Omkring det som kan ske

[svenrus]

Normalt spørger man I Ching om råd. Og man ved ikke sådan lige hvad svaret bliver.

He, he. Jokin'.

What I'm trying to say is, that You ask the oracle a certain quistion. Ok. The oracle don't answer your quistion. Right ?

Let me give you an example: You are going for a certain destination and you are asking the I for advice concerning how to behave WHEN you arrive. OK. What you do NOT know is whether you arrive at all, you see. So, the I will tell You how to behave - because something will block your arrival - which You don't know.

You took it for granted that You would arrive, well. The I knew that You wouldn't.

Here You are - asking the I how to behave WHEN You arrive...

And You will get wondering about the answere from the I....


Thats just an example.

Going to a destination, thinking that the boat will arrive ? The I knows.

And it will maybe tell you what you expect...


Hey, man maybe I'm wrong here but I try to tell You - OK ?


Cheers, SKÅL

 

[svenrus]

Undskyld venner jeg er ikke helt ædru men jeg mener det ærligt.

additional remark [25 of june]:

--- Sorry friends I'm not quite sober but I mean it honest...

This point of view I have written in full on my homepage here:

http://svenrus.dk/ichingkonsultation.htm and I don't feel good enough in translating it but it's more detailed expressed incl. it's footnote (1a)

I dont know how much Google translater can help, but those of You understanding this language will see that it's not written for fun I mean No nonsense there....

 

[Trojina]

inangen mip donp has tynb abadidad nont vu por nonte did twerper

 

[Trojina]

Normalt spørger man I Ching om råd. Og man ved ikke sådan lige hvad svaret bliver.

He, he. Jokin'.

What I'm trying to say is, that You ask the oracle a certain quistion. Ok. The oracle don't answer your quistion. Right ?

Let me give you an example: You are going for a certain destination and you are asking the I for advice concerning how to behave WHEN you arrive. OK. What you do NOT know is whether you arrive at all, you see. So, the I will tell You how to behave - because something will block your arrival - which You don't know.

You took it for granted that You would arrive, well. The I knew that You wouldn't.

Here You are - asking the I how to behave WHEN You arrive...

And You will get wondering about the answere from the I....


Thats just an example.

Going to a destination, thinking that the boat will arrive ? The I knows.

And it will maybe tell you what you expect...


Hey, man maybe I'm wrong here but I try to tell You - OK ?


Cheers, SKÅL

You are right of course. If I ask "how will I get on in the office tomorrow ?" but the office is closed tomorrow my answer will likely show me it's closed rather than what it would be like if it were open. If it won't be open then the answer can't be about that. The answer may come in many ways...like it might suggest return from the idea...or whatever the office being closed means for that person.

In that respect of course Yi does not answer every single question in exactly the terms the question is put. Learning to distinguish for oneself when that is happening, when there's a sidestep or even a leapfrog of the question is something everyone develops in their own time and way. There has to be flexibility in receiving the answer since if someone insists the answer can only be about "what will happen in the office tomorrow" they won't understand their answer really. It's easier to see that kind of thing in hindsight sometimes but I think most people do develop a sense of when their question has been answered from another level than they put the question.

I've noticed often Yi answers a stance, a motive or emotion that underpins the question.

 

[svenrus]

With thanks for your reply. I would have posted this for a long time but didn't knew how to translate it into english in the right way (my native language danish) and yesterday I dared do it; not sober - being to an Inn - but what more is: that one really have to believe/have faith in the answer given by the oracle. Having doubt in this will dim the answer.
I have had answers from the I that I didn't understood at the moment needed and month, even years later saw that the answeres sometimes were one step ahead but still responding to my doubt or anxiety.
That faith I think can be the hardest to obtain for a western.
(Sorry for my opening of this thread in danish ! )

 

[svenrus]

Undskyld venner jeg er ikke helt ædru men jeg mener det ærligt.

[#2]

Means: Sorry friends I'm not sober but I mean it honestly.

[#1]
Omkring det som kan ske
Means: Concerning that which can happen.

Normalt spørger man I Ching om råd. Og man ved ikke sådan lige hvad svaret bliver.
Means: Normally one ask I Ching for advice not knowing for sure what the answer will be.

(My english is still on the novicelevel... )

 

[Trojina]

With thanks for your reply. I would have posted this for a long time but didn't knew how to translate it into english in the right way (my native language danish) and yesterday I dared do it; not sober - being to an Inn - but what more is: that one really have to believe/have faith in the answer given by the oracle. Having doubt in this will dim the answer.
I have had answers from the I that I didn't understood at the moment needed and month, even years later saw that the answeres sometimes were one step ahead but still responding to my doubt or anxiety.
That faith I think can be the hardest to obtain for a western.
(Sorry for my opening of this thread in danish ! )

I often want to pick up on that point underlined when others say it. Many times someone says 'this is hard for westerners', something like that. It seems to me a quite out of date idea to imagine that 'easterners' have less of all the ego stuff etc or more access to spirituality than 'westerners' have I even question the notion of 'westerners' and 'easterners'....it doesn't mean anything much anymore does it ? The 'east' , whatever comes under that umbrella term seems now to me at least as materialistic as 'the west' doesn't it ? I've noticed that when it comes to predictions of things such as stocks and shares via Yi for example, that seems to be an area 'westerners' aren't very interested in.

 

[Trojina]

[#2]

Means: Sorry friends I'm not sober but I mean it honestly.

[#1]
Omkring det som kan ske
Means: Concerning that which can happen.

Normalt spørger man I Ching om råd. Og man ved ikke sådan lige hvad svaret bliver.
Means: Normally one ask I Ching for advice not knowing for sure what the answer will be.

(My english is still on the novicelevel... )

I think your English is okay, I usually understand it..but I am concerned how often you tell us you are drunk on threads.

 

[svenrus]

You are right there; easternes and westerners are out off date in the light that I just used it. Still, to example the bible is much closer to me than the I Ching.... Or for that matter the danish/norse tradition. Just to have faith in many of the sayings in the I seems to me harder than to have faith in norse traditional "stuff".
And Yes. Drunk ! I felt a lot into what I tried to express in this thread yesterday and I still mean, sober now, that the mainmatter in it has relevance in this forum. I have felt it too stupid to express this subject [#4] beforehand when not being stronger into this language... So actually the wine helped me skip this complex of mine.

 

[Trojina]

Drunk ! I felt a lot into what I tried to express in this thread yesterday and I still mean, sober now, that the mainmatter in it has relevance in this forum. I have felt it too stupid to express this subject [#4] beforehand when not being stronger into this language...

when since did Vikings ever feel stupid ?

 

[svenrus]

:hugs:

 

[heylise]

I never enjoyed the first one, awakening in young yang after an amount of wine which was enough to make me brave. The other three, yes, they work all the time.

 

[svenrus]

When I was young I hated mondays. Today, being old, I love them. But that's off course being living in a christian culture with sondays off.

 

[svenrus]

Concerning #1 in this thread:

This point of view I have written in full on my homepage here:

http://svenrus.dk/ichingkonsultation.htm and I don't feel good enough in translating it but it's more detailed expressed incl. it's footnote (1a)

I dont know how much Google translator can help, but those of You understanding this language will see that it's not written for fun I mean No nonsense there....

.... Just tried Google translator on it and even I can see that it's more frustrating than if one didn't understood it at all.