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Hello.

I have been a fan of the I Ching for many, many years but I have never really studied it, this is because I am intellectually challenged, I have the intellect of an infant of six months old. I did have a paperback of Wilhelm's translation but apart from very occasionally using it, I couldn't study it as it was too complex for my pigeon-sized brain. So I was happy to hear of Harriet's book as it seemed to offer another less intellectual approach, I received the book and was happy to see the layout of key questions, oracle, image and sequence, I was further enraptured by the sparsity of intellectual observation, I think Harriet is very intuitive and it comes through in her book, I love it, it's simple, like me.

I had a very serious question, the first I would ask with a book and three coins for many, many years, I have been too busy creating for the past 30 years to have a need to ask questions, my path was laid out clearly for me, I must create, and create I have, but my creative epic has taken me deep into the realms of my unconscious mind, what in mythology is called the underworld, well I have travelled to the underworld and defeated terrible inner demons that were destroying my life, and the battle between me and my inner demons continues.

This was my question: My own inner darkness is preventing me from changing, what should I do?

I got hexagram 54 changing to 57 with changing lines at 1,2,3,4 & 6

The oracle of 54 was understood to me, it confirmed my position, the image also spoke to me, likewise the sequence, so far so good

The first line of 54 was very encouraging and spoke to me directly urging me onward, the rest of the changing lines were also at least partially understood with my intuition and gave further encouragements.

but line 6 made me stop, it reads:

The partners should bring full, living offerings for their marriage, here there is nothing but dead empty forms, neither partner is committed, both withhold what they have, with such a lack of belief or trust, there is no relationship, nothing to sustain the connection, and nowhere for it to go.

This is the last line, Harriet refers in her book to the notion that the first line of a hexagram may refer to events yet unfolding, and that later lines may refer to more distant events, I don't know, the preceding lines hold no terrors for me, but this last line seems pessimistic, does it to you?


All aspects of hexagram 57 got an intuitive nod, the observations made sense, confirmed my position and what I should do to effect change.

Thoughts on line 6 welcome.

Richard
 

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Who is Harriet ? Do you mean Hilary ? I must say I think 'Harriet' suits her very well

Also people don't need to use a huge intellect to understand their answers and it need not be a complicated thing, it can be very simple. Answers can often be understood first by 'gut instunct'. Remember oracles can be found everywhere. Mankind used oracles before reading and writing were commonly used. Oracles might be seen in the behaviour of a bird or the shape of a cloud....or patterns of lines on the ground and hexagrams are only patterns of lines, trigrams depicting natural elements in nature...but mankind would always have been looking at nature to divine omens and so on.

This was my question: My own inner darkness is preventing me from changing, what should I do?

I got hexagram 54 changing to 57 with changing lines at 1,2,3,4 & 6

With all those lines and lines 1 and 6 changing I really feel the thrust of your answer is in 57....and I also feel you may have become too subservient, too adhering to certain paths/forms/ritual that you actually don't need. My sense of the 57 here is that you relax and allow yourself to find where you feel you belong (yang pattern 14, yin pattern 8). You have made a statement that your inner darkness prevents you from changing ? What does that actually mean and are you sure it's true anyway ?

This is a somber heavy question that I don't fully grasp (since I'm not you)....but I wonder if you might make more progress with the I Ching at the moment if you asked different kinds of questions, more open questions, lighter questions...?

You see you have made the I Ching sound terribly heavy and difficult when it isn't and I'm wondering if you are also doing that in regards to the question.
 

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It is a somber heavy question, a question of life and death, if I do not change I am in danger of killing myself, literaly, principaly I smoke and at 63 with one stress related heart attack behind me I am mad to smoke.

Be still and know yourself, I have been still, and very active at the same time, I have a penetrating insight into my own unconscious mind and I know my "Self". I have unconscious feelings of guilt which are very destructive, I want to change to save my life but my dark unconscious feelings hold me back, I am about to embark on a course of psychotherapy that may help me.

I take what you say about all the changing lines pointing towards 57 I will look into it closely, but what about line 6?

Richard.
 

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Richard please tell me when you wrote of 'Harriet' did you in fact mean Hilary Barrett the owner of this site ?

54.6 ? Paying homage to empty forms I think
 

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...and if it's smoking I think the first thing to do is to undermine it's power, pay less homage to it's causes and so on since the hardest part of stopping is the physical addiction.

Stopping can be a lot more simple than people might think because one has been enslaved to these things for so long...but actually it does all boil down to 'stop putting them in your mouth and lighting them'.. That simple sentence helped me and I quit I ditched all the complicated 'methods' of stopping and just stopped gradually which worked for me...from 20 to 10 to 5 to 2 to none...but no method would have worked if I hadn't fully realised to continue was self harm. Although I knew it was intellectually I hadn't fully absorbed the idea. Anyway everyone is different and there certainly is a psychological component to refusing to self harm of course...but my impression from the reading is perhaps you don't need to pay quite so much homage to the psychological aspects ?

Just a thought ...there's lots more to see in the answer I'm sure so perhaps others will chime in
 

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...and if it's smoking I think the first thing to do is to undermine it's power, pay less homage to it's causes and so on since the hardest part of stopping is the physical addiction.

Stopping can be a lot more simple than people might think because one has been enslaved to these things for so long...but actually it does all boil down to 'stop putting them in your mouth and lighting them'.. That simple sentence helped me and I quit I ditched all the complicated 'methods' of stopping and just stopped gradually which worked for me...from 20 to 10 to 5 to 2 to none...but no method would have worked if I hadn't fully realised to continue was self harm. Although I knew it was intellectually I hadn't fully absorbed the idea. Anyway everyone is different and there certainly is a psychological component to refusing to self harm of course...but my impression from the reading is perhaps you don't need to pay quite so much homage to the psychological aspects ?

Just a thought ...there's lots more to see in the answer I'm sure so perhaps others will chime in

...but no method would have worked if I hadn't fully realised to continue was self harm. Although I knew it was intellectually I hadn't fully absorbed the idea.

I may be still absorbing the idea :)
 

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Here's a thought. Think of any people in the course of your life who may have tried to hurt you. Well if you hurt yourself you've played into their hands.

Not happening anymore.

From now on you are going to be on your own side, rooting for you, just as you would for someone you loved. If you are on your own side, rooting for you, wounding yourself will begin to look less and less a viable action.

It can start simply by looking in the mirror each morning and saying "I'm on your side mate, I'm looking out for you, I want what's best for you".

I expect there are more sophisticated psychological ruses...but I think this one is pretty powerful. :D
 

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Here's a thought. Think of any people in the course of your life who may have tried to hurt you. Well if you hurt yourself you've played into their hands.

Not happening anymore.

From now on you are going to be on your own side, rooting for you, just as you would for someone you loved. If you are on your own side, rooting for you, wounding yourself will begin to look less and less a viable action.

It can start simply by looking in the mirror each morning and saying "I'm on your side mate, I'm looking out for you, I want what's best for you".

I expect there are more sophisticated psychological ruses...but I think this one is pretty powerful. :D

Something like this is happening already, thank you.
 

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Wow, Trogina, really powerful.
It seemed you were channeling the first hexagam of the I Ching. Interesting Richard wrote the word Create several times (3?) in his original posting as if sending out the signal of The Creative and then you appear, The Receptive responder:

[I'm taking quotes from what you said above and framing them as a reading from the I Ching. If you prefer I did not do this let me know and I'll delete this post.]

1. The Creative

Judgement:
"Here's a thought."
Image:
"If you hurt yourself you've played into their hands."

1.1 "Many people in the course of your life may have tried to hurt you, not happening anymore."
1.2 "Look in the mirror each day and say 'I'm looking out for you' "
 
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Wow, Trogina, really powerful. It seemed you were channeling the first hexagam of the I Ching. Interesting Richard wrote the word Create several times (3?) in his original posting. As if summoning up the image of The Creative and you were The Receptive responder:
[I'm taking quotes from what you said and framing them as hexagram 1. The Creative]

Judgement:
"Here's a thought."
Image:
"If you've hurt yourself it's you've played into their hands."

1.1 "Many people in the course of your life may have tried to hurt you.
"Not happening anymore."
1.2 "Look in the mirror each day and say 'I'm looking out for you' "

I am heaven the creative
 

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Rosada, whilst I have you here....it's impossible to PM you because your box is always full. As a moderator you have access to CC and 200 message capacity and I wonder if you do actually have that message capacity or whether it's been accidentally left off. I mean your message box is always full and 200 is generally enough for it not to be. I don't need to message you right now but I have recently and couldn't.

Apologies eden, there's no other way to tell her this
 

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