Old ghosts

[editorneal]

Like most people I have regrets. Most are manageable little ghosts. One is a full-fledged haunt that lives in my soul. It can manifest itself with a word for word, action by action, cinematically precise replay of the trauma. Although these unspoolings occur in my subconscious, it is neither dream nor nightmare. It is a transportation through dimensions to the event. I am powerless to intervene or change the movie, only to watch in horror from a first-person viewpoint. I asked Yi how I might lay this haunting to rest. I received 20.3.5.6 to 15. Any second or more opinions on the reading welcome. Thank you.

 

[Trojina]

I get the impression the reading might be suggesting you imaginatively expplore this from another person's perspective, a person who was also there at the time.

It's a very direct answer with 20 there advising that you step back to look at this event or traumatic time, or whatever it was. Looking at the lines

line 3

'Seeing my own life.
Advancing, withdrawing.'

Well in a sense that's what's happening, you're getting action replays that keep taking you back. There's no judgment here that this is wrong though it may not be comfortable.

Then even more apt in the next 2 lines

Line 5

'Seeing my own life.
The noble one is without mistake.'

This is kind of saying here that if you see your life you haven't made a mistake. Perhaps the fact you see undoes the haunting - you've seen what happened, what you did or didn't do and Yi seems to be encouraging the viewing.

Line 6

'Seeing their lives.
The noble one is without mistake.'

I really like this line, it's so often useful advice because it says look at what other do or have done. You've got potentially a really good view from the top here, you can see how lives interact, how they impact on each other and often things that happen aren't all down to one person, they come through a line of people both in time and in space.

That line and the fact you have 15 as relating hexagram does suggest you start to explore or think about how whatever it was wasn't a 100% your act so to speak. In 15 we are asked to view things very simply as they are, neither exalting ourselves nor demeaning ourselves but simply as we are and as the situation is. 15 calls for balance and also an awareness it isn't all about you. It's a good time to remember and take comfort from the fact that in fact it isn't all resting on you.

This answer is very favorable to you given several times you are being reminded of being the 'noble one' there isn't blame anywhere in the reading, it just seems a very kind answer to me which is like Yi saying 'You've seen this and it's good you've seen it but while it's good you have seen it be aware many other people, other factors made the situation you speak of'.

Perhaps imaginatively or even factually exploring the perspective of others in this event might help you to feel less of a 'key player' in this - yes you are a player but not the only one - there would be people before you, other people influencing things. It's always important to remember that in self-evaluation, not to duck out of taking responsibility but 15 emphasizes being aware there's other actors here too.

You wrote

only to watch in horror from a first-person viewpoint.

.....and astonishingly Yi is precisely addressing your viewing point and saying also try looking at it from 'their' viewpoint, zoom out of your own perspective also.

Change patterns here are 53/54 a tension in the question between following a route process or procedure like a marriage and being married off. Hilary has said 53 is marriage from the man's view in ancient China, and 54 the woman's. She experiences this as way more out her control than he does. That's a sort of background theme the question rests on.

 

[editorneal]

I get the impression the reading might be suggesting you imaginatively expplore this from another person's perspective, a person who was also there at the time.

It's a very direct answer with 20 there advising that you step back to look at this event or traumatic time, or whatever it was. Looking at the lines

line 3

'Seeing my own life.
Advancing, withdrawing.'

Well in a sense that's what's happening, you're getting action replays that keep taking you back. There's no judgment here that this is wrong though it may not be comfortable.

Then even more apt in the next 2 lines

Line 5

'Seeing my own life.
The noble one is without mistake.'

This is kind of saying here that if you see your life you haven't made a mistake. Perhaps the fact you see undoes the haunting - you've seen what happened, what you did or didn't do and Yi seems to be encouraging the viewing.

Line 6

'Seeing their lives.
The noble one is without mistake.'

I really like this line, it's so often useful advice because it says look at what other do or have done. You've got potentially a really good view from the top here, you can see how lives interact, how they impact on each other and often things that happen aren't all down to one person, they come through a line of people both in time and in space.

That line and the fact you have 15 as relating hexagram does suggest you start to explore or think about how whatever it was wasn't a 100% your act so to speak. In 15 we are asked to view things very simply as they are, neither exalting ourselves nor demeaning ourselves but simply as we are and as the situation is. 15 calls for balance and also an awareness it isn't all about you. It's a good time to remember and take comfort from the fact that in fact it isn't all resting on you.

This answer is very favorable to you given several times you are being reminded of being the 'noble one' there isn't blame anywhere in the reading, it just seems a very kind answer to me which is like Yi saying 'You've seen this and it's good you've seen it but while it's good you have seen it be aware many other people, other factors made the situation you speak of'.

Perhaps imaginatively or even factually exploring the perspective of others in this event might help you to feel less of a 'key player' in this - yes you are a player but not the only one - there would be people before you, other people influencing things. It's always important to remember that in self-evaluation, not to duck out of taking responsibility but 15 emphasizes being aware there's other actors here too.

Thank you, Trojina! That is an insightful and sensitive reply/interpretation. While I’m well aware of the other who suffered here, I’ve been preoccupied with assigning blame to myself. I will step back and observe more carefully and perhaps be grateful for my nagging memory. Ghosts can be good companions when the living let you down. Again, thank you.

 

[editorneal]

This is a follow up to my post on Nov. 20. Trojina recommended I examine the reading from the other person’s viewpoint. Although I have my idea about how this person was affected, I turned to Yi and asked, “How was X affected by Y”? I received 14.1.2 to 56 in reply. I’m still not practiced enough to interpret these readings without subjective thoughts colouring the outcome. At the risk of being pesky, could I get a read on this? I even worry that asking Yi about what someone else’s feelings are is self defeating. Thank you for all you do here.

 

[Liselle]

Do you mind if I merge the threads?

 

[Trojina]

It would be okay, for continuity, to post your follow up question on the original thread. Often people post a number of question in one thread if they are related. I mean it's down to your preference, just saying you could have done that. Or, having just seen Liselle's post you might want it merged.

Here is the original thread for future readers

Old ghosts

Like most people I have regrets. Most are manageable little ghosts. One is a full-fledged haunt that lives in my soul. It can manifest itself with a word for word, action by action, cinematically precise replay of the trauma. Although these unspoolings occur in my subconscious, it is neither...

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Trojina recommended I examine the reading from the other person’s viewpoint.

I didn't say to examine the reading from other's viewpoint, I said the reading suggested to me you look at the past situation from their viewpoint. That 20 reading was asking you to step back to look.

I think it is problematic trying to get at others feelings through readings and especially for a third party to comment on the feelings of someone they have never met. It would seem presumptuous for me to claim to know. That's not to say you shouldn't ask but I have reservations about telling you what i think they think. Also often Yi is more direct and goes straight to what you need to know which might be the case here

It's interesting that line 1 speaks of 'no harm'

'No interaction with what is harmful,
In no way at fault,
So that hardship is not a mistake.'


Line 2

'A great chariot to carry loads.
With a direction to go, no mistake.'


Your question was

“How was X affected by Y”?

14, wealth, having, possession, blessing, gift. 56, travelling, temporary.

As a sentence it might say 'Wealth's Traveller' there does look to be a strong them of moving on, travelling on here with line 2 and also 56.

Taken as a direct answer then one might say X utilized hardships incurred by Y perhaps in order to move on or make a significant change. Line one says if there is no contact with harm then hardship isn't a mistake. In a difficult situation where one has means line 1 counsels though you have resources or power to offer to remedy something do no harm and do not let it harm you.. There can be a difficult situation one is engaged with but it doesn't help to become infected by that situation - in trying to help someone for example by lending, offering money or support, getting them out of trouble, line 1 advises not to either get caught up in what is harmful about the situation nor bring harm to the situation in trying to remedy it.

I get the impression of being given or giving some injection of cash or support that enable movement. This doesn't especially answer your question. I don't really know if this answer is counselling you or telling you about how X was affected. I'd think if it was how X was affected they used what they could from the situation and moved forward into another way of life/location.

I think you have to think about those words in line 1 'in no way at fault'....and it stresses there can be hardship and the attempt at remedying hardship without getting caught up in it all. Maybe you thought there was more you could have done?

 

[editorneal]

Thank you.

 

[Liselle]

Is it okay if I merge the threads, or would you rather I didn't?

If you don't want them merged, I'll go and put a link to this thread at the bottom of the other thread. (Trojina already kindly put a link to that one here.) The two are connected substantively, so it's important for people to see where each either came from or went to.

Putting both readings in the same thread (or merging after the fact) is probably easier for most people, since then no one has to flip back and forth between two browser tabs or windows.

 

[Liselle]

About the readings - I'm very much not sure of this, but I wonder if 14.1 along with 20 and its lines might suggest you're being too hard on yourself about whatever this is?

You know the details and we don't, but 20 might suggest pulling back and seeing everything - your life, their lives, everyone's lives - from a distance and quite objectively.

I daresay everyone does things they do or should regret, and of course it's good to acknowledge yours. But when you consider that doing regrettable things is a universal human condition, maybe a way to lay the haunting to rest, as you put it in the other thread, is to realize that and put your own regrets in that context. From a wider perspective, maybe the things you regret aren't any worse than everyone else's regrettable things.

Does that make any sense? I don't think I'm explaining it well.