Integrity of this method

[ginnie]

I said to Yi: 'They speak of electromagnetic fluctuations affecting the I Ching readings. Please comment on the purity of this method given these interferences.' The response was: 11.3 > 19.

Legge says: There is no state of peace
that is not liable to be disturbed,
and no departure (of evil men)
so that they shall not return,
yet when one is firm and correct,
as he realizes the distresses that may arise,
he will commit no error.
There is no occasion for sadness
at the certainty (of such recurring changes),
and in this mood the happiness (of the present)
may be (long) enjoyed.

I find this line reassuring and dismaying at the same time, thinking of all the other times I have gotten it ...

 

[yamabushi]

I said to Yi: 'They speak of electromagnetic fluctuations affecting the I Ching readings. Please comment on the purity of this method given these interferences.' The response was: 11.3 > 19.

Legge says: There is no state of peace
that is not liable to be disturbed,
and no departure (of evil men)
so that they shall not return,
yet when one is firm and correct,
as he realizes the distresses that may arise,
he will commit no error.
There is no occasion for sadness
at the certainty (of such recurring changes),
and in this mood the happiness (of the present)
may be (long) enjoyed.

I find this line reassuring and dismaying at the same time, thinking of all the other times I have gotten it ...

I dont understand your question...but I think that Yi tell you with 11.3 >19 that you have to approach him peacfully and that is all you need

 

[ginnie]

Thank you, Yamabushi. People have wondered about whether sun spots, the shifting of the North Pole, and many other Earth changes are affecting our I Ching readings.

Sometimes I get two opposite answers from the I Ching. That is why I asked that question above. It can drive me crazy sometimes, getting two opposite answers.

So I thought: Maybe the diviners get opposite answers because, as Stephen Karcher writes, the spirits are warring in heaven.

So I asked today: "If the spirits are said to be warring in Heaven, how are we to have peace on earth?" I received 6.2.5 > 35.

The answer makes a distinction between two different kinds of arguing.

In the first type of arguing, I am arguing with a much stronger force. The other side is stronger and will win, and I'll get hurt. I am urged to run away in time and hide in order to save myself, because I can never win. Running away and hiding is a problem for me. I have only one place to live. Even staying in a hotel for one night costs about US$300 these days ...

Of 6.5 it is said: "Conflict followed by supreme good fortune." That would be wonderful, supreme good fortune. But how do I achieve this? I don't know, except for (1) remaining silent; and (2) speaking only when I am calm and then only in a gentle, soothing voice.

The I Ching advises going to see the Great Person. I really don't know anyone like that right now.

I find it's hard for me to stay healthy when there is a lot of negativity and fighting and arguing around me, or when I am conflicted within myself. That is why I am asking this question. I have been relying upon the I Ching for assistance, but maybe I have been expecting too much from the I Ching.

 

[charly]

I said to Yi: 'They speak of electromagnetic fluctuations affecting the I Ching readings. Please comment on the purity of this method given these interferences.' The response was: 11.3 > 19.
...

Hi, Ginnie:

The chinese received text says for 11.3:

无 wu2:without / not / no / avoid /
平 ping2: flat / level / equal /plain /calm / peaceful /
不 bu4: un... / not / no /
陂 po1: slope /

无 wu2: without / not / no / avoid /
往 wang3: to go in a direction / towards /
不 bu4: un... / not / no /
復 fu4: return / come back /again / recover / reply to a letter / to repeat /

艱 jian1: difficult / hard / hardship /
貞 zhen1: chaste / perseverance // divination / omen /
无 wu2: without / not / no / avoid /
咎 jiu4: blame / to blame / mistake / error /

勿 wu4: do not /
恤 xu4: give relief / sympathy / worry /
其 qi2: his / her / its / theirs / that / such / it /

孚 fu2: trust / truth / sincerity / reliable // prisoner/ captive / to capture / to catch /
于 yu2: at / to /
食 shi2: animal feed / eat / food // sexual activity /
有 you3: to have / there is / there are / to exist / to be /
福 fu2: good fortune /


WITHOUT PLAIN NO SLOPE. WITHOUT GOING NO COMING.
Oppositions are necessary, they are the salt of life.

HARD OMEN. NO WRONG. DON'T WORRY IT.
Previsible difficult to accept it, nothing wrong, but don't suffer for it.

CAUGTH AT FODD THERE WILL BE GOOD FORTUNE.
Meanwhile the future catch you enjoying ...

Don't worry for storms in the sky, don't worry for fighting gods.
We cannot modify the march of the universe, but we can ejoy our lives.
... Meanwhile the body endures (1).

Of course the obvious no going no coming together with the image of being surrounded by food produces a strong connotation of temptation and sensual pleasure. Maybe only a variant of the same story.

(TO BE CONTINUED)

All the best.


Charly

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(1) "Mientras el cuerpo aguante..." Luis Sandrini.

From: http://www.todocoleccion.net/mientr...is-bayon-cine-espanol-valencia-1947~x18071141

 

[ginnie]

From One Captive to Another

CAUGTH AT FODD THERE WILL BE GOOD FORTUNE.
Meanwhile the future catch you enjoying ...

I asked such a serious question, but now I am laughing ...

Thank you, Charly

 

[charly]

...
Sometimes I get two opposite answers from the I Ching. That is why I asked that question above. It can drive me crazy sometimes, getting two opposite answers.

So I thought: Maybe the diviners get opposite answers because, as Stephen Karcher writes, the spirits are warring in heaven.

So I asked today: "If the spirits are said to be warring in Heaven, how are we to have peace on earth?" I received 6.2.5 > 35.
...

Hi, Ginnie:

Glad that you enjoy the post. I was speaking seriously, I expect that you are laughing seriously too.

See 6.2 and 6.5 chinese received text:

6.2:

不克訟
bu4 ke4 song4
NOT OVERCOMING CONFLICT
Or: UNABLE [TO] LITIGATE / FIGHT

歸而逋其邑。
gui1 er2 bu1 qi2 yi4
RETURNING FOR DUTY [TO] ONE'S TOWN
Coming back to the owns

人三百戶
ren2 san1 bai3 hu4
PEOPLE THREE HUNDRED DOORS (3)
3.000-home people
All the people / the absolute majority ...

无眚
wu2 sheng3
NO ERROR
Or: AVOID ERROR (2)
Avoid arrogance and lack of vision.
... cannot be mistaken
Negotiate.
​

6.5

訟
song4
CONFLICT
Usually: LITIGATION (1)

元吉
yuan2 ji2
SUPREME GOOD FORTUNE
Or: ORIGINAL [AND] LUCKY.

​

Nothing bad with having conflicts.
They are to be solved.
Preferable without anihilation of one or the other part.
Remember how Achiles and Agamemnon ended. Both dead.
Another time: Negotiate (4). Don't avoid conflicts, solve it an enjoy your luck.

When the Changes give opposite answers there must be a solution. Looking for it is our task.

Maybe there is a reason in the heavens, but we are moving our tails in the mud (Zuangzi}. If the gods are fighting there they, it doesn't concern us. Better to take care of our own lives.

Of course, there are some issues that relate 6.2 with MARRIAGE and LOVE. There are also LOVE-LITIGATIONS, nothing wrong if they are sweet and end with a negotiation.
MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR.

Isn't it?

Yours,

Charly

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(1) 訟 song = words + duke (VIP person) or public / popular, meaning:
... discussion between leaders (like Achiles and Agamemnon) , discussions for booty or for women
... confrontation between public/political principles or between cultures.

(2) 眚 sheng: injure to the eye / error / mistake, maybe mistakes due to lack of points of view consideration. Lack of vision.

(3) 戶 hu: door / household / family.

(4) "Negociemos don Inodoro" (Mendieta).
Ch.

 

[ginnie]

I thought 6.2 is usually a no-hope conflict. There is no longer any common ground, the common ground disappeared from under their feet, and that is why there is no hope.

I need peace inside my home. I need some peace. So I might have to go away, to save my health, which has been affected by conflicts.

Is there any place on earth where there still exists some peace? Maybe not. That would be where there are at least two people who want peace more than they want anything else. It is not easy, cooperating for the sake of peace.

Can I find some peace in my home by understanding 6.5? Sometimes when the I Ching gives two moving lines, it is showing the two alternatives. It is either a hopeless conflict or it is not a hopeless conflict. What makes the difference between the two? I'll need to ask that question.

I find it hard to travel, but I may have to go away ...

 

[ginnie]

In Order to Get Girls?

Nothing bad with having conflicts.
They are to be solved.
Preferable without annihilation of one or the other part.
Remember how Achilles and Agamemnon ended. Both dead.

This is from the internet: Why do Achilles and Agamemnon feud in the Iliad?

"Agamemnon, the commander of the Greek forces, had ordered Achilles to hand over his slave girl after Agamemnon had been forced to give his own slave back. Achilles felt insulted and claimed he loved the slave girl and refused to fight for the Greeks against the Trojans. Agamemnon and Achilles had received their slave girls as prizes of war or war brides ....A minor point to think about: When Agamemnon had sacrificed his daughter Iphigenia, he hadn't required his fellow Greek aristocrats to give him a new daughter."

I had forgotten about how the Greeks were always fighting to get girls and have other female companionship ... The females were not considered to be human beings, I guess.

Some say we are aggressive because part of our brain comes from the reptiles or because we evolved from apes. That may not be the true reason people get angry. After all, there was the violence of the Big Bang long before there were reptiles and apes.

Before there was a Universe with its kings and slave girls, there was some really big angry outburst, I would say. Who got angry? Over what?

A Course in Miracles says it was a moment of madness that brought this Universe into existence -- and that it was not God who became angry and created the Universe; it was us.

With regard to conflict A Course in Miracles teaches that the big bang was an insane instant, and the result was an insane universe, which was not made by God.

Personally, I think the I Ching is similar to the Course, in that it is here to help us out of this predicament we find ourselves in ...

When the Changes give opposite answers there must be a solution. Looking for it is our task.

That is a wonderful insight.