Question: How do the online yijing readings actually work?

[breakmov]

Just to highlight a detail... talking about probabilities implies talking in the context of large numbers... just look at the calculation of the error associated with a given probability, dependent on the average of the errors divided by the number of times the experiment was repeated.



... The larger the value of N, the smaller the value of the associated error calculation.



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[surnevs]

First, as I became aware that the thread here is specific about online readings in this forum I may have raised my quisten the wrong place.
Very briefly: Reality doesn't obey or follow statistical analysis or probability calculations - for the most part. A long way down the line they may show up though surprisingly accurate.
For my part, I will stay away from using such even if they showed up accurately 99 of 100 times. Reality is the factor from which statistics have been learned and probability formulas have been discovered.
But the reality is the reality.

 

[surnevs]

I'm not clear what you mean. The probability of not getting any 1 in six throws is 33.49% (which is a little bit higher than 1/3).
For an event to have probability 1/6 doesn't mean that if you repeat the experiment 6 times you will get that even at least once.

Probably I missed your point.

Sorry, yes you are right. I should at least have picked up one of the books about and written by Blaise Pascal I still have kept from back when I was puzzling with his probability theory in the nineteen-seventies to make sure I was remembering right.

 

[surnevs]

I wish you all good with your work concerning this algorithm and - I could remember wrong - your work with AI concerning the approach to attain deeper insight in fields of divination in this relation, which I'm not in touch with.
To conclude: I have been down that road, but it doesn't mean that in the dark end I found there, wasn't a gem open, hidden for my eyes. ( Grammarly will have me to write "hidden from my eyes" ??? Maybe I should turn back to the days when I didn't use this editing program)
Finally: 3 coins are real.

 

[remod]

Finally: 3 coins are real.

Fully agree. So are sticks, dice, marbles, cards, ...

I find it interesting that we can make all these physical objects perform the same process (casting I Ching hexagrams).
And also that we can abstract this same process to make a computer perform it.

 

[hilary]

(A computer is also a physical object.)

 

[hilary]

Sorry, I don't mean to be glib. What I'm suggesting is that if I cast with coins, marbles or sticks, I'm interacting with ordinary physical objects, and they create a hexagram that answers my question, and how they do so is a mystery to me. And if I consult with a computer... exactly the same thing is happening. It's just that the physical stuff doing the creating is smaller, and some of it is electrical currents or what-have-you.

I can't see or touch the computer casting process, so it seems very different - but in fact, whatever it is that gives rise to a hexagram that answers my question is exactly as invisible and intangible either way. So maybe these different ways of casting are not as different as they seem.

 

[remod]

I can't see or touch the computer casting process, so it seems very different - but in fact, whatever it is that gives rise to a hexagram that answers my question is exactly as invisible and intangible either way. So maybe these different ways of casting are not as different as they seem.

I understand your point, Hilary

However, for me it's different because I can see what's inside the computer, it is not invisible to me.

When I throw the coins, I can't really influence the way they will face in the end. They will rotate a bit, roll, bounce on the table etc in a way that is not governed by me,

When I do it with a computer, I know what has ben "told" him to do. It's like if I it were able to tell each coin exactly how to spin, roll and bounce. That's why the type and quality if the Random Number Generator is important: it's the only thing that will ensure that the end result is not biased towards a certain result.

That's why I keep computers in a separate category of devices,

 

[eowyndernhelme]

Never heard of a 2 coin method.

Hello, Trojina, I have to look up where I read about it. Been really sick for a while here, just starting to get back to normal.

Anyway: First throw, 2 heads = 2, any other combo = 3. Second throw, heads = 2, tails = 3. Add them up, that's your line. Repeat for all lines ordering them from bottom to top.

I'm probably not being very clear. If that's so, will try to reframe it, plus will look up where I read it. You know, thinking about it, I probably read it right here on Clarity Next, somebody's going to tell me I've been doing it wrong this whole time

 

[eowyndernhelme]

Hello, Trojina, I have to look up where I read about it. Been really sick for a while here, just starting to get back to normal.

Anyway: First throw, 2 heads = 2, any other combo = 3. Second throw, heads = 2, tails = 3. Add them up, that's your line. Repeat for all lines ordering them from bottom to top.

I'm probably not being very clear. If that's so, will try to reframe it, plus will look up where I read it. You know, thinking about it, I probably read it right here on Clarity Next, somebody's going to tell me I've been doing it wrong this whole time

Just to snip the end of this thread, here it is. Wikipedia has an entry on "I Ching divination" that includes the 2-coin method, but here it is as well:

2 coins

In addition to reproducing the yarrow probabilities, this method has all the advantages of the three coin method: practical, simple, and no special equipment required. Of course, you can still opt to light a candle or burn incense, or use special Chinese coins - whatever helps your focus on what yo

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

Not sure which place I first found it.

 

[eowyndernhelme]

I see that Hilary already provided the link earlier, I guess I should have reread things before I posted. Sorry all.