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[fkegan]

False

The yarrow and the coins has the same probabilities. Because both the yarrow and the coins use 3 subset of dual chances to achieve the final number (6-7-8 or 9)

Coin: you have 3 subsets of 2 options (each coin is a subset; each coin has only 2 options: tail or head)

Yarrow: you have 3 subsets of 2 options (each division is a subset; each division has only 2 posible results: 5 or 9 in the first division, 4 or 8 in the second and 4 or 8 oin the third)

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Hi Jessed,

I don't believe probabilities are relevant in divination; HOWEVER, for those who do, the Yarrow do have four possibilities that are reduced to two. The process is about breaking the bundle and checking if it is evenly divisible by 4. That gives 4 alternatives with 1 being a multiple of 4 in each half, the other 3 being remainder 1,2, or 3 all of which are taken as Not even--but the raw probabilities are 4 options not just 2 that are then gathered up into two.

It is like gambling at a slot machine. You will either win or lose with each play but the probability is not 50/50 since the odds are set by the house at somewhat less than that.
More than that you will have to argue with those who believe in such primitive math concepts, but there is agreement in that community that there is a clear probability difference between yarrow and coins.

Since the determination of line values in an oracle is based upon three sets of 3 and 2; whatever the probabilities involved or the outcomes, they must be reduced to only 3 and 2 for each step to fit into the 3 steps yields 6 to 9 in the Oracle literature.

Note: Old Yin is 6 and Old Yang is 9 and three coins that land either heads or tails will always add to only
6,7,8, or 9

Frank

 

[bradford]

False

The yarrow and the coins has the same probabilities. Because both the yarrow and the coins use 3 subset of dual chances to achieve the final number (6-7-8 or 9)

No, Jesed, you are wrong here. The probability problem has been common knowledge since the first study of it was published in Scientific American in 1974.

 

[answeredquestions]

I suppose all I know is what it means to me... I feel deep within my bones, that there is a difference in probability and it is their for a reason.This however is not to say that someone using coins is wrong. The greater probability of someone getting a 1>2 in coins is their for a reason. And that reason is there for the people who use it.
I believe it to be their "destiny" and all part of the bigger picture of divination.

Someone using coins, (with "coin probability") is tapping into a universal insight just the same.

I do believe it changes the answer to use yarrow vs. coins.(and without this sounding religious or odd because sometimes I like to personify things to achieve a connection) the universe knows this difference and still gives the answer that is destined. But it is not a bad thing.

I like yarrows because I think it lessons the possibility of getting an Old line. And that is what I want. Because TO ME, I feel it should be harder to achieve.

Make sense? (I think I need some food, so I might be a little ramblie)

 

[meng]

AQ,

Trust your bones. Support them with all the reason and guts you care to muster; they'll all go where your bones go.

All possibilities exist at once. We just find ways to dig tunnels into our sandcastles to fulfill our story. Then the wind and ocean sweep it away again.

However one wishes to interpret, it's always comes down to bones. To what's left after the transient elements have finished with it.

Silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. ~ 1 Cor/h23.6

 

[answeredquestions]

From V for Vendetta: "I shall die here. Every last inch of me shall perish. Except one. An inch. It's small and it's fragile and it's the only thing in the world worth having. We must never lose it, or sell it, or give it away...."
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Hi Meng.
I like the idea of things being purified by elements.

There is something to be said about a sandcastle and it's inevidable future. Wind or water will take it away and strip it down, until there is only a creative idea or memory left. With the sand as the vehicle for only a moment, to later be accidental eaten by a seaturtle. Then the turtle poops it out and it washes up on the shore, to be a vehicle once more. As the poop desolves the sand flies free and gets in someones eye, so they can't see. But they happen to be able to hear really good.

The creative process is the important part and what so often is what links us in synchronicities. It is just as important to make the sand castle, as to see it crumble and dissapear. Just like the sand mandala's of tibetan monks.

I once asked the I Ching (one of the first questions I ever asked) : What is my purpose in this life? How can I have the best possible outcome in life?
answer: Dispersion (Hexagram 59 - wind over water)


I used to be on another forum a while ago and someone had the same name as you Meng. (TDN?) No! it was Ming. Sorry