Meaning of 14.6 > 34 and a strange dream?

[marianne_]

Hi everyone! First time here, could really do with some help with interpretation
Yesterday I tried to make a reading for the first time ever. I've been researching the I ching for a couple of days and should probably have given it a bit longer but I felt like time was running out to make a decision and decided to give it a go. I still can't really fathom the answer though. I considered asking a different question but that seemed counterproductive if I can't understand the first answer yet!

Basically, I've been with someone at college for about 5 months, and recently a few issues have come up and I've been trying to decide whether we're suited enough to one another to try to fix things and carry on, or whether it would be better to go on alone at this time.

I was having trouble wording a question so I used one of the more general examples from the relationship sticky 'How to be with this?'.

The answer I got was 14 with 6th line moving, changing into 34.

In my book (John Blofeld translation, 1965) 14 talks about 'great possessions', and 9 for the top line says good fortune, and hexagram 34 is 'power of the great' and talks about right persistence bringing reward, and superior man never taking a step without impropriety.
I'm probably not seeing deep enough into this at all, but I couldn't work out whether to take it as I have enough to be able to persist alone; or that the relationship is a great possession and should be persisted with. Or perhaps something else that I'm just not getting!

Anyway I was puzzling about it all evening and when I fell asleep and I had a dream that I was reading the book and saying '13, its 13'. It was so vivid that I still remembered it in the morning, and turned straight to hexagram 13. So far I've only read the pages about the 2 hexagrams that I got yesterday, so I had no idea what 13 might be about. In my book it's called T'ung Jen - Lovers. It talks about Lovers in the open bringing success and it being advantageous to cross the great river. And again, righteous persistence.

This seemed very significant… was it trying to help me out because I was struggling with the interpretation? Or is it irrelevant? What should I make of all this?

Any help would be much appreciated!

-Marianne
(bit long sorry!)

 

[chingching]

I think you are going well for only justpicking. It up. Read 13 line 1 , sometimes relevant in a line 6 changing reading. Sometimes. I'm resisting writing what I know and see about your. Reading as I'd like to read a different pov on 14.6 than mine, I've gone stale...

 

[chingching]

Marianne I just looked up Bedford list of gua names as I dont have a copy Blofeld's translation, Bradford's entry for Blofeld's 13 is 'beloved friends'

 

[Trojina]

I think you are going well for only justpicking. It up. Read 13 line 1 , sometimes relevant in a line 6 changing reading. Sometimes. I'm resisting writing what I know and see about your. Reading as I'd like to read a different pov on 14.6 than mine, I've gone stale...

where does 13.1 come in ?

 

[Trojina]

Marianne I just looked up Bedford list of gua names as I don't have a copy of blofeld's and Bedford has beloved friends I wonder why. Yours is different. Friendship is certainly worth sticking around for.

...and who is 'Bedford' that has alot of friends do you mean Bradford....? what line does he have 'beloved friends' for....it doesn't sound like Bradford...okay just checked it isn't Bradfords name for hexagram 13.....phew good grief I thought he'd gone soft for a minute....it just leaves me wondering who Bedford is lol

 

[answeredquestions]

I think you are going well for only justpicking. It up.

... Me too.

I'm probably not seeing deep enough into this at all, but I couldn't work out whether to take it as I have enough to be able to persist alone; or that the relationship is a great possession and should be persisted with. Or perhaps something else that I'm just not getting

Your question was "'How to be with this?' so just remember it is talking about and to you.

This seemed very significant… was it trying to help me out because I was struggling with the interpretation? Or is it irrelevant? What should I make of all this?

I would say the "13" from your inner voice is relevant and it is good that you listen. I would look at some other transations as well.

Here are a couple I know on the web:
http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/index.html
http://www.akirarabelais.com/i/i.html


Take care,
AQ

 

[answeredquestions]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/0140193359/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0 - Amazon has John Blofeld I ching....

 

[Trojina]

Hi everyone! First time here, could really do with some help with interpretation
Yesterday I tried to make a reading for the first time ever. I've been researching the I ching for a couple of days and should probably have given it a bit longer but I felt like time was running out to make a decision and decided to give it a go. I still can't really fathom the answer though. I considered asking a different question but that seemed counterproductive if I can't understand the first answer yet!

Basically, I've been with someone at college for about 5 months, and recently a few issues have come up and I've been trying to decide whether we're suited enough to one another to try to fix things and carry on, or whether it would be better to go on alone at this time.

I was having trouble wording a question so I used one of the more general examples from the relationship sticky 'How to be with this?'.

The answer I got was 14 with 6th line moving, changing into 34.

In my book (John Blofeld translation, 1965) 14 talks about 'great possessions', and 9 for the top line says good fortune, and hexagram 34 is 'power of the great' and talks about right persistence bringing reward, and superior man never taking a step without impropriety.

I'm probably not seeing deep enough into this at all, but I couldn't work out whether to take it as I have enough to be able to persist alone; or that the relationship is a great possession and should be persisted with. Or perhaps something else that I'm just not getting!

Anyway I was puzzling about it all evening and when I fell asleep and I had a dream that I was reading the book and saying '13, its 13'. It was so vivid that I still remembered it in the morning, and turned straight to hexagram 13. So far I've only read the pages about the 2 hexagrams that I got yesterday, so I had no idea what 13 might be about. In my book it's called T'ung Jen - Lovers. It talks about Lovers in the open bringing success and it being advantageous to cross the great river. And again, righteous persistence.

This seemed very significant… was it trying to help me out because I was struggling with the interpretation? Or is it irrelevant? What should I make of all this?

Any help would be much appreciated!

-Marianne
(bit long sorry!)

I feel if your answer was 13, which isn't about lovers in particular, just communities, clans and so on...if your answer was 13 yould have cast 13.

Re the underlined if I got this answer I'd take it as its not telling you what to do . I don't think you need it to tell you what to do. You probably already know. I think its one of those mystery elusive answers its nice to carry in your pocket for a while and let it.....pervade you.

I think its tantamount to pointing you back to your choice....its your choice...but as you are so rich, so blessed, as the answer says, can you really go wrong in your choice ?... is how I sense it. I don't think you will make a wrong choice since the answer shows you to be alignment with the flow of things...you aren't in danger of 'going wrong' here.


If you take the 13 into account it points more to being together with someone than not being together...unless 13 has other asscociations for you beyond the I Ching ?


ETA its also worth considering your blessings now...don't take things for granted

 

[marianne_]

Oh.. This is starting to make more sense now. I was looking too much for an answer with a definitive right and wrong, and getting wound up about misinterpreting and making the 'wrong' decision… sort of forgetting that my own choice still comes into it. So I suppose whatever I choose, as long as I act in a proper and honest way.. Then it shouldn't be the wrong decision?

Thanks AQ, those sites with different translations were really helpful. I guess it's difficult to get an exact translation from the Chinese… there might not be an English word that expresses exactly the same meaning, so having several different translations gave me a more certain idea of which meaning a word is pointing too.

As for the bit about hexagram 13, Trojan you could be right, if I was supposed to get a 13 maybe it would have been in the actual reading… I suppose I might have flicked past it while looking turning to hexagram 14 and maybe my subconscious picked up on it while my conscious mind did not, and then brought my attention back to it through a dream as the words could also be helpful to me… or perhaps there's another explanation, I'll never know! Anyhow, especially after reading the other translations which do not refer so specifically to 'lovers' as my book does, it does also ring true. It seems to point to relationships with anyone being more successful with open and honest communication, and no reservations, hidden agendas, or secrecy… which I suppose I am a little guilty of.

Anyway thanks everyone, I'll let you know if anything else becomes clearer

 

[marianne_]

Actually, have just been thinking a bit more and am realising that it might have been a slightly silly question to start with in this case. I suppose its like going to your parents or a good friend and asking them 'who should I be with?', and they'd say something like 'well, you're lucky to have what you have already, so be grateful. Make your own decision, be decent about it, and you won't go too wrong'. Which is basically what I've come to interpret from my reading… and something I probably ought to have been able to work out by myself without needing to ask the I Ching in the first place! Ah well..

But its quite exciting anyway really. I read an article that said that in a verse that accompanies the I Ching two of the lines read 'it does not act like your master or guard, it is as if your beloved parents draw near'. Which I suppose is why I didn't get the moralising, definitive answer I thought I would at first.

Let me know if anyone thinks I've wandered way off the mark, still very new to this!