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Answer from the venerable IChing, for the Highest Good:

Hexagram 18: Corruption (Work on what has been spoiled).

Changing Line: 6 in the fourth place:

"Too weak to carry out the will of the father".
Remove the cause of the problem, do not procrastinate
(weak line in a weak place)

Resulting Hexagram: 50 Ting Cauldron (Establishing The New)

Establishing a new system
It will only work if it is in line with the will of heaven, i.e. good or for the highest good.

What do you guys think about this oracle reading?
 

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From which country, which government, do you suppose the new world order would be arising from? It's always the same when people talk about these theories, there seems to be a forgetting of just how different, disparate and separate and indeed incompetent, governments are. Even within governments there is disparity, disagreements and fighting. So it's almost like conspiracy theorists are sort of reverse utopians, idealists in that they believe there can be this overall unity of all the countries of the world, this one united 'world order'.

Are you perhaps thinking of the US government because I also often find US conspiracy theorists don't even seem to think there are any other governments, as if the US=the world and if you ask them about that they never answer because they can't. Or do you think the new world order is coming from Russia or China and if so how is the pandemic going to help them?

So to the question in the title, no of course the pandemic isn't a conspiracy to bring new word order as it manifestly doesn't bring any world order at all. We still have different countries, different governments doing very different things in response to the pandemic. So if the pandemic were a conspiracy for a new world order it would be a highly useless strategy.

So I don't need a casting to answer this question any more than I need to ask 'am I breathing' or 'do I have fingers' I'm not sure why you need to ask.

18.6 expressly says kings and princes aren't relevant, there are things beyond them. Maybe many people have a hard time understanding we don't control nature, that things can wipe out the human race that have zero connection to the US government. I think if an asteroid hit earth and devastated half of it there would still be people saying it was all a plot by the US government. People clearly cannot cope with the fact we are animals subject to things beyond any government. I think the lack of control frightens them so they prefer conspiracy theory to that.


And the whole new world order thing makes me laugh when I consider how much confusion and delay and incompetence and lack of resources there are even in government departments. Do you really think there is that much cohesion between all governments to make a plan to get a new world order through an unpredictable virus?

So 18.6

'No business with kings and lords,
Honouring what is highest is your business.'

It could be asking you simply to attend to your own affairs and get on with your life without thinking about conspiracy theories. It could also be directly saying Covid has nothing to do with 'kings and lords' because guess what.....there really are things beyond human worldly powers.

An asteroid could smash the earth to bits, indeed I read it is likely. Like Covid it is not something designed by anyone in a government it is an act of nature over which we have absolutely no control.


I am beginning to realise conspiracy theorists are actually terrified of lack of control. They don't want to think things can happen outside of human control so they try to make even natural disasters a government plot even against all logic.
 

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From which country, which government, do you suppose the new world order would be arising from? It's always the same when people talk about these theories, there seems to be a forgetting of just how different, disparate and separate and indeed incompetent, governments are. Even within governments there is disparity, disagreements and fighting. So it's almost like conspiracy theorists are sort of reverse utopians, idealists in that they believe there can be this overall unity of all the countries of the world, this one united 'world order'.

Are you perhaps thinking of the US government because I also often find US conspiracy theorists don't even seem to think there are any other governments, as if the US=the world and if you ask them about that they never answer because they can't. Or do you think the new world order is coming from Russia or China and if so how is the pandemic going to help them?

So to the question in the title, no of course the pandemic isn't a conspiracy to bring new word order as it manifestly doesn't bring any world order at all. We still have different countries, different governments doing very different things in response to the pandemic. So if the pandemic were a conspiracy for a new world order it would be a highly useless strategy.

So I don't need a casting to answer this question any more than I need to ask 'am I breathing' or 'do I have fingers' I'm not sure why you need to ask.

18.6 expressly says kings and princes aren't relevant, there are things beyond them. Maybe many people have a hard time understanding we don't control nature, that things can wipe out the human race that have zero connection to the US government. I think if an asteroid hit earth and devastated half of it there would still be people saying it was all a plot by the US government. People clearly cannot cope with the fact we are animals subject to things beyond any government. I think the lack of control frightens them so they prefer conspiracy theory to that.


And the whole new world order thing makes me laugh when I consider how much confusion and delay and incompetence and lack of resources there are even in government departments. Do you really think there is that much cohesion between all governments to make a plan to get a new world order through an unpredictable virus?

So 18.6

'No business with kings and lords,
Honouring what is highest is your business.'

It could be asking you simply to attend to your own affairs and get on with your life without thinking about conspiracy theories. It could also be directly saying Covid has nothing to do with 'kings and lords' because guess what.....there really are things beyond human worldly powers.

An asteroid could smash the earth to bits, indeed I read it is likely. Like Covid it is not something designed by anyone in a government it is an act of nature over which we have absolutely no control.


I am beginning to realise conspiracy theorists are actually terrified of lack of control. They don't want to think things can happen outside of human control so they try to make even natural disasters a government plot even against all logic.
Hi Trojina,

Thank you for your comments, this is appreciated, especially to see an alternative view. I must say the words I used in the question should be clarified a bit: The meaning is more "Is the Pandemic being used to rollout a NWO.

Thanks for your interpreation of the changing line, but what do you believe the actual hexagrams "Work on What Has Been Spoiled" and Ting "Establishing The New" could represent in relation to the meaning of the question?

With thanks an best wishes,

C
 

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Thanks for your interpreation of the changing line, but what do you believe the actual hexagrams "Work on What Has Been Spoiled" and Ting "Establishing The New" could represent in relation to the meaning of the question?

18.6 changes to 46 not 50.

In line 6 you are at the end of working on what has been spoiled, you can go beyond (46) that now. This isn't down to kings and princes at all.

Thank you for your comments, this is appreciated, especially to see an alternative view. I must say the words I used in the question should be clarified a bit: The meaning is more "Is the Pandemic being used to rollout a NWO.
Oh, so to clarify, you aren't saying the pandemic itself is a conspiracy to make a new world order you're saying the pandemic is being used somewhere, in some country, by some government to create a new world order? You haven't said what country or what government you see creating a new world order, it's very vague, who do you mean? You're saying some government is taking advantage of the pandemic, using it to control people?

Well it certainly isn't true of the UK government, I think their concerns are closer to home like the collapse of the hospitality industry and the general economy not to mention the NHS of course.

Or by 'new world order' do you mean something good? I'd assumed you meant it as a sinister thing but perhaps you didn't? Well you did say in the first post

Answer from the venerable IChing, for the Highest Good:
So did you mean this new world order is for the highest good? It's just the title says 'is the pandemic a conspiracy' and the word 'conspiracy' now has unfortunate connotations, well I guess it always did.


I never go by general questions like this anyway as 'the answer' - and I apologise to everyone who heard me say this 100 times - but I haven't said it to caspark and I'm saying it to explain with any political question or question on behalf of humanity at large people will and can make it mean whatever they want it to mean according to their beliefs. But, suspending those reservations on such questions, here in this reading, it is said as clear as can be this isn't about people in authority. As you have one line moving that really is the most important part of your answer.

But I am very confused over what you're getting at. Perhaps you could clarify if you see a new world order as a good thing or a bad thing and in what way? The pandemic was wonderful for all other forms of life on the planet and I think we learned how great life can be without traffic but I don't think that's the area you're focusing on when you speak of new world order.


And remember 18.6 changes to 46 not 50.
 

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18.6 changes to 46 not 50.

In line 6 you are at the end of working on what has been spoiled, you can go beyond (46) that now. This isn't down to kings and princes at all.


Oh, so to clarify, you aren't saying the pandemic itself is a conspiracy to make a new world order you're saying the pandemic is being used somewhere, in some country, by some government to create a new world order? You haven't said what country or what government you see creating a new world order, it's very vague, who do you mean? You're saying some government is taking advantage of the pandemic, using it to control people?

Well it certainly isn't true of the UK government, I think their concerns are closer to home like the collapse of the hospitality industry and the general economy not to mention the NHS of course.

Or by 'new world order' do you mean something good? I'd assumed you meant it as a sinister thing but perhaps you didn't? Well you did say in the first post


So did you mean this new world order is for the highest good? It's just the title says 'is the pandemic a conspiracy' and the word 'conspiracy' now has unfortunate connotations, well I guess it always did.


I never go by general questions like this anyway as 'the answer' - and I apologise to everyone who heard me say this 100 times - but I haven't said it to caspark and I'm saying it to explain with any political question or question on behalf of humanity at large people will and can make it mean whatever they want it to mean according to their beliefs. But, suspending those reservations on such questions, here in this reading, it is said as clear as can be this isn't about people in authority. As you have one line moving that really is the most important part of your answer.

But I am very confused over what you're getting at. Perhaps you could clarify if you see a new world order as a good thing or a bad thing and in what way? The pandemic was wonderful for all other forms of life on the planet and I think we learned how great life can be without traffic but I don't think that's the area you're focusing on when you speak of new world order.


And remember 18.6 changes to 46 not 50.
Hiya,

Okay one question at a time, the changing line is as stated: "Changing Line: 6 in the fourth place":
(6 Designating a broken line)

This alternates to Hexagram 50 Ting.

I was asking the venerable IChing "for the highest good" or "to the highest good" - I always ask humbly with humility and to the highest good and for the answer to be for the highest - taking away egoism.

You seem to claim to what our government is doing, it seems to me the NHS is being stealth privatised and has had funding reduced over the last few years - the Tories are not trying to save it they are purposely trying to de-fund it to allow private sector to move in, no?

I don't propose to know the answers thats why I asked the IChing about the NWO. I repeat, for me the meaning of the question was more accurately "Is the pandemic being used to rollout the NWO"...

The answer quite plainly is:

Hexagram of Corruption changing to Hexagram Ting or Cauldron "Establishing the new".

But the changing line in the fourth says "Too weak to carry out will of the father" - yin line in a yin place to weak to create the change?

I take it you are familiar with what Ting represents in ancient Chinese history? And indeed that Corruption could represent even an upturned Ting being cleaned of its Corruption....

For many the prospect of the NWO represents massive corruption...
 

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Changing Line: 6 in the fourth place:
Sorry I read it as changing line 6. People don't usually write '6 in the fourth pace'

The usual format is to write 18.4>50 or 18.6>46

You seem to claim to what our government is doing, it seems to me the NHS is being stealth privatised and has had funding reduced over the last few years - the Tories are not trying to save it they are purposely trying to de-fund it to allow private sector to move in, no?
I'm not claiming anything. Yes agreed it is being stealth privatised I just meant it was still a concern. Lockdowns to keep hospitals from over flowing. That is I feel the government have enough to be going on with without worrying about a 'new world order'.

I don't propose to know the answers thats why I asked the IChing about the NWO. I repeat, for me the meaning of the question was more accurately "Is the pandemic being used to rollout the NWO"...
Can you explain what you mean by 'new world order'?

Is it a political NWO you are talking about or is it spiritual or what?

You see I still have no idea what your question is about and unless you can explain a bit more there doesn't seem much point trying to interpret your answer.



The answer quite plainly is:

Hexagram of Corruption changing to Hexagram Ting or Cauldron "Establishing the new".

But the changing line in the fourth says "Too weak to carry out will of the father" - yin line in a yin place to weak to create the change?

I take it you are familiar with what Ting represents in ancient Chinese history? And indeed that Corruption could represent even an upturned Ting being cleaned of its Corruption....

For many the prospect of the NWO represents massive corruption...
So I glean from this you are seeing the NWO, whatever that is, as massive corruption, a negative thing. So what is your question now ? Let's go back to find that out

I must say the words I used in the question should be clarified a bit: The meaning is more "Is the Pandemic being used to rollout a NWO.
But how would the pandemic be used to roll out a new world order?


Why don't you tell us what you think the answer means and maybe that way it will be clearer what you think this NWO is and where it comes from and from who and for what purpose.

18.4 is tolerating corruption, being lazy, being okay with a rotten pattern. How does that fit to your question do you think? I can see that conspiracy theories themselves can be a form of corruption.
 
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18.4<>50
'Remedying' through 'Establishing the New'.

I like Alfred Huang's idea of remedying i.e. putting things right; treating a disease; bringing about a cure.
The image in 18 gives guidance 'to nurture power and virtue' of the commoners. The deep influence behind 18 comes direct from Hex 54, which carries a sense of uniting heaven and earth and returning home. It carries the challenge to 'avoid anything that would hurt harmony'.

Conspiracies involve secrets. Secrets cause harm. 18.4 identifies the need to get to the root of the matter, and not to collude (too weak to act of ones own accord) with the secrets. Any collusion brings only a lack of success. It is advisable to remedy the 'authority of the father' going forward.

And of course, whatever happens will be for a higher good. So I guess it all boils down to what you see the New World Order as representing - a higher good or something else.

... or it might mean nothing like this at all to you.

Good Luck
 

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You're saying some government is taking advantage of the pandemic, using it to control people?
Well, the government where I live passed a law making it a crime to "deliberately spread untruths likely to be detrimental to the public good" or however they phrased it and used it to arrest a crackpot doctor, a defrocked plastic surgeon, who was leading the anti-vax movement here. It was quite odd, after she'd been dismissing covid as a complete fraud, she was shown on television screeching with fear at the idea of being locked in a cell with other prisoners who might have, ahem, some sort of contagious disease. Nasty trick on the part of the police, really, but you can see why they might have been tempted.

Well, most people I know have only a very limited amount of concern for her. But it's been quite disturbing to see the same law being used to arrest people, whistle-blowers who have tried to expose some of the abuses by the military in Papua, nothing to do with covid. And that's not a hypothetical, it's happening. A friend's wife is now seeking political asylum because she can't come back here without risking a decade in prison.

Also Myanmar. The pandemic has given the military great cover to impose all sorts of security measures, although I'm sure the Burmese military would have found a way anyway, they aren't that worried about the need for plausible cover.

Okay, but those (these, where I'm sitting) countries don't have the strong respect that places like Britain and the US have for human rights and political freedoms and ... aaaaah, hang on. Let me check the news again. Well, yeah. Okay. Maybe people should be a little bit ... questioning.

By the way, had my third jab today (Pfizer! Top-shelf vaccines finally available in the developing world!). I'm not a denialist, covid is a major public health issue. But watch out for the cure, too.
 

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Well, the government where I live passed a law making it a crime to "deliberately spread untruths likely to be detrimental to the public good" or however they phrased it and used it to arrest a crackpot doctor, a defrocked plastic surgeon, who was leading the anti-vax movement here. It was quite odd, after she'd been dismissing covid as a complete fraud, she was shown on television screeching with fear at the idea of being locked in a cell with other prisoners who might have, ahem, some sort of contagious disease. Nasty trick on the part of the police, really, but you can see why they might have been tempted.
:rofl: I shouldn't find this amusing but I do, it would make a great comedy drama.

Using Covid as a cover for increased government control isn't the same thing as Covid being an invention in order to gain control. I see that. I'm still not really clear what angle the OP is coming from. The title suggests that they think Covid itself is a conspiracy but then later they say the question was about it being used as a cover perhaps but I'm not sure.
I must say the words I used in the question should be clarified a bit: The meaning is more "Is the Pandemic being used to rollout a NWO.
 

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Any situation in which the whole world ought repair what is spoiled/rotten/decaying/diseased and work hard to fix things (18) could be linked to a transformative, cauldron-overthrowing (50) opportunity. Yet the cauldron is the context for your question too (what's cooking here?), it reflects your formulation.

Now, do we need to consult the Yi on this general (soem would say speculative) hypothesis - or could you yourself read a couple of world history books, pay attention to the world news, and find answers? The past always has lessons one could draw on, for the present and the future. Patterns tend to repeat. 18.4 indicates that.

I also wonder if you're following a man's theory or if someone's following yours (presuming you're a male)? Tolerating this could bring humiliation, the Yi remarks. Internal work would have to be done, if there's too much suspicion.

You got 2 answers (historical and personal) for the price of 1.
 

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:rofl: I shouldn't find this amusing but I do, it would make a great comedy drama.
Hehe. Television dramas and soap operas are incredibly popular here. It's hard to escape the conclusion that the police and other authorities don't sometimes try to live up (live down?) to the standards set by those productions.
 

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Sorry I read it as changing line 6. People don't usually write '6 in the fourth pace'

The usual format is to write 18.4>50 or 18.6>46


I'm not claiming anything. Yes agreed it is being stealth privatised I just meant it was still a concern. Lockdowns to keep hospitals from over flowing. That is I feel the government have enough to be going on with without worrying about a 'new world order'.


Can you explain what you mean by 'new world order'?

Is it a political NWO you are talking about or is it spiritual or what?

You see I still have no idea what your question is about and unless you can explain a bit more there doesn't seem much point trying to interpret your answer.




So I glean from this you are seeing the NWO, whatever that is, as massive corruption, a negative thing. So what is your question now ? Let's go back to find that out


But how would the pandemic be used to roll out a new world order?


Why don't you tell us what you think the answer means and maybe that way it will be clearer what you think this NWO is and where it comes from and from who and for what purpose.

18.4 is tolerating corruption, being lazy, being okay with a rotten pattern. How does that fit to your question do you think? I can see that conspiracy theories themselves can be a form of corruption

18.4<>50
'Remedying' through 'Establishing the New'.

I like Alfred Huang's idea of remedying i.e. putting things right; treating a disease; bringing about a cure.
The image in 18 gives guidance 'to nurture power and virtue' of the commoners. The deep influence behind 18 comes direct from Hex 54, which carries a sense of uniting heaven and earth and returning home. It carries the challenge to 'avoid anything that would hurt harmony'.

Conspiracies involve secrets. Secrets cause harm. 18.4 identifies the need to get to the root of the matter, and not to collude (too weak to act of ones own accord) with the secrets. Any collusion brings only a lack of success. It is advisable to remedy the 'authority of the father' going forward.

And of course, whatever happens will be for a higher good. So I guess it all boils down to what you see the New World Order as representing - a higher good or something else.

... or it might mean nothing like this at all to you.

Good Luck
Hi My_Key,

Thanks yes this is logical. I Like Huang's translations too, historically and rationally divining from the commentary and position of lines.

Interesting point on the meaning of the nuclear (inner) hexagram.

To me the NWO represents corruption, big business coming together (and governments) to form organisations that serve big business rather than humanity and care for the earth. An example of this is The World Economic Forum "The Great Reset". Within the CEO's book and indeed the Rockerfeller Institiute's predictions and outcomes report of 2009 (which mentions an outcome could be "operation lockstep" from a pandemic) both state VERY clearly that mnay governments MAY take advantage of the situation to utilise the extra control for authoritarian means...

New laws being brought into seemingly protect the public - like a law to arrest those who have opposing views or spread what a government may call "mis-information" - but maybe simply an alternative view back up by science is extremely dangerous to freedom of speech and freedom of balanced information.

The British Medical Journal has recently complained about this exact thing - suppression of science by Facebook on the grounds their peer reviewed article was "C-vid misinformation"...

Huang himself was arrested for continuing to go to meetings to discuss the IChing during the cultural revolution in China in the 1950's! He was branded a"right-wing activist" imprisioned and sent to labor camps...

Chatham House, an International think tank predicts that the UK, by 2030, will have government controlled crypto currency based on your social credit (just like China now!), if employed, is that a good idea to get money only when the government thinks you're doing a good job? Surely this could be abused if those in power wish to?

Thank you for your suggestions its good to get a different angle on things. My Chinese IChing teacher predicted from this reading that "it won't happen" i.e.: that corruption won't be allowed to "go against the force of nature", The Highest good or more to the point "It will not be the Will of Heaven" as shown in TING - new established rule needs to be the Will of Heaven to be created...

All the best,

C
 

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Well, the government where I live passed a law making it a crime to "deliberately spread untruths likely to be detrimental to the public good" or however they phrased it and used it to arrest a crackpot doctor, a defrocked plastic surgeon, who was leading the anti-vax movement here. It was quite odd, after she'd been dismissing covid as a complete fraud, she was shown on television screeching with fear at the idea of being locked in a cell with other prisoners who might have, ahem, some sort of contagious disease. Nasty trick on the part of the police, really, but you can see why they might have been tempted.

Well, most people I know have only a very limited amount of concern for her. But it's been quite disturbing to see the same law being used to arrest people, whistle-blowers who have tried to expose some of the abuses by the military in Papua, nothing to do with covid. And that's not a hypothetical, it's happening. A friend's wife is now seeking political asylum because she can't come back here without risking a decade in prison.

Also Myanmar. The pandemic has given the military great cover to impose all sorts of security measures, although I'm sure the Burmese military would have found a way anyway, they aren't that worried about the need for plausible cover.

Okay, but those (these, where I'm sitting) countries don't have the strong respect that places like Britain and the US have for human rights and political freedoms and ... aaaaah, hang on. Let me check the news again. Well, yeah. Okay. Maybe people should be a little bit ... questioning.

By the way, had my third jab today (Pfizer! Top-shelf vaccines finally available in the developing world!). I'm not a denialist, covid is a major public health issue. But watch out for the cure, too.

Hi there,

Thanks for that...

Laws can be used for good or bad, its when freedom of speech is abused - this could be dangerous as well as claiming health practices that could be dangerous that are promoted as good. As you write, can be used for a perceived good or bad...

What country are you in?

Britain may be respected in modern times but tbh, UK is just more subtle in its corruption. Besides you only have to go back a few hundred years and see what the UK did round the world, including slavery, theft and outright abuse of countries... We've come a long way since then but the rising power of trillion dollar businesses threatens democracy, freedom of speech and the very health of the earth we live on. But as the IChing says, eventually corruption will be exposed and the "Will of Heaven" will ensure a good resolution...

Hope so anyway!

C
 

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I wouldn't say freedom of speech was in any way threatened in the UK.
 

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To me the NWO represents corruption, big business coming together (and governments) to form organisations that serve big business rather than humanity and care for the earth.
Sounds remarkably similar to the Old World Order, to me.
 

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I wouldn't say freedom of speech was in any way threatened in the UK.
No? As I mentioned in a reply above to another friend on here, The British Medical Journal has complained to Facebook about their "factcheckers" preventing a post from being published on Facebook that was peer reviewed. In a recent court case Facebook admitted that their "factcheckers" were merely "opinions"... Your right it is laughable this theatre of life...

Let alone the suppression of many concerned about the government, big business and many others actions that have been suppressed by Bias Google, Facebook, Youtube, etc, Algorithms...

Rowan Atkinson did a great video about the increased lack of free speech in the UK...
 

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Sounds remarkably similar to the Old World Order, to me.
Indeed, they're trying to continue it, but imho, I think it won't succeed and if we can get over a re-birth of humanity's governing systems a great new age may come!!
 

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