Question about the cardinal points

[Silberfee]

Hallo

Was bedeuten die Kardinalpunkte?. In Hexagramm 39 heißt es beispielsweise, dass der Südwesten positiv ist, während der Nordosten negativ ist. Jetzt schrieb jemand im Forum, dass, wenn Sie beispielsweise einen neuen Job starten, der neue Job im Südwesten sein sollte. Oder im Zusammenhang mit der Liebe verschwinden die Blockaden, wenn der Auserwählte im Südwesten lebt. Ist es wirklich so einfach?? Ich denke nicht. Dann müsste ich meinen Kompass nur bei zwischenmenschlichen Blockaden bekommen - und siehe da, Nordosten - okay, dann kann ich die Person trotzdem vergessen. Wie ich schon sagte, wird es wahrscheinlich nicht sein. Darüber hinaus verwenden wir die Begriffe Südost und Nordwest. Was ist zum Beispiel, wenn der neue Job oder Typ im Südosten ist??

Beste Wünsche
Silberfee

 

[hilary]

Hi Silberfee,

This is an English-speaking forum, so you need to copy your message into Google translate (or DeepL that Soshin recommended) and paste the English version of your messages in here. It won't take you long.

About the compass directions... you're right, in most readings it will make no sense to read them literally. Instead, try looking at the Later Heaven bagua (arrangement of the 8 trigrams). You'll see a trigram corresponding to each point of the compass (note the trigrams are written with their bottom line towards the centre). So that gives you a set of associations for the compass points: south is li, fire and light (at the top); southwest is kun, earth; west is dui, lake. This direction looks warm, open and fertile.

Another source of associations for northeast and southwest is the history of the Zhou people. Here's a short post about that.

 

[soshin]

Hi Silberfee,

This is an English-speaking forum, so you need to copy your message into Google translate (or DeepL that Soshin recommended) and paste the English version of your messages in here. It won't take you long.

About the compass directions... you're right, in most readings it will make no sense to read them literally. Instead, try looking at the Later Heaven bagua (arrangement of the 8 trigrams). You'll see a trigram corresponding to each point of the compass (note the trigrams are written with their bottom line towards the centre). So that gives you a set of associations for the compass points: south is li, fire and light (at the top); southwest is kun, earth; west is dui, lake. This direction looks warm, open and fertile.

Another source of associations for northeast and southwest is the history of the Zhou people. Here's a short post about that.

OK, now I know what her problem with language is: she wrote in German, translated it into English by the help of Google Translate, and then from English she somehow translated the result of the first translation back into German.

She then posted the result in German. The result - in German - sounds exactly like you believe it would after such an abuse.

Just want to make clear what happened. No judgement, just observation.

 

[hilary]

Thank goodness. I was wondering why it was so hard to follow!

 

[soshin]

Hallo

Was bedeuten die Kardinalpunkte?. In Hexagramm 39 heißt es beispielsweise, dass der Südwesten positiv ist, während der Nordosten negativ ist. Jetzt schrieb jemand im Forum, dass, wenn Sie beispielsweise einen neuen Job starten, der neue Job im Südwesten sein sollte. Oder im Zusammenhang mit der Liebe verschwinden die Blockaden, wenn der Auserwählte im Südwesten lebt. Ist es wirklich so einfach?? Ich denke nicht. Dann müsste ich meinen Kompass nur bei zwischenmenschlichen Blockaden bekommen - und siehe da, Nordosten - okay, dann kann ich die Person trotzdem vergessen. Wie ich schon sagte, wird es wahrscheinlich nicht sein. Darüber hinaus verwenden wir die Begriffe Südost und Nordwest. Was ist zum Beispiel, wenn der neue Job oder Typ im Südosten ist??

Beste Wünsche
Silberfee

In most cases the compass directions are meant to be taken metaphorically, but in some instances I got answers which were spot on - geographically spoken.

 

[IrfanK]

@hilary, I think you once said that the Yi never explicitly suggests going to the north and west, it only ever suggests going to the south and east. But I guess at times the Yi could suggest consciously facing danger and difficulty, which is what the north and west suggest. It just doesn't use the compass points when it does so.

 

[soshin]

@hilary, I think you once said that the Yi never explicitly suggests going to the north and west, it only ever suggests going to the south and east. But I guess at times the Yi could suggest consciously facing danger and difficulty, which is what the north and west suggest. It just doesn't use the compass points when it does so.

In Hexagram 2 it speaks about "west and south" and "east and north". In 39/40 it speaks about "southwest" (and "northeast"). In Hexagram 63,5 we have a "neighbor in the east" (who is not as lucky as the) "neighbor in the west".

Apart from that, the Yi never mentions directions explicitly in the text itself, only indirectly as the properties of trigrams.

Interesting though that it never mentions "north and west", "northwest" or "south and east" and "southeast". In the actual text, that is.

 

[IrfanK]

In Hexagram 2 it speaks about "west and south" and "east and north". In 39/40 it speaks about "southwest" (and "northeast"). In Hexagram 63,5 we have a "neighbor in the east" (who is not as lucky as the) "neighbor in the west".

Apart from that, the Yi never mentions directions explicitly in the text itself, only indirectly as the properties of trigrams.

Interesting though that it never mentions "north and west", "northwest" or "south and east" and "southeast". In the actual text, that is.

Whoops. Yes, of course. West and south, east and north. Since you've replied, I won't correct it. Must have been half asleep.