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Hi and happy new year 🥳

My first question in 2024 was “what’s my purpose in this life?” And I received 17.1-45

17- is about leading people and 45 - bringing people together.

Based on my personality I am a leader in my private life and work. I am also a doer but also a delegator. I always achieve what I put my mind and every into.

17.1- Adapting to a change and a leader can also be a subordinate. Go and communicate with people, and get to know people. Listen to them and then once you know them you can lead them.

Could it be that my purpose in this life is to lead people and bring them together in happiness and harmony?

Any ideas or interpretations?

This is a very important question for me. I wanted to ask this for a very long time but I think I was not ready to receive the answer. But now I am and I want to know how can I serve humanity and the world we live in hence I asked.

Any support would be very appreciated ♥️

I read this in this website https://www.cafeausoul.com/oracles/iching/sui-following

17- You may need to take the initiative and show the way in order to get others to follow your lead. Joy above Thunder can be a message about stepping back to delegate. Inspire forward movement in those you lead, don’t make demands. You may receive a promotion to lead others because you have integrity and are not a threat to superiors. This hexagram calls for Joy in leading.

Where there is enthusiasm, there is sure to be a following.”Observing nature as your role model, you can begin to lead others by emulating its ways. The sage who had become master of the self and the pathway was encouraged to develop “harmony in one’s larger relationship to life.”Transcending your personal journey, you are called to lead others as a pathway to growth.

Your object of enquiry may require that you take the initiative so that others believe in what you are doing enough to follow your lead.

Firm like a Mountain, you can inspire and not impede. Gentle like the Wind, you can bring projects to completion by trusting others to carry forward your vision.

As a leader, you may operate from insecurity, threatened by the strengths of others; or, you can cultivate the talents of those that follow in a way that you are lifted to a higher level. Only by delegating, can you be made stronger.

Thus, when you master something, you naturally develop a following. The message of Sui can also lead you to explore commitment. If you are having difficulty getting support for what you are doing explore your level of commitment. The universe is always manifesting your desires. The question is: is this really what you want?

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The situation has changed and minds have changed = impulse rising, going out of the gate. Changes to (45) Gathering Together. Adapting to a change requires new approaches that can only be explored by leaving the familiar. Allow the time to reveal itself in the changed minds of others. Be open to input. There are consequences that affect all involved. A discussion or meeting brings people together to make amends. Influence is an outer prompting while impulse is an inner sense. Allow someone the space to discover the impulse rather than attempting to influence or push.

45- Gathering Together is a hexagram that shows interdependency and people coming together because of a shared ideal.

The hidden influence of Development reveals the natural exuberance generated in grass root efforts where people of like mind network and become a strong voice. It can appear when there will be meetings or events where you find people with common interests.

There is great magnetism created in this situation which brings others to share your vision.

There is a cliquish quality to this hexagram that focuses more on similarities rather than differences. By fortifying order the group assembles around a shared goal and this gives the situation a shared sense of purpose.

When creatures meet one another, they mass together. Hence, follows the principle of gathering together.” Over the Earth, is the Joyous Lake in the image of crowds drawing together. “The strong stands in the middle, therefore others mass around it.

The nuclear trigrams suggest a character that emulates the movement and influence of the Wind, while remaining steadfast like a Mountain. “When you have in your hold the great image, the empire will come to you.”

In life, you take your part in the group by serving others with your unique way of giving. In this way, you are not taking but giving; and through giving, you will strengthen the core of who you are.
 

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It's often said 17.1 can be about being less formal. Hence the official being able to stop being official for a minute, go out of the gates of officialdom, mingle with everyone else.

Of course in real life it might be a lot less high-blown. For instance: you know how stores have photo-printing services, you can go on their website and upload photos, they'll print them out, make greeting cards or photo books etc.?

Well once I was trying to make a greeting card this way. I picked out the pictures I wanted to use, came up with the greeting text - and then was told by the webpage that everything wouldn't fit on the front and inside of the card. I didn't want to let anything out, it would've ruined it. So now what?

Got 17.1, and then discovered I could put one of the photos on the back. Not where you'd normally put anything on a greeting card, but at least it'd be included. Then I wrote - by hand, very informally - "see back" on the inside with an arrow.
 

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Hi MyLife
Hi and happy new year 🥳

My first question in 2024 was “what’s my purpose in this life?” And I received 17.1-45

17- is about leading people and 45 - bringing people together.

Based on my personality I am a leader in my private life and work. I am also a doer but also a delegator. I always achieve what I put my mind and every into.
Life purpose is always tricky to interpret for someone else, and it may be that I am way off the mark here.

17 <> 45
'Following' through 'Gathering Them'

You can consider your purpose in life as being held in a context of controlling your impulses and becoming proactively preemptive in how you conduct yourself without having to resort to arms or outright warfare (45).

17 invites you to leave old grounds for disappointment and discord behind you in this life. To move with the flow and allow yourself to be guided and influenced rather than always being the action hero and leader. Yi advocates that turning and being drawn towards the fertile darkness of your inner world would align you more with your true purpose and promote the dissolution of the old, outmoded, yet comfortingly safe, ways in which you conduct your life now.

17 offers deep flexibility and adaptability through you making 'Gradual Progress' (nuclear 17 = 53). Understanding your true life purpose may well take the better part of this life time as you slowly realise what it is you need to accumulate and then wisely follow.

... of course other interpretations may carry more meaning for you.

Good Luck
 

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Being less formal?
I work as an Accounting Director, pretty formal and business oriented.

With regards to life purpose I am not sure what you mean?
 

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Hi MyLife

Life purpose is always tricky to interpret for someone else, and it may be that I am way off the mark here.

17 <> 45
'Following' through 'Gathering Them'

You can consider your purpose in life as being held in a context of controlling your impulses and becoming proactively preemptive in how you conduct yourself without having to resort to arms or outright warfare (45).

17 invites you to leave old grounds for disappointment and discord behind you in this life. To move with the flow and allow yourself to be guided and influenced rather than always being the action hero and leader. Yi advocates that turning and being drawn towards the fertile darkness of your inner world would align you more with your true purpose and promote the dissolution of the old, outmoded, yet comfortingly safe, ways in which you conduct your life now.

17 offers deep flexibility and adaptability through you making 'Gradual Progress' (nuclear 17 = 53). Understanding your true life purpose may well take the better part of this life time as you slowly realise what it is you need to accumulate and then wisely follow.

... of course other interpretations may carry more meaning for you.

Good Luck
I always been passionate about helping people overcoming life obstacles and problems.
I am a yoga trainer, a law of attraction guide and meditation instructor. I never put those in place. I don’t train people on any of those things. I am an accounting Director.

I learned those things because I would find pleasure and happiness on helping others but my career took me somewhere else.

I thought 17 means like leading someone to bring people together (45)
 

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I always been passionate about helping people overcoming life obstacles and problems.
I am a yoga trainer, a law of attraction guide and meditation instructor. I never put those in place. I don’t train people on any of those things. I am an accounting Director.

I learned those things because I would find pleasure and happiness on helping others but my career took me somewhere else.

I thought 17 means like leading someone to bring people together (45)
My interpretation is based in 17.1 which does advocate that there are deep, as yet unseen, motivations that are set to jumble things up for you. What is leading now will in time become subordinate and the life trials / changes this induces for you will only serve to bring greater advancements as you are drawn towards ways that become more natural for you to embrace.

For some, 17 can be seen as allowing yourself to be led. Equally, for some, 45 asks that you seek and speak with the Great person to bring together a better state of balance in your world.

If my interpretation does not resonate then, I am more than happy for you to go with what you see in the oracle as being your life purpose. It is your oracle after all.

Good Luck
 
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My interpretation is based in 17.1 which does advocate that there are deep, as yet unseen, motivations that are set to jumble things up for you. What is leading now will in time become subordinate and the life trials this induces for you will only serve to bring greater advancements as you are drawn towards ways that become more natural for you to embrace.

For some, 17 can be seen as allowing yourself to be led. Equally, for some, 45 asks that you seek and speak with the Great person to bring together a better state of balance in your world.

If my interpretation does not resonate then, I am more than happy for you to go with what you see in the oracle as being your life purpose. It is your oracle after all.

Good Luck
Thank you I will take in and think about it. It sounds a good interpretation.
 

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Being less formal?
I work as an Accounting Director, pretty formal and business oriented.

With regards to life purpose I am not sure what you mean?
It's an example, is all. I don't have a 17.1 life purpose example, so I posted the one of mine that was the clearest to me.

I think life purpose exists, but it may or may not be anything lofty, and it may or may not be mostly about one's job. It might be a singular defining accomplishment for one person, and more just a way to go about living for someone else.

Also, I don't mean to be evasive, but a reading about life purpose could take longer than this to understand. Maybe keep it in mind (or tacked to your bathroom mirror or what-have-you) and keep thinking about it. Read as much about it as you can find, start a place to compile notes, things like that.

It might also change as the years go by. There are lots of different ways to apply 17.1 to 45, and what it seems to mean now might be different in 10 years, and different again when you're 70, and all of them will still be 17.1 to 45.
 
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Hi MyLife,
As far as I am concerned, it is almost impossible on a forum like this to say what someone's life goal is based on a Yi answer.
So below are rather my general thoughts on the answer, it's up to you to distil your life purpose from that.

H17 is the hexagram of following, this can be both following something (e.g. an ideal) but it can also be being followed).
H17 is Thunder under Lake
Based on my personality I am a leader in my private life and work. I am also a doer but also a delegator. I always achieve what I put my mind and every into.
Thunder as the lower trigram in H17 puts more emphasis on the initiator here. The one with new ideas and plans, who initiates change.
Lake above is the interaction with others, it is the out-of-the-box thinking, it is the positive force that gives meaning to life's destiny.
The combination Thunder - Lake is also about feedback. Thunder is Spring and Lake is Autumn. In Autumn, after the harvest, you see the result of what was sown in Spring.
So in H17, you see the effect of the plans and ideas reflected in the interaction with others, in the outside world, giving the opportunity to adjust things, do things differently next time, etc. Following and being followed.

The moving yang line at the 1st position in trigram Thunder could indicate that ideas and plans are sometimes brought out too early. Earth advises giving ideas and plans time to develop
This moving line generates H45 as a related hexagram.
H45 is the hexagram of gathering, complementing a multiplicity into a one . Here the aim is to make something complete by complementing that which is missing.

The essence of the life purpose can perhaps be found in the nuclear hexagram of H17, H53 Developing Gradually.
It is Wind/Wood over Mountain, the image of a tree at the top of a mountain that continues to grow despite sometimes harsh weather conditions.
It is the strong "I" consciousness (Mountain) that sets things in motion in outer world (Wind/Wood).

The challenge or an obstacle here could be in making choices and adapting to circumstances where no influence can be exercised.

These are my thoughts on the answer, now it's up to you to distil a life purpose from this 😜

As always, take what resonates and leave the rest ;)
 

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It's an example, is all. I don't have a 17.1 life purpose example, so I posted the one of mine that was the clearest to me.

I think life purpose exists, but it may or may not be anything lofty, and it may or may not be mostly about one's job. It might be a singular defining accomplishment for one person, and more just a way to go about living for someone else.

Also, I don't mean to be evasive, but a reading about life purpose could take longer than this to understand. Maybe keep it in mind (or tacked to your bathroom mirror or what-have-you) and keep thinking about it. Read as much about it as you can find, start a place to compile notes, things like that.

It might also change as the years go by. There are lots of different ways to apply 17.1 to 45, and what it seems to mean now might be different in 10 years, and different again when you're 70, and all of them will still be 17.1 to 45.
Thank you. All valuables advices. Thanks 🙏
 

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