Need help with 59

[seeker]

I am a bit confused about this hex, gee me confused about a hex, now theres something new

But on this one its the differences in my translations that are throwing me. On the one hand I have it defined as reunion and clearing away misunderstanding, but then I also have it as lifting illusion. Of course maybe it is a question of semantics or the glass half full vs the glass half empty. I read clearing misunderstanding as going along with reunion. In the case of a relationship, that would seem to indicate you clear things up and reunite. But I guess clearing misunderstandings could be seen as lifting any illusions you had, which would then give you a clear picture of things. This could mean you reunite or could mean you see the truth that it wont work and move on. Ive always seen this hex more in the latter context. Karcher translates it as dispersing, which for some reason, gives me the image of moving away from something. If my image is correct, how do the moving lines fit in? They all seem to give ways to clear misunderstanding, but do not seem to be moving away from the situation but more resolving it, which again, seems to lead more to reuniting than moving away. Thoughts please. BTW, Im so proud of myself, I only asked one question

 

[frank]

Hi Seek,

You may be proud of yourself indeed, as so am I... Surviving Wilma and then asking just one question... Wauw :-D. I've two ways of looking to hexagram 59... Once I asked the Yi in what hexagram my 'way of life' was symbolised and I received 59... Mostly of the times I receive this hexagram (wich I haven;t got this year yet) I read it then as a lesson on the road I'm following in this life, like,,, 'ok this is not happening for granded... it's meaningfull for me... and my life-lessons"... But in average I do not like this hexagram much, as I do / did (i'm on a crossroad these days :-D) not like the road I was traveling... It's about vapourising... the trigrams are Wind over Water... Vapour... so probably about disolving things indeed... It could by another way also mean to disolve your bond with someone or something, so that another form can be made... Perhaps that's why hexagram 60, LIMITATIONS is the next chapter as in a new way of approaching a person or situation you have to deal with borders... Maybe it's just like in Hexagram 40: Free yourself... Let go... It probably depends on the question and the amount of chanching lines (and what it says ofcourse) what kind of things you have to let go to form the new... Maybe a very silly question, but what was the question you asked and wich lines did you get :-D?

Hug,
Frank

 

[peace]

Seeker:

I see 59 as dispersing - kind of like things blow away and get scattered. Something rigid gets shaken up, things go in every direction and you're waiting for it all to settle again into a new configuration.

That's my two cents!
Rosalie

 

[void]

Hi Seeker I agree with the view you favour which is that this hex is more to do with scattering than reuniting. Personally it has never ever meant reuniting for me at all. It has meant a rather pleasant dissolution of relationships or situations that may have become static or burdensome - they seem indeed not to end in abrupt way, but fade out scattering, floating away like a cloud...I quite like getting this hex, it can feel very like hex 40 to me. The lines I see as a process of liberation, with line 6 as saying its okay to go completely.

I suppose in some instances 59 might be refering to dispersion of differences between people - and so reuniting. Just not for me. The wind comes and blows it apart, not together...which is of course dispersion.

 

[jesed]

Just in case the commentarie could be useful

Something in your life (or in the situation you had asked for) is getting rigid like ice; you need a soft and warm wind to dispersing rigidity. That's the only way your life (or the situation you had asked for) flow again with the Tao.

So, you should ask yourself: what kind of rigidities I have related to the topic of my question? Find it, and blow it away, not by force but by softeness.

Best wishes

 

[bradford_h]

Maybe the simplest way to know 59 is as a change of state, from denser to rarer, a solid melting, a liquid evaporating, a plant form going to seed, a teacher becoming a teaching or dharma. Like the Sufis say (and the trigrams of 59):

I came lke water, like wind I go.

It's how the puddle crosses the desert.

 

[micheline]

I like everybody's words.

maybe this hex is a lot like what is happening globally now...a warming...ice melting, water flowing, flooding, evaporating....picture Greenland slowly thawing and dissolving. A loosening of rigidity. The winds of change

The dissolution of lines which once separated people, therefore the image of reuniting. When the boundaries (which could be a hardness of heart) dissolve, there is a reuniting of elements which now flow together.

I think it is sara dening who names the hex: Obstacles Dissolve. Cant be sure right now because I dont have her book with me.

In terms of a relationship, I feel this hex could point to both a breaking apart as well as to coming to new ground together, but I personally see it as a harbinger of internal change. or the need for this.

Remember how old Scrooge lived inside his tight little world all hard-hearted and cold. The winds of change (spirits) blew through his heart, and dissolved all the old structures. He softened and was made pliable. all iciness melted. resentments dissolved. He was re-united with his whole world. There is nothing petty or small (or particular) about this process.

 

[seeker]

Well, the question I asked was related to this guy I was talking to online. He had emailed me a few times, seeemed utterly perfect, the too good to be true type. I really wanted him to be real, but his writing seemed off. He said he was born and raised in the US and was an ex-marine who had worked for Progress Energy for the past 13 years, but his writing came across like English was not his first language. He used plurals in some cases where he should have used singular, like women instead of woman. And some of his phrases were not correct, saying I was a cute women, where most people would just say you are cute, and he said he felt like a three wheel, instead of third wheel. His last email stated he had had some bad experiences so did not want to give out his phone number right away or ask for mine (was odd because I had not broached that at all), so I told him about my bad experience with the guy I finally figured out was trying to get me to do something illegal. I told him at some point I would want a last name for him so I could be sure he was who he said he was. Have not heard from him since. His last email also stated he was being sent to Texas for two months with his job (shades of my last experience with the guy who claimed to be on business in Africa) so I thought maybe he was just busy, but the personals site shows the last time somebody logged in and he has been on several times within the past few days.

So, I asked Yi, what about this, with the idea of what is happening, why have I not heard from him? Despite my reservations I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I got 59.1.2.3.6. My first instinct at seeing 59 was ok, this is not going to happen, my instincts were probably correct. But in reviewing the moving lines, I was afraid maybe it was telling me I needed to disperse my own feelings, not to judge this guy based on my past bad experience.

Interesting in reading your responses I can see it both ways, though of course you were just responding to the hex as a whole. I dont see myself as being rigid or hard hearted. I actually get into trouble because I am very soft hearted and quick to trust people. Its probably because of my job. As an investigator I spend so much time being suspicious of people, I just cant do it in my off hours. So, if its talking about something within myself that needs to be melted or changed, Im not sure what that is. So, now that you have more info, any ideas of what this means for me specifically???

I admit I dont trust my instincts as much as I used to. That happens when you wake up one day and realize you have spent 8 years married to a psycho you never really knew. Its been just over a year since we separated, and I have grown a lot, but some of the scars are still here. So, maybe 59 does have some deeper meaning for me.

 

[lightofdarkness]

From a universal perspective, 59 covers a context of 'contractive bounding' (water - vague focus on protection etc) in which is operating a text of 'contractive binding' (wind - vague focus on cultivating, sharing time with another/others)

Refine the perspective give us "with containment comes becoming influencial".

The skeletal form of 56 is described by analogy to hex 60 and its focus on limitations, establishing of standards etc - so we can see here the sense of 'lifting the fog' etc where that lifting acts to dispel illusions and so become influencial etc etc etc see:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/IChingPlus/x110010.html

(BTW - emotional aspect is a context of issues of rejection in which is operating a text focused on anticipation)

Chris.

 

[frank]

Hi Seek,

I think in this case 59 can give you the hint not to expect much (wich is not saying that there will not be!), but expectations always gives another taste to the situation. I know this, because it's one of my blind spots: expectations that are to high, because I do things the way I do it and so I expect another do the same... (yeah right... :-D). So I do recognise this, and in 59 it is probably the emotions of these expectations, the 'exitement' that is better to disolve... So NOT the bond, but the expectations and take it just step by step. This is not said by the Yi to hurt you, but TO HELP, because in my experience the YI knows mostly exactly who is talking to him / her and he / she knows YOU, Seeker :-D! In earlier posts and in reading the final outcome of some situations after those posts, I see some kind of patern in your expectations, and it hurts you every time... So please be kind to yourself and proud and expect only for the best, but be critical :-D.

And I so much (again and again :-D) recognise this and do the same thing :-D...

By actually getting lines 1,2,3 & 6 The Outer Yang (Karcher) or "confrontational / phase hexagram" (Dutch) you get hexagram 26... Do not eat at home, so do get diners with this guy, or at least inspiration by him or your friends who know you and support you and hold yourself in.
You told us about not trusting your instincts as you used to do... Can you trust the Yi or the others then :-D?

I still find it hart to explain this line by line though, because in line 1 you have strong willpower (the strong horse), in line 2 there are opportunities, in line 3 you dissolve your ego and in line 6 you get rit of your own blood... Mmm. don't know exactly how to read this...

Hug,
Frank

 

[micheline]

seeker, It sounds like a wash-out with this guy...and that's the end of it .. 63.

Just a word of caution about giving out last names on the dating sites (or any other site)...I don't know if you give yours readily, but with a last name, someone could use a site like zabasearch.com and get your address and home phone for free....for a small fee, they get an aerial view of where you live, family info, your property value, etc.

you seem to meet some of the strangest characters on these sites! Maybe you would do better to join a hiking club, a cycling club? maybe become very active in the PTA. join a gym, swim at the ymca. Sometimes 59 could be saying to break out of your old routines and do something completely new.

You're a young woman, there are probably many places you can go and meet someone face to face.
This eliminates somewhat the hazards of being duped by faceless entities who can obviously pretend to be anything they want. and keep you guessing. YOu were married to someone you "never knew"....It is now right and appropriate to expect and insist upon unfront communication. The internet may not be the best place to start when looking for that, but if you do use the internet, as soon as you get a clue there is something fishy, trust yourself and move on. there's big world out there...and a lot of fish in the sea, even some who aren't "fishy."

wishing you well.

 

[bruce]

Agrees with Micheline, and will add that your phone number typed into Google will also provide your exact address, map included.

Please be careful online.

 

[frank]

Hi Seek,

I suddenly realised (kaboum, ouch, my head :-D)that looking at 59, you see wind over water... Wind is a symbol for blowing things away, and water can be a symbol for fear and anxiety... Perhaps 59 is about blowing away the fear and anxiety...

And now I?m gonna take an asperine :-D (ouch...)

Hug,
Frank

 

[seeker]

Appreciate everyones input, will have to see what is blown away with this one. When I first received it I was torn between its meaning blowing away my own fear, as Frank said, or blowing away the opportunity, but now I lean towards what Micheline said, especially since I still have not heard from him.

And yes, communicating online has its drawbacks. Being an investigator I am more than aware of how much info you can get with just someones name. I have no real proof that any of you are who you say you are It is not my only means of meeting people, just the only one I have been successful at. I have limited time to go out because of my daughter. There is only so much available in a small town, and most is not conducive to my schedule. On the weekends when my daughter is with my ex I go to the bookstore or the beach, but I rarely meet anyone. And even if you do meet someone face to face, you still dont necessarily know anything about them. Look at Lacy Peterson.

Because of my job, it is actually very easy to get info on me. With my being an investigator you would think it would be the oppisite, but they dont protect me in any way. It would be very easy for someone to get my name from my job. I am actually at far greater risk in my job than meeting someone online, which is probably the reason I dont worry so much. But I do take precautions, such as getting a name to be sure the person is who they say they are. Unfortunately, these days there arent any guarantees when it comes to safety. You just have to take whatever precautions you can, roll the dice and take your chances.

 

[micheline]

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true enough. I am still wondering if martin is martine or if martine is martin

and yet, because of the time spent here and the kinds of things shared, I feel like I have a pretty good feel for a lot of the people here.
would be fun to all meet around a coffee table and experience the Voices in the flesh! some day we should all take a cruise together to some exotic location...or ride the Orient Express!

I wonder what surprises would be in store. sure would be interesting, in any case!

 

[bruce]

Will the real Martin or Martine please stand up!

 

[seeker]

Yes, I too have a good feel for the people here. I dont get the wiggins when I converse with people here. Although, Auriel seems to have disappeared. He had emailed me privately a couple of times and after I asked him a bit more about himself he disappeared. I am wondering what happened to him.

 

[cal val]

Seeker...

Wow! I'm really shocked to see the breach of privacy, confidence and trust in your last post.

Private is private.

Love,

Val

 

[martin]

Talking about privacy, who has installed a webcam in my bathroom?

 

[luz]

Am I missing something?

(not a webcam!

, it wasnt' me!)

I read Seeker's post and she is wondering about Auriel. The post leaves me with no idea of what they mailed about, no clue as to how much trust or confidence they placed on each other.. so, I can not really see that Seeker did something wrong here..

I don't mean to be argumentative, but if I was her, I would feel wrongly accused.. and I wouldn't like that. So I feel I should say what I think..