Lost money in the stock market

[Windrell]

Hello everyone!
In December 2009 I asked the I Ching: will I multiply my money if I buy the x bank shares?
I got 42.1>20
I did invest a lot of money and I lost it in the next 4 years...
I misunderstood the I Ching then.
Those 4 years were VERY difficult for me, I couldn't think and I had no control of myself...
But at the end, my consciousness had expanded and I saw everything with new eyes...
THAT was what the I Ching was telling me....
Gratitude to ALL of you, this is my first post, excuse me for my poor English...

 

[rosada]

How do you interpret 42.1 > 20 now?

 

[Windrell]

The increasing refers to my consciousness, hex 20, not to my pocket.
But I HAD TO LOSE the money in order to take the lessons and gain my broader "seeing" perspective...
Now, I follow a simple rule:
I take the 2nd hex.and apply its meaning to whatever action the moving lines of the 1st hex. describe.
It is the 2nd hex. that WILL CHANGE accordingly to moving line(s) of the 1st hex.
And the answer is simple and clear.
My deepest gratitude to ALL OF YOU

 

[Tohpol]

And on the material side: Just make sure you get all of your money out of stocks this year and put it into physical assets

 

[Windrell]

Thank you Topal for your interest in me and your advice!
I don't have any more money to invest any where since my total loss back in 2013.
But I DO HAVE lots of good feelings and clarity of mind and confidence after all the turmoil I have been through....
Consciousness increased!
Believe me, this is much better...
Love you all:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:

 

[caliluck]

I've been told you can't use divinity tools for personal gain. If you could use tools to predict gables there would be a lot more lotto winners walking around. Stock market is gambling. Best of luck.

 

[rosada]

Have to disagree with you on that one caliluck.

 

[Windrell]

Dear friends, I didn't want to gable, I never was after money in my life.
I only wanted to make an investment and I was trying to get a piece of advice from the I Ching.
For me, the whole experience was like losing the money from my pocket and becoming wiser in my heart.
Now I am not afraid nor worried about financial matters.
The I Ching was right: I crossed a great and dangerous river and became more fortunate than ever before.ompom:

 

[Tim K]

A valuable post you have shared with us Windrell :bows:

Looking at 42 , there are 3 yin lines following the initial year (line 1) of investment.
So I would've withdrawn the money in the 3rd year (4th line) maybe (of course now that we know the facts).
5th and 6th lines are showing some 'action/energy' again.

Can you elaborate when the real loss of money had occurred?

A year ago I lost a sizable sum of money myself because of bank's bankruptcy, and I agree with your thoughts - I got wiser and became less tied to money in my heart and mind.

 

[Tim K]

@caliluck
'There are no rules, people can fly, everything can happen' [Brian Kessler from movie Kalifornia]

In a book 'Takashima Ekidan' [1893] about japanese master of Yi, Kaemon Takashima provides many examples of using Yi for yes or no questions on practical matters, ranging from military maneuvers and foreign politics to finding objects and business advice, including investment and trade.

 

[ginnie]

But conditions change so quickly with Yi that it would be difficult to keep up with the unfolding of events, I tend to think. The cosmos is continuously unfolding and is not set in stone in advance for years to come.

 

[Tim K]

Takashima has shown some readings that held true from 3 to 10 years.

 

[ginnie]

Yes, that could be true, too, and I hope it is, for the sake of my own readings regarding financial matters!

 

[Windrell]

Dear asteroid, thank you for sharing your wisdom on my subject!
I have to inform you: the money is lost completely, the specific bank shares is ZERO value up to now, and there is NO HOPE of any recovery in any future!
I believe the I Ching gives clearly its piece of advice within the moving line(s) and the two hexagrams.
There is no need for complex interpretations with the other non-moving lines.
And the I Ching-answer covers the whole cycle of the issue asked about, from beginning to the end.
It is US who do not understand the true meaning, and that's why this forum is SO VALUABLE for the serious students!
I write again my final realization:
The 2nd hex is the THE MATTER OF FACT, and the activity of the 2nd hex WILL CHANGE AS THE MOVING LINES OF THE 1st HEX DESCRIBE.
It took me many many years to reach this conclusion, and I really wish all of you to give it a try!

 

[Windrell]

Elaboration: I should have withdrawn the money the next day!
The specific bank shares were declining continually, but I was so confused and unable to think clearly, because of many other problems during that three years period, until the shares value reached to zero!
That bank is out the market now...

 

[Tim K]

Continual decline of share price, ok thanks.
Those 3 yin lines - low energy - I think reflected that.

 

[Tim K]

How curious, read this excerpt from Takashima's Ekidan [1893], Windrell:

MARKET OF TANEGAMI.

Mr. Kyujiro Umiya, a friend of mine asked me of a sudden in the 9th. of Meiji, to divine the market
of tanegami of that year. I divined and obtained the change of “Eki" (42) into “Kwan (20)”.

Note — Tanegami is paper on which the eggs of the silkworm are deposited.

“You will have a great profit, if you order for a large quantity of it in a district of silk-worming; as
the “Positive I” says, “Advantageous to carry out a great undertaking. Perfectly lucky, and free from
blame.’
Again, this hexagram has wind above and thunder below: the wind moving, the thunder follows;
advance will be without limitation.
Again, the ‘thunder’ changed into the ‘earth’ which is productive of things.
This year, you will certainly enrich yourself very greatly with the paper.”

Mr. Umiya believed me, and threw as much of capitals as he could obtain for an enormous quantity of
the paper. He even sold his gold watch for it, and he obtained an enormous amount of profits, that year.

Time to throw Yi in the bin ?

 

[Windrell]

How curious, read this excerpt from Takashima's Ekidan [1893], Windrell:

MARKET OF TANEGAMI.

Mr. Kyujiro Umiya, a friend of mine asked me of a sudden in the 9th. of Meiji, to divine the market
of tanegami of that year. I divined and obtained the change of “Eki" (42) into “Kwan (20)”.

Note — Tanegami is paper on which the eggs of the silkworm are deposited.

“You will have a great profit, if you order for a large quantity of it in a district of silk-worming; as
the “Positive I” says, “Advantageous to carry out a great undertaking. Perfectly lucky, and free from
blame.’
Again, this hexagram has wind above and thunder below: the wind moving, the thunder follows;
advance will be without limitation.
Again, the ‘thunder’ changed into the ‘earth’ which is productive of things.
This year, you will certainly enrich yourself very greatly with the paper.”

Mr. Umiya believed me, and threw as much of capitals as he could obtain for an enormous quantity of
the paper. He even sold his gold watch for it, and he obtained an enormous amount of profits, that year.

Time to throw Yi in the bin ?

Dear Asteroid YOU ARE A GREAT I-CHING FRIEND OF MINE
I did as Mr Umiya and I lost all my capitals!
BUT to me, that money was the teacher's fees I had to pay in order to discover/solve the code of the I Ching interpretation!
Takeshima tells a lie, NOT THE I CHING!
What proof do we have on his story??
But I DO HAVE MY OWN EXPERIENCE, I KNOW IT.
It took me 27 years of contemplation, trial and errors, finally losing lots of money, so that one day I had the epiphany to know...
I am not a wise master by any means... But I know what I know.
And I shared it so that to help the serious students of the I Ching and perhaps save them from the trouble I have gone through...
Thank you Asteroid for this post, you hold a special place in my heart!

 

[Tim K]

The only common thing here might be that I Ching said: go with it, it will benefit you, whether you loose money or gain it.
I don't know how to explain this any other way.

 

[Windrell]

The only common thing here might be that I Ching said: go with it, it will benefit you, whether you loose money or gain it.
I don't know how to explain this any other way.

No, Asteroid, I Ching is not vague, the serious student learns the language of I Ching exactly, this is the great difficulty with it, not losing ourselves in wishful philosophical misleading interpretations!
You ask about money, if I Ching gives you hex 14/abundant possessions or hex 42/to enrich, to increase those below IN THE SECOND HEXAGRAM, then yes, you could become richer depending on the moving lines of the fist hex.
But if I Ching gives you hex 20/to observe with contemplation in the 2nd hex. THERE IS NO CHANCE for more money in your pocket...
I Ching is clear, our thinking is blurred...

 

[diamanda]

I also don't see how 42.1>20 could translate into a go on, do it.
42.1 shows good prospects, but the resulting 20 here is a sign for caution.
There's "no offering" in 20. 20 means view, examine, think.
So in short, "consider the good prospects" - not an advice for immediate action.

 

[Windrell]

I also don't see how 42.1>20 could translate into a go on, do it.
42.1 shows good prospects, but the resulting 20 here is a sign for caution.
There's "no offering" in 20. 20 means view, examine, think.
So in short, "consider the good prospects" - not an advice for immediate action.

Diamanda,
There were NO GOOD PROSPECTS whatsoever to consider!
I firmly believe that I Ching does not give any advice.
It only describes the course of actions, events of your question.
This is VERY IMPORTANT to understand.
Hex.42, 1st line -hex.20 describes my experience exactly: you are in contemplation with no action!
No good prospects, no financial benefit, crossing a great river-SOOOOO true- it does not describe the kind of contemplation- SOOOOO true again, I was in the darkest period of my life...it seems to me like a miracle that I am over it...

 

[Windrell]

One more thing: it tells that there is no way of avoiding it...

 

[Bourbonist]

Dear windrell, you have no idea how much this post means to me.
In a year or year and a half, I will receive a benefit from an accident I suffered a few months ago. I am trying to learn about the stock markets and other ways to invest such money... And I was thinking of consulting the I Ching when the moment arrive to seek for help and guidance.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Love,

B

 

[Windrell]

Dear windrell, you have no idea how much this post means to me.
In a year or year and a half, I will receive a benefit from an accident I suffered a few months ago. I am trying to learn about the stock markets and other ways to invest such money... And I was thinking of consulting the I Ching when the moment arrive to seek for help and guidance.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Love,

B

Dear Bourbonist,
Deep from my heart I give this piece of advice:
Ask I Ching the following question FIRST OF ALL:
Will I increase my money by investing in the stock market?
Because the stock market IS a way of financial increase BUT NOT FOR EVERYONE!
I am a very serious student of Astrology and I know what Destiny is very well.
Each one has one's own "route" of material gain in one's destiny.
That's why you should ask the above question.
And ONLY IF YOU GET A DEFINITELY POSITIVE answer, you will ask:
How will the x/z/y etc share go?
Best wishes

 

[Bourbonist]

Dear Bourbonist,
Deep from my heart I give this piece of advice:
Ask I Ching the following question FIRST OF ALL:
Will I increase my money by investing in the stock market?
Because the stock market IS a way of financial increase BUT NOT FOR EVERYONE!
I am a very serious student of Astrology and I know what Destiny is very well.
Each one has one's own "route" of material gain in one's destiny.
That's why you should ask the above question.
And ONLY IF YOU GET A DEFINITELY POSITIVE answer, you will ask:
How will the x/z/y etc share go?
Best wishes

Always so kind, windrell! Thanks for the advise, when the time comes (and only if in doubt) I will ask the i-Ching those questions.

Love

B

 

[altair139]

the iching can't be a good way to guide you in business, especially stock markets because the iching is based on cause and effect of nature, but the way things go in stock market is too unpredictable, the reading could change in a matter of seconds.
If our life is a tree of possibility, the stock market is a computer of possibilities with much more complicated lines and consequences, it's too unreliable to use iching for this.

 

[altair139]

To be more detailed, I'm going through the reading now

42.1 > 20
42.1 certainly shows the potential of increasing your money, but that was the story of 4 years ago. In stock you have to constantly be on alert, keep checking the situation with the company you've invested in and know when to withdraw when possible, you can't just leave your money there and be hopeful that the curve will keep going up.

20 is contemplation on what you've been doing
the fan yao, line 1: Boy-like contemplation. For an inferior man, no blame. For a superior man, humiliation.
For somebody not experienced in stock market, a loss is not to blame, but if you are, of course humiliation to you.
" At the outset, the man does not comprehend the nature of prevailing forces nor does he perceive them as a connected whole. The superficial view is acceptable for the masses, but the superior man should know better."

 

[Windrell]

the iching can't be a good way to guide you in business, especially stock markets because the iching is based on cause and effect of nature, but the way things go in stock market is too unpredictable, the reading could change in a matter of seconds.
If our life is a tree of possibility, the stock market is a computer of possibilities with much more complicated lines and consequences, it's too unreliable to use iching for this.

Altair I disagree but I thank you for sharing your view!
I know there have been successful stock market predictions by I Ching.
The stock market is part of our world.
Again I believe it is us, not understanding the I Ching language correctly.
Personally for me, the challenge to "translate" I Ching correctly is worth any amount of money, or years of trial and errors.
And the wisest Master we can count on, is our own experience!
That's why this forum is a TEMPLE OF THE I CHING.
Be blessed HILARY!:bows:

 

[altair139]

yes it is part of this world, and it's possible to predict but what i'm saying that it rarely happens and thus unreliable, (unless a big thing is coming to that company and the cause of it has happened before the cast). In stock market every person in it can change the outcome of what will happen next thus the tree of possibilities becomes incredibly complicated and hard to predict as it will keep stemming out due to the actions of millions people.
Because of that it's very hard to predict a trivial matter (even some cases, big matter) if we ask a question in 10-20 years time, the reading coming out today could change in just 1 year, 2 years, 5 years depending on our choices in life.