The answer has nothing to do with my question, or does it?

[rudemuse]

Good morning. I got 50>4 when i asked what he wants from me. We have not communicated in days also. Just wanted to know what he's thinking.

 

[pocossin]

What does he wants from me?
50.3.4 > 4

He wants his needs met (50) and to be in a leadership position (4). Can you accept such a level of subordination? If you want an equal partner, this doesn't look good. I hope the idiots who proclaim that questions concerning the minds of others cannot be asked will respond to this. If you haven't communicated in days, should you even be thinking of this? The world is broad, and there are many fish in the sea.

 

[innertruth]

I agree with Trojina who said that most of the time Yi addresses reading to yourself. But it is up to you to decide what is it really.

 

[rosada]

Hmmm...not smart enough to figure out if I'm the one being called an idiot here but it's a slow news day so I'll try posting something. First of all, of course questions concerning the minds of others can be asked. Will such questions result in meaningful answers is however subject to debate... In fact, I think I'll go ask the I Ching for a comment on that right now. Back in a sec.

 

[pocossin]

First of all, of course questions concerning the minds of others can be asked.

Thank you, Rosada. Other authoritative souls, however, deny this.

Will such questions result in meaningful answers is however subject to debate...

I welcome informed debate on any topic, provided its purpose is not to prevent anything from being done.

 

[rosada]

Hi rudemouse,

Your post seems to be more suited for the Shared Reading area so I've moved it over here from Exploring Divination.

As to your question, "What does he want from me?" I read 4. as saying he doesn't want anything from you and 50.3.4 as saying he does not see what you have to offer.

However, we have been discussing whether it is wise to trust the I Ching to inform us about another person's thoughts and motivations. My experience has been that while sometimes I almost comically misinterpret what is motivating another person - in fact, I now frequently remind myself to remember that I must never assume I know what another person is thinking - still we are all living lives we ourselves are making up and sometimes it helps to consult the IC script doctor and ask, "What should I have this character be thinking now?" With that thought in mind I interpret the response you got to your question as meaning YOU don't know, even your higher self doesn't know, even God is clueless.

In practical terms I think you are being told his non-calling isn't meant as a dire message other than he's not thinking about you although that in itself might be a bit disturbing.

 

[Trojina]

Rudemuse you yourself hit the nail on the head with the fundamental problem in asking what others think via I Ching readings. I refer you to the title of this thread you began earlier

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...to-romance-how-do-I-know-who-its-referring-to

You wrote

For a reading related to romance, how do I know who its referring to?

That is the trouble, how can you know who the answer refers to ? Often it will refer right back to you, infact most of the time it does which is not to say it can never refer to the other person but it is a tricky thing to decipher even for those with many years experience in their own readings.

Unfortunately this point, even when carefully explained, has been persistently misunderstood as an instruction NOT to ask what others think/feel. Obviously you can ask what you want, but bear in mind as I said it isn't always so easy to know to whom the answer refers. Even when I ask about others feelings now and then I cannot be sure if the answer refers to them or me and so generally I avoid such questions. That does not equate to forbidding such questions or asserting such questions may not ever be asked or understood,


I am linking here to a sticky with advice on asking relationship questions. Hilary also discussed the problems that can sometimes arise when trying to get into the minds of others via Yi. As far as I know she is not an 'idiot'. If she were we would not all be sitting here discussing the I Ching on her forum.

I will link then see what I make of your answer http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...42-Blog-post-Advice-for-relationship-readings

 

[Trojina]

Good morning. I got 50>4 when i asked what he wants from me. We have not communicated in days also. Just wanted to know what he's thinking.

So that is 50.3.4>4 for what he wants from you, ( I guess if he wanted something he'd be asking you for it ? ) Um it's anyone's guess isn't it ? We could all project our feelings on to it.

My only thought is the 4 indicates someone is not really clued in, they don't know or understand the situation. But is that you or him ? Because it is you who appear to be in the dark I tend to think that refers to you. 50.3 can be quite frustrating as in we can't imbibe the full nourishment the situation potentially offers. 50.4 often crops up when someone is unpleasant or hurtful to you ?

What is he thinking about you ? I have no idea , but I suggest if he isn't calling you soon, you move on to a more reciprocal relationship. The cast appears to describe a somewhat frustrating situation (50.3) whatever was cooking is spilled (50.4) since not enough care or understanding is operating here.

But can I give any future auspice from that ? No I cannot. Relationship readings can be very ephemeral since they fluctuate so much. Can I tell you what he is thinking ? No of course I can't. All I can do is give you my impression of the cast, how and where you apply that impression is very much up to you.

In the end the best person to make sense of your reading will always be you. The I Ching is talking to you here, not us. We are just passers by saying 'maybe it's this', or 'it looks like this' but you are living it so you have to take the answer, hold it, and apply it with thought to your own life.

 

[rudemuse]

Thank you and good morning. Here it's 11:45 a.m. Los Angeles, CA. USA . I think you are right(Pocossin) and the others are not exactly wrong. I believe he wanted the control and sex but I also believed we had/have a communication problem because since he backed off, I second guess myself and am frozen. I believe he really wanted a future with me, and I still listen to the extended message he left on my phone(when he would call) expressing his desire to have me in his life but I happen to be dealing with a very sensitive Pisces who was a friend about 19 years ago and then found me on Facebook twice. I was hoping he was sincere when he expressed wanting a relationship with me but it's been hot and cold, and I blew up at him in frustration a few times about his responses matching his words and actions and he's been a little standoff-ish since and stopped doing everything that made me believe it was worth an effort to let him back into my life. He said the right thing when I needed to hear it and when I got hooked, he backed off. No calls, no texts and very quiet when he comes by. That's when I decided to try this site. Also, I am refering to him in past tense because of the reading I recieved this morning 9>24 when I asked where we stood. I just am in my 40's and don't have the energy to date or even look and he landed in my lap and I thought it was fate and meant to be. I am the type to cut a person off once we have a problem and I really don't want to delete him out of my phone/ facebook if I'm getting all this wrong, I am trying to be sure before I do it. Those 19 years ago he had a stroke after we had an arguement(guilt). Perhaps I need a psychic. I am very impatient sometimes and maybe the real question is are we going to end up working things out or not. If not let me delete him now and erase all this crap from my heart somehow. Okay, lots of info huh? Thanks for listening anyway. but yes after this mornings 9>24 reading I figured maybe it was over to return later. -Rudemuse

 

[rudemuse]

thx.

 

[innertruth]

Dear Rudemuse,
Hope things work out and you both find what you are REALLY looking for. Im sorry to hear your frustration. You should tell him about it i guess, or let him know, if you are concerned. Basic stuff.
You also answered your question that you dont have energy to date,and he was sort of a convenience to you. He could well sensed that. Imagine him not landing in your lap, would you still feel like making effort yourself?
I dont understand why are you second guessing yourself if you didnt do anything wrong. You are simply not interested. Noone is forcing you into anything. From my experience any true relationship comes from mutual love, trust and sincerity. Even for a good friendship for starters.
P.s. meanwhile, i wish you to relax, hope you feel better and meet someone more suitable!