Potential as a couple, 63 UC

[Juliah]

This thread is about X and Y I asked about previously.

I have always had difficulties with undestanding the unchanging hexagrams, especially the hexes 63 and 64. Your insights, friends, would be very handy.

How much are X and Y compatible with each other? (I meant their potential as a couple.)

63 UC


Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts.

 

[altair139]

63 describes a state of climax. The relationship is at its peak, and by nature it will go down, nothing can sustain forever.
Unless two of them are already married, then it predicts a stable marriage for now.

 

[Juliah]

They are not married.

63 describes a state of climax.The relationship is at its peak, and by nature it will go down, nothing can sustain forever.

Well-balanced harmony at the moment, gradually diminishing?

Unfortunately, the idea of compatibility expressed by 63 is not clear to me yet.

 

[Tohpol]

In my own experience I haven't found 63uc to necessarily mean an inevitable diminishing of a state or situation, insofar as everything must die and be born again. Only that things are stable and harmonious and a creative tension exists either for a year or 25. This doesn't mean that such a cycle reverts to an unstable situation which marks the end - a dissolution that causes separation - although it can. I guess, like any coming together, it depends on the creative possibilities inherent in the dynamic. Will the exchange - if truly present - increase creativity or usher in entropy?

That means 63 offers an image of stability which has been hard won and which can change toward a higher (creative) or lower (entropic) state where joint awareness determines the trajectory. If consciousness/awareness between two folks begins to go out of phase then this is an indication of dissonance or friction demanding new growth. In other words, this tension needs to go up a notch where that joint creativity must be discovered anew at a higher turn of the spiral - from 64 back to 63 once more, rather like a sin wave.

I think the "Completion" and "After completion" pairing is fundamental not only in relationships and nature but sometimes beyond our linear conceptions. This is what makes it so intriguing.

So, that's a very long-winded way of saying as a potential couple the indicators could be good.

 

[Juliah]

Thanks a lot Topal. The outlines of 63 have become much more apparent.

 

[altair139]

Compatibility changes with time, just as human's nature. Our desire constantly changes as we grow older, even in our 30s-40s. They might be compatible now but maybe a few years from now they will desire different thing and conflict will arise. A couple that can last is a couple that can stand with each other no matter how we change, compatibility doesn't make much of a difference. That's why 63 predicts a change in the future as "What is true today might not be true tomorrow" as "The cycle is completed and a new cycle will come shortly" and "There's good fortune at the beginning but disorder at the end"

 

[Lavalamp]

Juliah, you need to scale the answer to the scale of the question. You asked about compatibility. 63 UC says compatibility is already there - this has been my personal experience with 63 as well. It does not "predict" growing apart as you get older and eventually breaking up. You did not ask what the future would be after all, and even if you had those kind of predictions tend to be conditional, *if* you act this way things will not work, *if* you act this way things will work well - conditional. Misfortune if you take your relationship for granted for example, that kind of thing. But that was not your question.

You can also look at horoscopes or Asian astrology to check compatibility as well.

- LL

 

[Juliah]

Unfortunately, I do not consider Internet horoscopes as a reliable source not least because most of them are commercially aimed and "just for fun". Human cooperation is much more profound that any horoscopes presuppose.

Asking the question I tried to understand how much comforable X and Y feel if they are a couple. I mean the level of mutual understanding, physical compatibility - the general things.

 

[Lavalamp]

Juliah, those are things that astrology whether Eastern or Western is pretty good at indicating. For a serious look, you need a birth date, time and location for good western style Natal horoscopes, and a specialist to compare them. In India it is a typical consideration when matching a couple. It is not that committed people that are very different cannot make it work, but why make it harder than it has to be? That is the idea. Indian and Chinese and Western astrology are all very differently drawn disciplines, but are at least as useful, I think, as trying to figure such things out by methods like tossing a couple coins or cracking open a tortoise shell.

But the reading does say basic compatibility is there. It does not indicate it would take a tremendous amount of effort.

- LL

 

[ginnie]

Looking at the trigrams of hex 63, we see water on top and fire on the bottom. It is as if a pot of water is sitting atop a fire. To keep the water warm or boiling is the objective. And so you tend the fire beneath and you add more water to the top, as needed. Keep the pot on the boil. This is a settled state of great equilibrium, as long as the situation is tended to properly.

 

[altair139]

I don't think the hexagram actually says anything about compatibility, not the image, judgment or even the name is related to it. In fact, the upper triagram is water, the lower triagram is fire, two elements that can extinguish one another if there's no balance. The two elements are not compatible, yet can still coexist, all due to the harmony of nature. The true meaning of this hexagram is most of the times about balance, harmony (Once you go up, must go down).

I consulted my teacher in Iching regarding hexagram 63 and 64 yesterday, he said "Even though 63UC in a relationship query usually has a bad end, due to couples cannot keep up the harmony because of life problems, there are exceptions. After all, willpower is a big big factor and can thrive over any dire situation. Nothing in Iching is absolute in dealing with human affair is because willpower is too much of an error to account for, depending on how much willpower a person has in him."

 

[Lavalamp]

Well like I said, I think you have to scale the answer to the scale of the question. You ask a casual question like "how compatible are x and Y" and you get the image of boiling - things getting steamy between the two. You don't have to work to achieve this balance, it is already there. Now maybe this indicates people who are every different, maybe it means opposites attract but maybe not, maybe it only means they do not have power issues with each other and things are hot and heavy between them.

Your teacher has his experiences to draw on presumably. But at some point all relationships require tending to and you cannot take the other for granted, or things fall apart. I don't think that is exclusive to hex 63 that a relationship takes maintenance, I think that is pretty much the case most of the time.

- LL

 

[altair139]

Well like I said, I think you have to scale the answer to the scale of the question. You ask a casual question like "how compatible are x and Y" and you get the image of boiling - things getting steamy between the two. You don't have to work to achieve this balance, it is already there. Now maybe this indicates people who are every different, maybe it means opposites attract but maybe not, maybe it only means they do not have power issues with each other and things are hot and heavy between them.

It's not that simple since boiling isn't a stable process even in chemistry. You have to sustain the heat to keep the temperature in check or else all the water will vaporize quickly. Thus the image should be "sustainability", "balance". Thus I wouldn't count on "Steamy" since for me boiling is a violent endothermic procedure that needs constant attention. When the heat is too much, you either add water or lower the temperature and vice versa. Same with relationship issue.
Hex 63 is also usually used to describes a state of climax due to this analogy of the image - the water at boiling point. It can vaporize or overflow to extinguish the fire.

 

[Lavalamp]

My thinking is in 63 "already across" a balance is there already. In 64 "not yet across" you do not have this balance, you are still processing and differentiating towards "everything finding it's place." In 63 things have already found that place, the elements are already there. I would not underrate a balance of energies, it indicates both people's needs are being served, and modesty 15 is all about balance...

Are x and y compatible? sounds like a rather casual question, so I would look for a casual answer, an image. Comes off to me as "well they are certainly hot and heavy, aren't they?"
For more in depth analysis you need to ask more diagnostic questions, I tend to think.

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

The answer sounds like it saying, "What do you mean are x and y compatible? They are already pretty deeply involved with each other!" or something like that. So then, if you want to inquire about whether a marriage would be sustainable, or the timing is good, of what else you need to know about the person, etc. - you need to ask more, maybe better questions. I suspect the querent is asking about someone she is already enmeshed with, there is heat happening I think, given this answer... I could be wrong of course. <g>

- LL

 

[Juliah]

Hex 63 is also usually used to describes a state of climax due to this analogy of the image - the water at boiling point. It can vaporize or overflow to extinguish the fire.

Hex 63 is Already Fording and Already Completed at the same time. If Fording - what is in process? If Completed - what is completed? I am afraid, its subtle meaning is inaccessible to me.

I experienced 63 (with changing lines) indicating that the process has ceased.

 

[Tohpol]

I once got this hexagram to describe the macrocosmic process of the soul's journey after death. Completion yes, but so many more "levels" to experience. This is true of relationships too of course.

So, 63: "after completion" is a cycle that's finished and the hunt is on for new growth; where the boiling point /diffusion; union/disunion have reached a creative tension so that a fording process will come sooner or later. And that process is crucial to the result i.e. the moment when things change and transform into another cycle back to 64.

That's why some folks say the process/journey is more important than the final destination since the destination IS the process and vice versa. It's kinda like the Mobius strip or the sign of infinity. There appears to be an ending and a beginning but they are illusions; they are only fractal stages toward refinement or dissolution, always present and always triggered through the daily choices we make, which in turn are based around the accumulation of awareness - how well we are seeing life as it truly is. How "pure" those choices are will determine the quality of the action. A rich process indeed when one is in a couple each of whom resonate on at least a few mutual centres of gravity.

I suppose that life's always in a state of flux which is why it's so crucial to BE in that moment and enjoy what is offered, however long that may be. I'd say that the 63/64 pairing very much represents that process and encases all the hexagrams within it.

Don't know if that's helped at all but it's fun to shake hands with these hexagrams even if it sometimes feels like shaking hands with fire or water!

 

[Trojina]

Not read the whole thread but I think it may simply mean here that what you see is what you get. This has already become all it can become, it won't become more than it is now. I also think that as you asking about someone else's relationship you may not be getting a direct answer anyway.

 

[MoonCatcher]

speaking from experience - I received this reading at the beginning of the year when I asked "will x and I fall more in love this year". The result so far has been - our relationship has reached a point of stability which I'm now finding difficult to sustain due my erratic nature and need for excitement. So it's good and bad.