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am using the three coins - matching to hexagrams etc

but I see remarks about "Ninth in the First" & "Sixth in the Second" etc

& am at a loss to understand what this is all about

idiots explanation please
 

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but I see remarks about "Ninth in the First" & "Sixth in the Second" etc
This just means a changing yang line for the first line and a changing yin line for the second line of the hexagram.

There's all you need to know about how to cast a hexagram under the 'learn' tab top right here




If you know that but it's the language of 'ninth in the first' well it's just a different way of referring to a change line.
 

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ok picture this

am using the three coins - matching to hexagrams etc

but I see remarks about "Ninth in the First" & "Sixth in the Second" etc

& am at a loss to understand what this is all about

idiots explanation please

A hexagram consists of six lines. The lowest line is the first line, and the highest is the sixth. The lowest line is the first line because a hexagram builds from the bottom upwards. So when you use the three coin method to get a hexagram, you toss them six times - one toss for each line. The first time you toss them, you get the lowest (first) line (write it down). Then you toss them five more times (write it down each time) and build your hexagram, one line at a time, until you have a complete six-line hexagram.

Okay, so when you toss the three coins, you can get only one of four possible types of line - changing yin, unchanging yin, changing yang or unchanging yang - it depends on how the coins fall. Decide which side of the coin is yin - it has a value of 2. The other side of the coin is yang, of course, with a value of 3. When you toss the three coins, there are four possibilities, as I said:

2 + 2 + 2 = 6

2 + 2 + 3 = 7

2 + 3 + 3 = 8

3 + 3 + 3 = 9

So, every time to toss the three coins, you will get only one of those results - it will be a 6, or a 7, or an 8 or a 9. So, to return to your original example, if the text says 'nine in the first', it means 'a 9 line in the first (lowest) position of the hexagram'. Or if the text says, 'six in the second', it mesns we're talking about a 6 line in the second position (the position just above the lowest position).

When you have your primary hexagram and it's time to start interpreting it, pay especial attention to the 6 lines and the 9 lines because:

* they're supercharged and have particular importance for your question/situation (They're called 'changing lines', btw)

* they indicate which 'related hexagram' you get (the related hexagram relates to your primary hexagram and its meaning should be considered as well)

Any questions?
 

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You just need to put in the time, and when you figure it out, you'll be surprised how straightforward it is. FWIW, the best way to learn it is from somebody else in the same room together - piece of cake. Maybe the second easiest way is from a video:

 

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Here's a video Hilary made about casting with coins:
 

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