the meaning of the single lines.

[elvis]

Hi Elvis,
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When did you read The Dice Man and how is it affecting your still today?

it doesn't, never did. I mentioned it in response to your question re use of dice.

Is Dice Man important in your views in Emotional I Ching?
If that is the source of your original impression of the I Ching then the following comments on your post may help you recover your footing:

so I can assume that your following comments are meaningless given I give no favouring of the Dice Man?

What makes neuroscience theory the source of "meaning generation" rather than Pythagorean number patterns or Yi gua? I suspect if you did original research in the generation of meaning from the identical rhythms nerve firings to all areas of the brain you would find nothing in current neuroscience that can make that leap from data to meaning without coding or language or mathematics as 'special' template.

You are wrong. I have. Basic oscillations present us with a spectrum of classes of meanings usable at all scales - the core qualities covers wholeness, partness, static relatedness, dynamic relatedness and their composites (blending, bounding, bonding, binding). The IDM material covers such (with references supporting the model)

These qualities translate to basic primary emotions or trigrams or classes of numbers in mathematics or classes of persona types on typologies and so on. IOW in IDM we can map a direct path of development of meaning from recursion of neural activities into cognition and on into emotions, symbols, and metaphors.

Neural hierarchy allows for development of abstractions that allow for communication out of the single context, concrete, existence of our basic, sense-tied, being. See diagrams in the IDM material or in the EIC (sample pdf covers such)

The XOR logical function that compares two bits to create a third where only difference is noted as 1 and similarly becomes 0. It is not inherent to any binary system such as Leibniz 18th century notion of the Yi hexagrams. It is only a means to use a computer to generate a third hexagram from any two hexagrams. Applied to a Yi Oracle it merely returns the moving lines in a Yin line matrix--trivially true.

Your ignorance of the neural correlates of logic operators is showing - as is your failure in understanding combinatronics and brain dynamics across asymmetric, anti-symmetric, and symmetric forms of information processing.

A 'lite' read may help, see such as:

Parsons, L.M., & Osherton, D., (2001) “New Evidence for Distinct Right and Left Brain Systems for Deductive versus Probabilistic Reasoning” Cerebral Cortex, Vol. 11, No. 10, 954-965, October 2001

Oaksford, M., and Chater, N., (2001) "The probabilistic approach to human reasoning" IN Trends in Cognitive Sciences Vol 5. No8 August 2001: 349-357

also consider such as:

Banich, M.T., "Hemispheric Interaction" IN p 270 Hugdahl,K., & Davidson, R.,(eds)(2004)"The Asymmetrical Brain" MITP

Banich,M., & Karol (1992) "The sum of the parts does not equal the whole: Evidence from bihemispheric processing" Journal of Experimental Psychology :Human Perception and Performance 18, 763-784

Friedman,A & Polson,M.,(1981)"The hemispheres as independent resource systems: limited capacity processing and cerebral specialisation" Journal of Experimental Psychology : Human Perception and Performance 7, 1031-1058

Passarotti, A.M., Banich, M.T., Sood, R. K. & Wang, J. M. (2002) “A generalized role of interhemispheric interaction under attentionally demanding conditions: evidence from the auditory and tactile modality” Neuropsychologia 40 (2002) 1082–1096

Lomber, S.G., & Malhotra, S., (2008)”Double dissociation of 'what' and 'where' processing in auditory cortex” Nature Neuroscience 11, 609 - 616 (2008)

Monaghan, P., & Pollmann, S., (2003) “Division of Labor Between the Hemispheres for Complex but Not Simple Tasks: An Implemented Connectionist Model” Journal of Experimental Psychology: 2003, Vol. 132, No. 3, 379–399

For additional work on dichotomies etc see such as:

http://www.dichotomistic.com/

http://thecomplementarynature.com/

For ASYMMETRIC dichotomies (aka trichotomies) where we see part/whole forms of interpretation the XOR operator brings out the expression of some part through a context described by some whole by analogy to some other part in the set of possible classes of meanings (i.e. the 64 hexagrams) - as such recursion of these forms of dichotomies present us with a SPECTRUM and so PARTS LIST of the 'universe of discourse'.

Given DEPTH in that recursion (at least hexagram level) we find the emerging ability for the set of elements defined to become self-referencing through use of logic operators (XORing etc) and so identify a phase transition in mechanistic recursion where such becomes organic. This is a property of recursion in general and as such comes up when we recurse yin/yang in particular to give us the 'binary' order of the hexagrams (which is different from the binary NUMBER order Frank)

Remember XOR is part of Boolean logic and "In 1938, Claude Shannon showed how electric circuits with relays were a model for Boolean logic. This fact soon proved enormously consequential with the emergence of the electronic computer."

That is computer science at the level of the Brainiac toy with its relays, wires, nuts and bolts that kids could assemble to play Tic-Tac-Toe.

Your above comments show how WAY out of your depth you are in this context Frank - your mindset seems to still be in the 1930s!

Your neurology make you think that computer analysis of moving lines through XOR is the Philosophers' Stone? Brain patterns are capable of far more sophistication than just recognizing differences in input. Have you really hitched your wagon to one fleeting logical operator as the Rosetta Stone of Meaning?

IDM covers ALL of the logic operators, all of which are symmetric other than the implies operator that is asymmetric. The application of these operators to classes of interpretations (symmetric, anti-symmetric, asymmetric) introduce fine details NOT covered in any current dogma of formal logic or computer science - IOW you academic friends have stuffed up in not considering the dynamics of the brain in derivation and communication of meaning - probably due to them being over-specialised, over-educated, and so too busy with the trees to be able to see the forest.

Overall, I think we have made a breakthrough here and come closer to uncovering the root of your misunderstanding.

No Frank - what we have to deal with is YOUR archaic mindset, totally ignorant of current neuroscience research and imagining that you can rave on without such knowledge! - get real Frank. YOUR ARE OUT OF YOUR DEPTH AT THIS TIME, Frank. Try harder and you may be able to leave your cage.

 

[fkegan]

Hi Elvis,

If I were looking for a reading list I have better sources than you. I am not. And you passionate insistence is just chatter to me. Sorry.

What is your connection to the book Dice Man? Have you read it or is it just all you have ever heard about dice cubes?

The rest of your comments are just the same so there is no point to bothering with them.

Earth to Elvis/CL over and out.

Frank

 

[elvis]

Hi Elvis,

If I were looking for a reading list I have better sources than you. I am not. And you passionate insistence is just chatter to me. Sorry.

What is your connection to the book Dice Man? Have you read it or is it just all you have ever heard about dice cubes?

The rest of your comments are just the same so there is no point to bothering with them.

Earth to Elvis/CL over and out.

Frank

- time to run Frank? Cant take the "truth" Frank?