upsetting problem you really want to solve, and you haven't been able to solve it on your own. That's the reality to embrace.

So - being realistic, being down-to-earth, doing all you can and not attempting more than that - you need to get some help. I agree withTrojina's suggestions: the doctor, and the priest. I would suggest you go to both - it's not an either/or. As she said, if it's difficult to contact people, ask a friend to help.