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Is the end of my relationship? 23 relating 4
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Progress Made from things falling apart...
23 Splitting apart, Line 4
The image shows your relationship is going through a time when negative influences on the relationship have pushed it to the point of collapse. Everything feels as if its "falling apart" and that what was good in the relationship has been completely destroyed by the problems/issues (sorry)
In your relationship it looks as if things are at there worst. But the resulting hexagram is Progress.
It could mean yes, your relationship is ending but you will move on and progress now, you will feel free enough to continue, especially if you felt deep down the relationship was holding you back or hindering you. A liberation of sorts.
Or this is a nessisary change for things to progress in your relationship. It doesn't nessisarily mean that your relationship is ending, Progress often comes from things being at their worst. The line shows that things seem bad right now & there doesn't seem a lot you can do to counteract whats happened, but If your relationship was at a standstill this could be a welcome change even if its a painful or worrisome one.
The line shows that misfortune is at its peak and can no longer be warded off, if you have been avoiding accepting the situation now would be a time to accept what has happened and hopefully you can make progress by learning from it!
"""This suggests that one should submit to the bad time and remain quiet. For it is a question not of man's doing but of time conditions, which, according to the laws of heaven, show an alternation of increase and decrease, fullness and emptiness. It is impossible to counteract these conditions of the time. Hence it is not cowardice but wisdom to submit and avoid action."""
The hexagram is advising you to remain strong, keep your courage in this situation you are facing! avoid action, and the line says to accept what is happening even though its unhappy. Accepting doesn't mean you have to like it but if you face what is happening you will be able to cope with it rather than avoiding the issue, this will allow you to be able to take a positive step and make progress when its time for that!
To know whether your relationship continues (whether its you progressing without or whether its the relationship progressing) after this spilitting apart you could ask some more questions--
Regards, hope this is helpful!
23 Splitting apart, Line 4
The image shows your relationship is going through a time when negative influences on the relationship have pushed it to the point of collapse. Everything feels as if its "falling apart" and that what was good in the relationship has been completely destroyed by the problems/issues (sorry)
In your relationship it looks as if things are at there worst. But the resulting hexagram is Progress.
It could mean yes, your relationship is ending but you will move on and progress now, you will feel free enough to continue, especially if you felt deep down the relationship was holding you back or hindering you. A liberation of sorts.
Or this is a nessisary change for things to progress in your relationship. It doesn't nessisarily mean that your relationship is ending, Progress often comes from things being at their worst. The line shows that things seem bad right now & there doesn't seem a lot you can do to counteract whats happened, but If your relationship was at a standstill this could be a welcome change even if its a painful or worrisome one.
The line shows that misfortune is at its peak and can no longer be warded off, if you have been avoiding accepting the situation now would be a time to accept what has happened and hopefully you can make progress by learning from it!
"""This suggests that one should submit to the bad time and remain quiet. For it is a question not of man's doing but of time conditions, which, according to the laws of heaven, show an alternation of increase and decrease, fullness and emptiness. It is impossible to counteract these conditions of the time. Hence it is not cowardice but wisdom to submit and avoid action."""
The hexagram is advising you to remain strong, keep your courage in this situation you are facing! avoid action, and the line says to accept what is happening even though its unhappy. Accepting doesn't mean you have to like it but if you face what is happening you will be able to cope with it rather than avoiding the issue, this will allow you to be able to take a positive step and make progress when its time for that!
To know whether your relationship continues (whether its you progressing without or whether its the relationship progressing) after this spilitting apart you could ask some more questions--
- what is the best course of action or step I can take next?
- You might also ask what state your relationship is currently in. That will give you further clarity which is always helpful. You may discover something that can help.
Regards, hope this is helpful!
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Hexagram 35
Something else positive, I think the 35 is your saviour in this reading.
It says "It is therefore the symbol of rapid, easy progress, which at the same time means ever widening expansion and clarity."
So from this time of splitting apart in your relationship you will gain clarity and easy progress despite what has happened.
hmmm. The line from the text says
""The light of the sun rises over the earth is by nature clear. The higher the sun rises, the more it emerges from the dark mists, spreading the pristine purity of its rays over an ever widening area.""
In hexagram 23 the last light line is being overthrown by the dark lines, in this hexagram we have the light element shining brightly and overcoming the dark element. So things will turn around for you.
Its also know as Easy progress because things seem clearer and you are able to move forward. So something good will result.
Again whether its you eventually benefitting from this splitting apart situation or whether its the relationship progressing you need to question further!
Something else positive, I think the 35 is your saviour in this reading.
It says "It is therefore the symbol of rapid, easy progress, which at the same time means ever widening expansion and clarity."
So from this time of splitting apart in your relationship you will gain clarity and easy progress despite what has happened.
hmmm. The line from the text says
""The light of the sun rises over the earth is by nature clear. The higher the sun rises, the more it emerges from the dark mists, spreading the pristine purity of its rays over an ever widening area.""
In hexagram 23 the last light line is being overthrown by the dark lines, in this hexagram we have the light element shining brightly and overcoming the dark element. So things will turn around for you.
Its also know as Easy progress because things seem clearer and you are able to move forward. So something good will result.
Again whether its you eventually benefitting from this splitting apart situation or whether its the relationship progressing you need to question further!
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The state of your relationship...
I did a cast myself for you, to get an idea right now the state of your relationship to see whats going on.
Also perhaps others will have some more ideas thoughts on it. I'm only fairly new to the I-ching but I'll give it ago, let me know if its accurate or not
I got 54 lines 5 & 6 changing into 10
We have the Marrying Maiden changing into Treading carefully.
Your accepting a position in this relationship which isn't really the one you wanted originally but things have turned out ok (apart from present circumstances) Things started out really well but over time you realised you were having to give a little more of yourself than you'd like, your compromising more than you think you should. But the line says that this is ok to do this if you believe this relationship is worth giving a little more of yourself or at least accepting slightly less than your expectations of the situation! & sometimes that can be a good thing!
Line 5
"""We see here a girl of aristocratic birth who marries a man of modest circumstances and understands how to adapt herself with grace to the new situation. She is free of all vanity of outer adornment, and forgetting her rank in her marriage, takes a place below that of her husband, just as the moon, before it is quite full, does not directly face the sun."""
This line makes me think things have actually been ok in this relationship, nothing to worry about in this line.
Line 6
You are clearly treading carefully in this relationship, not wanting to make any mistakes. But in doing this perhaps you haven't been so honest with yourself or the other person in your relationship. Keeping up appearences (line 6)
There is an element of truth missing from your relationship (line 6) You are both acting just for appearences in this relationship. Instead of being honest and coming out with what you are both really thinking and feeling you are giving false appearences and this is undermiming your relationship. So some honesty with yourself and the other is a definite must.
So the relationship to me looks like the real issue its having is in line 6. This is causing things to fall apart. Both of you are being superficial, in trying to preserve the relationship. I wonder if that makes any sense to you. This line makes me think that you need to have a heart to heart- get rid of whats supeficial between you and get some truth in to this relationship. it won't stop the splitting apart but it will bring you that clarity and progress you need!
Lise- interpretates 23.4 as this-- Stripping the rest(ingplace) by superficiality. Pitfall. Interesting yes? When you compare this with line 6 The lady offers a basket without contents. The gentleman stabs a sheep, but there is no blood. This lacks a beneficial purpose.Acting is just for appearances, and isn't genuine or sincere. It makes no sense to do this."" we get a correlation!! Is your relationship splitting apart from lack of truth?
hexagram 10 says that by treading carefully even though the relationship is going through a rough time and its in "danger" (Your hexgram 23) things will be ok and you will make that progress-(Your hexagram 35) see the person is in danger and gets bitten but progresses. So I think this is clarifying that your splitting apart means you will overcome this wiser & clearer.
The relationship itself even though its in danger i think (in my humble opinion) it will progress. See what you think?
I'll have a look at the other one you drew now about the steps. see if I have any ideas.
I did a cast myself for you, to get an idea right now the state of your relationship to see whats going on.
Also perhaps others will have some more ideas thoughts on it. I'm only fairly new to the I-ching but I'll give it ago, let me know if its accurate or not I got 54 lines 5 & 6 changing into 10
We have the Marrying Maiden changing into Treading carefully.
Your accepting a position in this relationship which isn't really the one you wanted originally but things have turned out ok (apart from present circumstances) Things started out really well but over time you realised you were having to give a little more of yourself than you'd like, your compromising more than you think you should. But the line says that this is ok to do this if you believe this relationship is worth giving a little more of yourself or at least accepting slightly less than your expectations of the situation! & sometimes that can be a good thing!
Line 5
"""We see here a girl of aristocratic birth who marries a man of modest circumstances and understands how to adapt herself with grace to the new situation. She is free of all vanity of outer adornment, and forgetting her rank in her marriage, takes a place below that of her husband, just as the moon, before it is quite full, does not directly face the sun."""
This line makes me think things have actually been ok in this relationship, nothing to worry about in this line.
Line 6
You are clearly treading carefully in this relationship, not wanting to make any mistakes. But in doing this perhaps you haven't been so honest with yourself or the other person in your relationship. Keeping up appearences (line 6)
There is an element of truth missing from your relationship (line 6) You are both acting just for appearences in this relationship. Instead of being honest and coming out with what you are both really thinking and feeling you are giving false appearences and this is undermiming your relationship. So some honesty with yourself and the other is a definite must.
So the relationship to me looks like the real issue its having is in line 6. This is causing things to fall apart. Both of you are being superficial, in trying to preserve the relationship. I wonder if that makes any sense to you. This line makes me think that you need to have a heart to heart- get rid of whats supeficial between you and get some truth in to this relationship. it won't stop the splitting apart but it will bring you that clarity and progress you need!
Lise- interpretates 23.4 as this-- Stripping the rest(ingplace) by superficiality. Pitfall. Interesting yes? When you compare this with line 6 The lady offers a basket without contents. The gentleman stabs a sheep, but there is no blood. This lacks a beneficial purpose.Acting is just for appearances, and isn't genuine or sincere. It makes no sense to do this."" we get a correlation!! Is your relationship splitting apart from lack of truth?
hexagram 10 says that by treading carefully even though the relationship is going through a rough time and its in "danger" (Your hexgram 23) things will be ok and you will make that progress-(Your hexagram 35) see the person is in danger and gets bitten but progresses. So I think this is clarifying that your splitting apart means you will overcome this wiser & clearer.
The relationship itself even though its in danger i think (in my humble opinion) it will progress. See what you think?
I'll have a look at the other one you drew now about the steps. see if I have any ideas.
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Steps To Take..
19.1.2---2
Approach changing into The receptive
An idea I had is Approaching with Devotion. This would certainly give you an element of truth and restore what is missing (remember line 6 of 54)
Ok, I think the I-ching is giving you an approach you can try!
""Line 1- Sensitive approach. Persistence brings good fortune.Approaching with sensitivity to the other's feelings. Things will go well by persevering in this.""
""Line 2: Sensitive approach. Good fortune, without disadvantage. Approaching with sensitivity to the other's feelings. This makes things go well, and doesn't have any disadvantage.""
Being sensitive to the other persons needs and bringing some integrety into the situation would be of benefit and it may sort out whats undermiming this relationship thats caused the collapse!
I think Its telling you that with a "Joint Approach" you can can succeed and it wouldn't be any disadvantage for you to try! I think this is saying team-work if its possible for you to do that in this relationship.
Your Hexagram 23 advised to do nothing with regards to the splitting apart to have courage, but i think the I-ching is advising that with the right approach you can make progress from this situation after all! You just have to know the right approach, which is always tricky and of course having the courage to follow the guidance
Thats all I have really, what you do now is up to you! Perhaps others will have some good ideas I'm sure you know yourself if this is a valid course of action or not!
19.1.2---2
Approach changing into The receptive
An idea I had is Approaching with Devotion. This would certainly give you an element of truth and restore what is missing (remember line 6 of 54)
Ok, I think the I-ching is giving you an approach you can try!
""Line 1- Sensitive approach. Persistence brings good fortune.Approaching with sensitivity to the other's feelings. Things will go well by persevering in this.""
""Line 2: Sensitive approach. Good fortune, without disadvantage. Approaching with sensitivity to the other's feelings. This makes things go well, and doesn't have any disadvantage.""
Being sensitive to the other persons needs and bringing some integrety into the situation would be of benefit and it may sort out whats undermiming this relationship thats caused the collapse!
I think Its telling you that with a "Joint Approach" you can can succeed and it wouldn't be any disadvantage for you to try! I think this is saying team-work if its possible for you to do that in this relationship.
Your Hexagram 23 advised to do nothing with regards to the splitting apart to have courage, but i think the I-ching is advising that with the right approach you can make progress from this situation after all! You just have to know the right approach, which is always tricky and of course having the courage to follow the guidance
Thats all I have really, what you do now is up to you! Perhaps others will have some good ideas
I'm sure you know yourself if this is a valid course of action or not!
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)Your welcome! Do let me know what happens!!! I hope you get this sorted
When I've recieved hexgram 19.2 before I approached a friend who I thought I'd had a falling out with, it turns out my friend was hoping I would get in touch, she just didn't have the courage to take the 1st step.
So if this relationship is important to you sometimes its worth risking taking a chance on the person you care about! No matter what kind of relationship it is! If you never try, you'll never know and when things get really bad sometimes you just need to take a deep breath and take a positive step, it either goes well or it doesn't but at least you tried and won't have any regrets from letting it slip by! My Philosophy!!! :bows:
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Liliy asked a question and got she says 23 >4 ie hexagram 23 with line 2 changing so giving hex 4. She didn't say she got line 4 changing, she said the relating hexagram was 4...may not make much difference,... I'm just saying. Anyway 35 is not the relating...Lily said its 4...unless Lily made a mistake
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Thanks ;-)
Bummer!!! thanks trojan LOL Misread it, oh and I went to all that trouble!!! Sorry
Bummer!!! thanks trojan LOL Misread it, oh and I went to all that trouble!!! Sorry
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oh well
My 1st post too and I messed it up (goes away to hide in shame!) well it would have been good I think if it had been the right hexagram *sigh
My 1st post too and I messed it up (goes away to hide in shame!) well it would have been good I think if it had been the right hexagram *sigh
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well many say mistakes like that have a hidden usefulness..probably you said precisely the right thing for Lily. Also most of what you wrote must still be relevant..theres not much difference in meaning between 23.2 and 23.4 as far as i can see...well except the stripping is somewhat further advanced.
Anyway no need to apologise, its only a minor detail...
Fantastic avatar BTW... lol
My 1st post too and I messed it up (goes away to hide in shame!) well it would have been good I think if it had been the right hexagram *sigh
I enjoyed your readings and you gave lot of yourself. so probably your reply is my answer!
Thank you!
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Inexperience is the culprit. Maybe you could ask other people what they would do, if they were in your same situation.
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Thats the face I pull when I'm trying to decipher the I-ching ;-)
Your welcome lilly, sorry I got that mixed up. Let us know how the situation goes!