Situation in Iran 49.3.4.6> 42

[marybluesky]

I had this interesting cast about situation in Iran some weeks ago, which I hesitated to share. Ironically, my famous post coincided with the beginning of Iran protests, the "Woman, Life, Freedom" movement. The protests have intensified by time despite the aggressive ways of suppression.

I asked what will happen in Iran and got 49.3.4.6> 42.
I find it clear enough: the radical change needs time to grow and stablish, then there's a change of mandate: good fortune. Noble people take the responsibility of change while others only try to conform.

I then asked about the possibilities:

Total regime change: 11.2.5> 63. The flow of people will do it?
Radical change within the government: 58.3> 43. Doesn't seem effective.
Foreign interference in line with protesters' demands: 8.4> 45. Yes: outside, seeking union.

 

[Trojina]

Fabulous answers and very clear too

I asked what will happen in Iran and got 49.3.4.6> 42.
I find it clear enough: the radical change needs time to grow and stablish, then there's a change of mandate: good fortune. Noble people take the responsibility of change while others only try to conform.

Those enacting the revolution, those protesting, will succeed and they bring blessing to the whole world(42). Their bravery is inspirational to everyone. Line 6 is interesting

Total regime change: 11.2.5> 63. The flow of people will do it?

It's already underway it just can't be seen yet. Another incredible answer. If right is on one's side that is a massive power, the power of truth, it can be silenced through violence but it's always going to win in the end.

Radical change within the government: 58.3> 43. Doesn't seem effective.

Doesn't look like it.

Foreign interference in line with protesters' demands: 8.4> 45. Yes: outside, seeking union.

Yes

 

[IrfanK]

What an incredible reading!



Someone sent me this image this morning. A monument proposed for Tehran, after the regime changes. I thought it was incredibly beautiful and moving.

 

[marybluesky]

There have been much more protests and strikes since I posted. The atmosphere has changed.

I asked about the timing of (successful) revolution, got 46.3.4>40.

According to the hexagrams' timing table, 46 shows November and 40 January. Somewhere between these two months. Or the main process happens in this timeframe. That said, the number of people joining in different forms of protests has considerably increased since the beginning of November.

The cast can have another meaning, too: step by step you gain freedom. Taking a look at the lines, the revolution pushes upward in an empty city (because of strikes or decrease and fall of armed forces); and offering and sacrifices will make it.

 

[IrfanK]

The cast can have another meaning, too: step by step you gain freedom. Taking a look at the lines, the revolution pushes upward in an empty city (because of strikes or decrease and fall of armed forces); and offering and sacrifices will make it.

Hey Mary, can I share my ideas with you?

46.3 One pushes upwards into an empty city.

I get the feeling that it's pushing forward, expecting to find resistance, expecting, perhaps, to have to face the enemy. But the enemy is strangely absent and there is no resistance. I lived through the fall of a dictatorship in Indonesia, after being here for a decade. The dictatorship seemed so powerful, it was everywhere, it controlled everything. It was impossible to imagine it not existing. And then when it fell, it just disappeared like an ugly dream and everyone was left wondering how it had ever existed in the first place. All these horrible things we imagined would happen when it ended didn't happen. That's the feeling I get from this line.

46.4 The king offers him Mount Chi. Good fortune. No blame.

This one's a bit more cloudy, but ... Mount Chi is a sacred mountain, the ritual center, solid, unmoving. Perhaps, in Iran, it could be referring to something much older than the ayatollahs and their system of government, the real core of the country, a source of strength, traditions that have nothing to do with the ayatollahs' vision of religion and much more to do with an older history. Maybe that will play an important role as the revolution evolves.

These are the naive impressions of someone who spent two weeks as a tourist in your country, and read perhaps half a dozen books about it. I hope you aren't annoyed by my expressing an opinion about something I really don't know that much about.

Good luck and bon courage to everyone there hoping for better times!

 

[marybluesky]

@IrfanK
I haven't read the history of Indonesia and knew nothing about the fall of dictatorship in that country. It should be interesting to study.

The dictatorship seemed so powerful, it was everywhere, it controlled everything. It was impossible to imagine it not existing. And then when it fell, it just disappeared like an ugly dream and everyone was left wondering how it had ever existed in the first place. All these horrible things we imagined would happen when it ended didn't happen. That's the feeling I get from this line.

That's what I've heard on fall of dictators in other parts of the world. We are going through this: being hopeful and hesitant at the same time. The change is in the air, I sense it. On the other hand, I wonder how people can overthrow such a regime that seems so powerful and has no morals neither limit in suppressing people. Of course, some experienced people assure me that's only an appearance and the regime is decayed inside, so it can't resist much. Beautiful read of the line...

This one's a bit more cloudy, but ... Mount Chi is a sacred mountain, the ritual center, solid, unmoving. Perhaps, in Iran, it could be referring to something much older than the ayatollahs and their system of government, the real core of the country, a source of strength, traditions that have nothing to do with the ayatollahs' vision of religion and much more to do with an older history. Maybe that will play an important role as the revolution evolves.

and another interesting interpretation.

If you have read a lot about Iran what I'm going to say won't be new for you.
Iran had been a big Monarchist country since ancient times until the fall of Sassanids in the 7th century AC, and again, since the rise of Safavids in the 16th century up to the Islamic Revolution in 1979. These have been the most prosperous eras.

That's the Lion and Sun (Šir-o xoršid) flag which has been the emblem of Persia (Iran) since the Safavids until 1979 and is very popular these days, particularly among the supporters of Iran's exiled prince:



There are different groups among protesters like in any other country. A large number are monarchists who want a unitary parliamentary monarchy like that of UK and Sweden. I'm not a monarchist and prefer a more modern type of State, but am not specially against them, either.

About the supporters of prince, I asked a month ago where their place would be and got 49uc. The revolution. My take is, it's they who'll do the most important part. Later I asked what they'll do and got 51: Shock, surprise.

I've asked several questions on what will happen and what problems we'll encounter, and I received many lines referring to "king" and "good fortune", including 46.2, 46.4; also 37.5 which I had at least twice: "With the king's presence, there's a home. Do not worry. Good fortune". [Hilary]

Good impressions indeed. Thanks.

 

[IrfanK]

Mary, I didn't realize the monarchist movement was that strong in Persia. What's the Prince like? Could he bring the country together, do you think? Maybe that could explain 46.4. Maybe "the King" really does refer to the king, or the prince in waiting.

There are quite a few similarities with Indonesia, although we had a military dictatorship, not a religious one. Like Persia, Indonesia has a very old culture and a long history. Sure, most people are Muslims, about 80%, but the old Hindu and Buddhist traditions are still very strong. A lot of people pay more attention to the stories from the Mahabharata than to al-Quran. And by far the majority of people want a secular system, only a handful of fanatics want an Islamic state. Islam doesn't define the country, the culture and the history is just as important to most people.

I got the same feeling in Persia. Really, before I got there, I guess I was influenced by the images you see on CNN, but it was completely different. Even back then, I remember most young women put on a veil in a very half-hearted way, not covering much of their hair. I remember talking to some of them, and they said it was like a game to see what they could get away with. Sometimes a policeman would shout at them for not wearing it properly, so they'd pull it up for a few minutes, then let it slip down again when the policeman had gone.

I remember wandering around Persepolis, when I visited Shiraz. My guide used to be a Professor of pre-Islamic history at a university there. He told me he quit his job when the authorities told him he had to start teaching Islamic history instead. Not interested, he said. Amazing place. If it was in any other country, it would be famous like the Pyramids.

I just looked through my bookshelves to try to find a novel I read when I was there. Savushun, by Simin Daneshvar. Great book! Do you know it?

 

[marybluesky]

@IrfanK the prince is well educated, seems to be a peaceful man and a reason people support him is that they trust him as a leader who can bring all Iranian nation under a flag.

His father did a lot for the country and was a big fan of pre-Islamic Iran. Although he was a Muslim and did Hajj, the king was a secular ruler. He modernized Iran and made of it a powerful state in the region. On why people rebelled against him there are many hypotheses, but one thing is sure: the majority of them regretted the Islamic revolution later. No one can deny that Iran's economic, political, educational and medical situation developed rapidly during the last king.

Yes I know Savushun

 

[IrfanK]

Hey Mary! I thought of you and your reading when I read the news this morning, about the disbanding of the morality police and a review of the hijab law.

Bah. It reminds of the week before the Indonesian dictator, Soeharto, was finally forced to stand down. In the very final days, he suddenly announced that he was going to form a commission to investigate corruption, collusion and nepotism, and that no-one was more committed to reform than he himself.

It seemed more like a sign of weakness than anything else, way too little, far too late. And that's the vibe I get from Iran.

What do you think?

 

[novht1]

Sadly, it looks like news of those developments may have been premature.

 

[marybluesky]

@IrfanK great to read the comparison!

I got emotional indeed

Right, it doesn't mean that the crackdown is over; in fact, many say it's merely an act of deception for calming down the protestors and the UN truth commission which is due to interfere in near future. Some authorities talk about new measures against women who don't respect hijab, including blocking their bank account (I'm thinking about ways to transfer my money elsewhere).

However, I consider the abolition of moral guidance patrol as a great achievement for protesters, even if other measures replace it. It was less than three months ago that a girl was killed in the hand of moral police not for not having hijab, but for not wearing it properly. Then what happened? The patrol disappeared right after the beginning of protests. For the first time since the ratification of mandatory hijab rule about 40 years ago, a large number of women started not wearing hijab at all in public, and their number is increasing day by day. No police have confronted them since.

Some days ago, a high authority of Iranian Judiciary system announced its abolishment. The statement was later denied by some others who vaguely pointed to alternative punishments. Look: that's the same government who beat girls in the public for wearing improper hijab. Now there are contradictory reactions. Even if they block the bank accounts, that's far from their previous brutal encounter.

I don't think it would deceive people to stop protests. For me that's the opposite. It's a victory that boasts my moral and gives me more courage to keep on protesting. As you say, it came too weak, too late, while there wasn't even an apologize neither recognition of people's wants.

 

[marybluesky]

Hi

No regime change
Just difficult times, violance, physical, psychological, economical, societal damage.

 

[Trojina]

Well line 3 especially does talk about taking time.

 

[isacosmo]

Hi

No regime change
Just difficult times, violance, physical, psychological, economical, societal damage.

Hello marybluesky

My post has nothing to do with your cast last year. I just want to say something about the "violence" you mention re. Iran.
Iran is a strategic country in Asia, has been so since the BC's. Apart of geography, geologicaly speaking, it has one of the most important oil reserves. Keep this last one in mind for a little.
Persia has been invaded many times before: by Greeks, Mongols, Arabs --- directly invaded. And one thing that they are very proud of is that they never lost their culture (language including, as the Arabs tried to erase the Farsi language back in the 600's AD, I think, but they resisted because of their age old epic poetry, which enabled them to keep their Soul intact. Ah, also, they re very proud of, instead, having their conquerors assimilating their amazing art and crafts.). Later on, on modern times, they were indirectly invaded by the colonialist countries in Europe -- France and England. They, till today ( I have an Iranian friend), say french words like "merci", and love French parfumes.
When Shah Reza Pahlev allowed the Western tentacles to enter Iran in the most destructive fashion, where we can find Iranian ladies sitting over imported cars, dancing Beatles 's songs and smoking like they were in Paris, the shias clergy did what they did (apart from Beatles, the West was into very profitable commerce with Iran re. oil --- ops, profitable for the Iranian elite and for the Western companies!).
Enough of the 50-60's.
Do you know whose fault is when countries shut themselves into what USA and Europe call "tirany" , "autocracy", "dictatorship"? It is the imperialism's fault. They come into our countries, suck them dry, throw our women into servicing the tourist with cheap sex, and make great business with our natural resources. And call us a Democracy. Good!
As for economic violence, I think it is well known by now that, since the Revolution, USA and their acollites in Europe have gifted Iranian people with scarcity of goods and commercial transactions --- called Economic Sanction. The violence is theirs.
While the whole West (and some cant even pinpoint Iran on a Map, let alone have a line of knowledge about their History) is whinning over the Iranian women and the strictness of a damn cloth over their heads, they ignore that the lovely friendly Saudi Arabia do not allow their women to do sports, or go out alone. But noone cares. They surprisingly care only for Iranian women.
I am sorry to "invade" your thread, but suddenly the whole Europeans and North-americans are very worried to what happens there, but just cant understand what is the underlying issue. And now the foreign invisible (to a degree) powers bet on a Coloured Revolution for Freedom, while they sharp the nails to steal oil just like they are doing in Iraq and Syria, while saying that Democracy has won in Iraq and will eventualy, and with God's help, in Syria.