Professors Submitting Grades Late

[Fanofenka]

One professor submitted grades within 48 hours of the final. The second professor submitted grades within 48 hours of the online final deadline. The third professor submitted grades hours before the online submission deadline. The fourth professor submitted grades on paper on the last day of paper submissions. I asked the question, "Why did my professors submitted grades near the deadline?" My answer is 17.2.5 to 54. Hex 17 meant that the latter two professors have their own priorities as the semester ended days before Christmas, but they know the deadlines. Hex 54 meant that the grades were created hastily to make it by the deadlines.

 

[Liselle]

17.5 might say that at least one professor took more time because he or she wanted to do a good job of grading.

"True and confident in excellence. Good fortune."

 

[Fanofenka]

Liselle, the fourth professor who submitted the grade the latest gave me a B+ even though the grade on Blackboard was a B.

 

[Freedda]

What the Yi is suggesting is that your job here is to be a student, and to 'Follow Without Resistance,' so you're learning and studies are the focus, not when the teachers did or did not turn in the grades. To do otherwise is just getting out ahead of yourself, perhaps settling for less. You need to sort out what is relevant and what is irrelevant. Is 'when' the teachers submit grades more or less important than the effort you make towards getting the grades?

 

[Trojina]

Yes I really can't understand why you ask this. For one thing you have no idea if you are right unless you ask the professors so what is the use in guessing ? Why does it matter to you anyway

"Why did my professors submitted grades near the deadline?" My answer is 17.2.5 to 54. Hex 17 meant that the latter two professors have their own priorities as the semester ended days before Christmas, but they know the deadlines. Hex 54 meant that the grades were created hastily to make it by the deadlines.

How do you know it meant that ? Did you check with them to see if you were correct ? Maybe you did ? If you didn't then how can you say what it meant ?

 

[rosada]

Perhaps she asked the question because it was curious that all 4 of the professors filed the grades so close to the deadline.
Anyway I think it’s a useful question in that the answer gives us insight into the meanings of the hexagrams. I agree with Liselle. I see 17.2 as describing the teachers job as being more than just babysitting - and thus the desire to not just breeze through the task. There is the desire to raise the students awareness to be a grown up and 17.5 sounds like them therefor doing a very conscientious job of evaluating the work.
54 in this case seems to point to Following Procedure so although a person might have wondered if there were some hidden influence here, it appears as long as the grades were filed by the deadline one should assume all was just business as usual.

 

[Trojina]

Perhaps she asked the question because it was curious that all 4 of the professors filed the grades so close to the deadline.
Anyway I think it’s a useful question in that the answer gives us insight into the meanings of the hexagrams

How can it give insight into the meaning when she has no way of finding out if she's right ? As far as I am concerned it is more likely to be about her herself. So if she doesn't know the meaning because she hasn't asked these professors she is guessing, the reading isn't a fact and therefore how does it give her or us any insight ?

Surely if you ask why other people do things you have no way of confirming if your guess is right. Common sense would likely serve just as well as casting I Ching if it's a guessing game.

I agree with Liselle. I see 17.2 as describing the teachers job as being more than just babysitting - and thus the desire to not just breeze through the task. There is the desire to raise the students awareness to be a grown up and 17.5 sounds like them therefor doing a very conscientious job of evaluating the work.
54 in this case seems to point to Following Procedure so although a person might have wondered if there were some hidden influence here, it appears as long as the grades were filed by the deadline one should assume all was just business as usual.

Well you'll never know if that's true or not will you unless you ask them.

Anyway enjoy the guessing.

 

[my_key]

I asked the question, "Why did my professors submitted grades near the deadline?" My answer is 17.2.5 to 54

Hex 17: The IRP reflects this by turning to his own fertile inner darkness, allowing the old to dissolve so he can follow the new (Karcher)

line 2 - You have picked the wrong influence to follow and it is not helpful to you
line 5 - what has happened is 'right' and if you can connect with this new world view things will be advantageous for you.

Hex 54: All in a context of if you pick the old nag rather than the thoroughbred you have small chance of winning the race.

Alternatively the professors submitted the grades because that was when they submitted them (17). They got caught up by other stuff (2), but they knew when the deadline was and did their very best to complete the task on time (5), even though some of the things going on around them were out of their control they brought home the bacon (54).

Sometimes the Yi gives an answer of what will help you most in relation to the overall picture around the question you have asked. I believe this to be one of those instances.

Good Luck

 

[Liselle]

crossed some posts


Some of the professors might indeed have had other priorities, but I think that might be hexagram 54. 54 is about the "Marrying Maiden," who in China was the younger sister who went along to court with the bride. She wasn't the bride, she wasn't the important one, so it might be said she wasn't anyone's priority. But another way to look at it is someone who doesn't have much control or influence (the Marrying Maiden did not), so instead of saying, "the professors had other priorities" we could just as easily say, "they were delayed by events out of their control." Those are very different in real life. It might be a pretty good exercise to read a lot about the hexagrams and lines and make a list of all the different ways it could describe professors submitting grades. Another one - 17.2 could be very literal if one of them actually has a small child.

But as Trojina said you can't know for sure without asking, which might be rather impertinent...

Also you asked about more than one professor with one question. So you might have to look at your reading very generally, maybe what could have been common to all of them, instead of whatever specific reasons each of them had. Or, there are two moving lines, maybe each line is about a different professor.

Good learning exercises might be things where you know you'll find out the answer. E.g. with school you could ask, "How will math class go for me today?" which is a nice finite period of time after which you can compare the reading to what happened in class. Or if you're reading a book or watching a TV series, you could ask what the next chapter/episode has in store for a character, and then compare the reading to what happens.

 

[rosada]

I hope people don't feel I'm hijacking the thread if I respond to Trojina's question about whether one can gain insight into the meaning of a line if there is no way of knowing if one's interpretation is correct. Certainly it would be nice if there were always some sort of divine response like an "Ah-ha!" feeling that would signal when we've understood the message precisely - and in fact I know of one author (can't remember her name) who proposed following up questionable interpretations with another coin toss to specifically ask if the first reading had been properly understood - but realistically there are going to be many times when we will not be able to check the veracity our interpretations and yet we are able to recognize meaning in the hexagrams. For example, one might ask, "Where is my coat?" and receive 25 and the line about a stranger walking off with the farmer's cow. Now one might read this as meaning the missing coat was stolen but we may never know for sure. Never the less, receiving this answer and applying it to the question could help one understand that "cow" doesn't necessarily always mean a literal cow but could also refer to possessions in general. So the seeker gets an insight into the line even if they can't check to be sure their interpretation is correct.
Meanwhile I find unverifiable answers are useful also because often times they at least give me a helpful way of looking at a situation. In the example above the coat may not have been stolen at all, yet this line could give the seeker a way of thinking about the situation so they don't obsess and keep looking for the coat. "You may never find the coat so you should consider it stolen". Anyway, when you're going to be getting an unverifiable answer maybe what you are really asking is "What should be my attitude?" or "What should I assume is true?" The unverifiable answer just may help you get through the night.

 

[Trojina]

I hope people don't feel I'm hijacking the thread if I respond to Trojina's question about whether one can gain insight into the meaning of a line if there is no way of knowing if one's interpretation is correct. Certainly it would be nice if there were always some sort of divine response like an "Ah-ha!" feeling that would signal when we've understood the message precisely - and in fact I know of one author (can't remember her name) who proposed following up questionable interpretations with another coin toss to specifically ask if the first reading had been properly understood - but realistically there are going to be many times when we will not be able to check the veracity our interpretations and yet we are able to recognize meaning in the hexagrams. For example, one might ask, "Where is my coat?" and receive 25 and the line about a stranger walking off with the farmer's cow. Now one might read this as meaning the missing coat was stolen but we may never know for sure. Never the less, receiving this answer and applying it to the question could help one understand that "cow" doesn't necessarily always mean a literal cow but could also refer to possessions in general. So the seeker gets an insight into the line even if they can't check to be sure their interpretation is correct.

If one is asking about one's own coat since one's coat is one's own business and interest then an answer might help though I'm not so sure Yi gets one much further than plain common sense in most instances - but you miss my point and I'm not sure I can explain further

Meanwhile I find unverifiable answers are useful also because often times they at least give me a helpful way of looking at a situation. In the example above the coat may not have been stolen at all, yet this line could give the seeker a way of thinking about the situation so they don't obsess and keep looking for the coat. "You may never find the coat so you should consider it stolen". Anyway, when you're going to be getting an unverifiable answer maybe what you are really asking is "What should be my attitude?" or "What should I assume is true?" The unverifiable answer just may help you get through the night.

It isn't just about being unverifiable - many questions are but they guide you on the next step the next action/orientation in your life.


Going back to the question

I asked the question, "Why did my professors submitted grades near the deadline?" My answer is 17.2.5 to 54. Hex 17 meant that the latter two professors have their own priorities as the semester ended days before Christmas, but they know the deadlines. Hex 54 meant that the grades were created hastily to make it by the deadlines

So it seems to me Fenofenka isn't just saying 'I think this means the grades were done hastily etc etc she is actually saying 'this is what it meant'. My question was how does she know that is what it meant if she hasn't had any kind of verification from the professors.



We look back on how things played out, what they meant for us in our realm of meaning, inner meaning. This question doesn't appear to have the querent in it at all. She is writing as if she actually has, for sure, a certain factual picture of why they did what they did. My point is she doesn't know.


Of course common sense alone could tell of a few options of why they did it that way.



I was agreeing with Freedda when he said

Freedda
What the Yi is suggesting is that your job here is to be a student, and to 'Follow Without Resistance,' so you're learning and studies are the focus, not when the teachers did or did not turn in the grades. To do otherwise is just getting out ahead of yourself, perhaps settling for less. You need to sort out what is relevant and what is irrelevant. Is 'when' the teachers submit grades more or less important than the effort you make towards getting the grades?

Mykey said

Sometimes the Yi gives an answer of what will help you most in relation to the overall picture around the question you have asked. I believe this to be one of those instances.

I think so. I think that is what Yi has most likely done here.



I think people can get well lost when they don't see the answer is for them to help them rather than speculate on what is in other's minds.


Sure we ask about what other's feel and such if they are close but I mean this is 4 different professors...….why...what for ? I will read it again

One professor submitted grades within 48 hours of the final. The second professor submitted grades within 48 hours of the online final deadline. The third professor submitted grades hours before the online submission deadline. The fourth professor submitted grades on paper on the last day of paper submissions. I asked the question, "Why did my professors submitted grades near the deadline?" My answer is 17.2.5 to 54. Hex 17 meant that the latter two professors have their own priorities as the semester ended days before Christmas, but they know the deadlines. Hex 54 meant that the grades were created hastily to make it by the deadlines.

How could it mean that 2 of the professors have their own priorities what about the other two, how are you differentiating between them...?



I'll leave you to it otherwise thread is hijacked.


hang on I just read this again

Never the less, receiving this answer and applying it to the question could help one understand that "cow" doesn't necessarily always mean a literal cow but could also refer to possessions in general.

Surely to goodness everyone knows it's not a literal cow given most of us don't own one. I mean no one actually thinks it's about an actual cow do they, not unless they have one. Surely to goodness everyone knows it can be a metaphor for possessions or relationships or anything....

 

[Trojina]

Fanofenka, you can of course ask exactly what you want to ask. Lots of people ask questions I find bizarre but I say nothing - it just so happens in this thread we began discussing it amongst ourselves - but you must always ask what you want to ask because that's your authentic question...