The minister and the Sage

[willowfox]

Hi martin,

in English what you said was rude,insulting and vulgar.That post is history now. I have other battles to care of. See ya.

 

[hilary]

You know, I just thought,
"Maybe I should read right through Cherrypicka's thread and post something about her readings?"
I'm going to go and put my head in an ice-bucket for a while now.

 

[Trojina]

I'm English, "If my comments piss you off...." is not remotely rude, vulgur or insulting.
Its normal everyday language in England.

To say "piss off" is rude meaning "go away you **** " in a rude way.

To say "have i pissed you off ?" means "have I annoyed you" and is commonplace acceptable speech between anyone you are friendly with, though you might not say it to your boss.

To say "If my comments piss you off..." means "If my comments have annoyed you.."

Thus there is a huge difference between saying "piss off" and "have I pissed you off" or "If my comments piss you off". Only the first is rude.

It is also commonplace to say "I am pissed off" meaning I am annoyed.

Also 'piss' can be slang for urinate, which I guess is where 'pissed off' comes from.

End of off topic post.

 

[willowfox]

It might be normal common everyday language in England for the common football hooligan types like yourself trojan, but it is certainly not the type of everday language to use on this forum. No wonder England is famous for its football thugs, it seems no one there can speak proper and polite English. I suppose where you live, it is okay to use such language on your doctor or the vicar.
This is a multi-national forum, not just an English one.
You sound very common to me. You should learn how to behave properly in polite company.

 

[hilary]

Whoever said this forum was polite company?
Looks like its owner must be just another common football thug. I'm not pissed off, though, just a tad amused.

(Rosada, can we skip on to another hexagram yet?)

(Second thoughts, maybe 7 wouldn't help just now.)

 

[RindaR]

Hi martin,

in English what you said was rude,insulting and vulgar.That post is history now. I have other battles to care of. See ya.

It might be normal common everyday language in England for the common football hooligan types like yourself, <snip>
You sound very common to me. You should learn how to behave properly in polite company.

hmmm....

Rinda

 

[autumn]

I'm English, "If my comments piss you off...." is not remotely rude, vulgur or insulting. Its normal everyday language in England.To say "piss off" is rude meaning "go away you **** " in a rude way.To say "have i pissed you off ?" means "have I annoyed you" and is commonplace acceptable speech between anyone you are friendly with, though you might not say it to your boss.To say "If my comments piss you off..." means "If my comments have annoyed you.."Thus there is a huge difference between saying "piss off" and "have I pissed you off" or "If my comments piss you off". Only the first is rude.It is also commonplace to say "I am pissed off" meaning I am annoyed.Also 'piss' can be slang for urinate, which I guess is where 'pissed off' comes from.End of off topic post.

Of course. Here in the US this is exactly what this means. It's almost ridiculous to argue over it.

 

[willowfox]

Hi hilary,

which team do you support? I myself support the clarity team of old stick in the muds.
Life is not a football game, but it is still a game , don't you agree?
The signs were there, but, alas it seems many of the members here fell into the abyss.
Ain't life a **** when you've been had.

 

[autumn]

Hi hilary, which team do you support? I myself support the clarity team of old stick in the muds.Life is not a football game, but it is still a game , don't you agree?The signs were there, but, alas it seems many of the members here fell into the abyss.Ain't life a **** when you've been had.

This makes no sense. What in the world are you talking about, and how does any self-aware person feel comfortable telling a person who is gracious enough to allow you to post on her site that she has been "had"?

Am I the only person reading this and thinking, what in God's name is this supposed to mean?

 

[hilary]

I don't quite know what it means, but I think it may have been meant to be friendly, which is good enough for me.

You must send me a link to this nice, moderated forum you know of!

 

[autumn]

Those comments are completely lost on me. They just seem strange. But, if you thought they were friendly, and they were addressed to you, that's all that matters.

http://www.nodeorama.com
I am being completely non-judgmental about either forum. One of the pros of both the "rules before you post", and the unwritten rules about the tone of conversations that are allowed, is that people with serious personality problems don't manipulate the forum to get attention, and distract the purpose of discussing technical information about astrology. One of the cons is that at times, the forum can stagnate, and there is not the feeling of knowing people personally as well as there is here.

 

[rosada]

I first read the website name as "no drama.com" LOL!

 

[mudpie]

such a regulated site sounds so boring to me, no offense, Autumn.......except if you are just looking for technical info. I myself have always enjoyed the dynamics of personalities, the more diverse the better. Personality "problem" is a value judgement, altho the meaning is understood, but as a person who, among other experiences, roomed in college with bi-polar people and other colorful characters, I have to say I love color.

Polite company, willowfox?......hmmmm. It is overrated. I was once engaged to a man whose family was british. whoah! the british have a way of being so "proper" and yet so completely and hilariously irreverent at the same time. I never had so much fun.

 

[mudpie]

By the way....as long as we are on this thread of the above story...I agree with the point of the story. Sometimes, a Yi response can be beaten to death by too many questions and manipulative attempts to "understand" better, or attempts to make it stretch into a more desirable answer. Best Yi responses in my experience resonate immediately with intuitive knowing.....altho sometimes i also digest an answer for a few days.
FWIW, I found willowfox's authoriatative voice a bit refreshing at times, even tho I did not always agree with her divination. In my town- which is a kind of upscale waspy place- there is a fortune teller who has her own storefront. And she makes a bundle! she has regular clientele, who go to hear her tell them the straight-up psychic "truth." I guess the point is that many people do not want to intuit their own paths. They would rather be led by a voice that sounds authoritative and knowing.
as long as this forum provides voices of all sorts, no querent is in danger!

 

[willowfox]

Hi everybody,

my last remarks were not meant just for Hilary but for everyone who has answered my posts on this thread, you have all been had. Sorry but my sense of humour is kind of strange. Did you honestly believe that I worried about piss off? But it certainly made you guys talk a lot of nonsense.

you took my posts so seriously, well I will tell you that non of my posts on this thread were meant to be taken seriously, I like games you see especially when I am a bit bored with life. Thanks for taking part.

 

[autumn]

such a regulated site sounds so boring to me, no offense, Autumn.......except if you are just looking for technical info. I myself have always enjoyed the dynamics of personalities, the more diverse the better.

No offense taken. It's Molly's site, and that's how she wants to manage what goes on, according to her values. I don't experience the site as boring, but it is often more difficult to get a free-flow of input, because it is so grounded in taking a concept, such as, for example, the effects of a Saturn transit to the Sun, and relating it to how you personally experienced the transit. You aren't as free to speculate on what the symbols "might" mean. But on the other hand, when you make people relate what actually happened to them to the transit, then the stories are very rich and insightful, and they promote a deeper understanding of any objective meanings of the transit. That is an important assumption of the site- astrology is describing "as above so below" objectively. But- that doesn't mean this site has to follow any of the same rules.

Personality "problem" is a value judgement, altho the meaning is understood, but as a person who, among other experiences, roomed in college with bi-polar people and other colorful characters, I have to say I love color.

Yes, it is very much a value judgement to say someone has personality problems. And I am not saying Willowfox necessarily does, (because that might be assumed), by any means. I can't say that- I don't know her well enough. I have a feeling about what is "healthy" and what is not that is part of my value system, built in part through training, (and in my training, that is defined very generally as being "stuck" in one way of relating to the world) and in part through my own personal experiences. I value personalities that are able to accept feedback from others, and not necessarily change based on the feedback, but at least integrate the feedback into their own value systems. I value being able to give and take in a discussion in a way that is open and honest. I think it shows respect for other people to explain how and why you are interpreting something.

 

[willowfox]

Hi autumn,

if you knew me well enough, then you would knew that I am strange.

 

[autumn]

Me neither.

 

[mudpie]

Extremely interesting comments , Autumn. and thanks for the link to the site.

 

[autumn]

you have all been had. .... I like games you see especially when I am a bit bored with life. Thanks for taking part.

people with serious personality problems don't manipulate the forum to get attention

just an observation

 

[bruce_g]

I think there can be, and perhaps there must be, healthy value judgments. When there are no value judgments at all, anything goes. That opens the door for abuse. When abuse is tolerated, wrong value judgments are being made.

jmo

 

[bruce_g]

I mean, isn’t the I Ching about making healthy value judgments?

 

[willowfox]

Hi everybody,

debating "pissed off",

you should be ashamed of yourselves, you call yourselves diviners, you can't see the trees in the forest. You are so blinkered and what saddens me is that you are giving *advice* to people with genuine problems.
The I Ching is full of wonders that some of you will never see because you are too blind, open your minds. If you could not see that "pissed off" was just a game then, really there is not much hope for you, is there?

 

[willowfox]

Hi autumn,

this was not about manipulating the forum but to show how some members here can make such fools of themselves so easily. Do you really think that grown adults should be discussing *pissed off* on a divinatory forum? How can you believe the advice of a person who talks about absolute rubbish. How can you take advice from a person who thinks that "pissed off" is a serious subject. Yes, this about giving attention to those people.

 

[nicky_p]

Hi everybody,

debating "pissed off",

you should be ashamed of yourselves, you call yourselves diviners, you can't see the trees in the forest. You are so blinkered and what saddens me is that you are giving *advice* to people with genuine problems.
The I Ching is full of wonders that some of you will never see because you are too blind, open your minds. If you could not see that "pissed off" was just a game then, really there is not much hope for you, is there?

Don't diviners have problems? I mean isn't that called life? There'd be nothing to do otherwise? Or am I in the wrong place again? :bag:

 

[willowfox]

Hi nicky,
yes, diviners do have problems in life. And some diviners add to those problems by discussing a nonsense topic about *pissed off*, no wonder the world is so f***ed up when people are so easily sidetracked from the important issues at hand. Your certainly in the wrong place if you consider the subject of *pissed off* to be important. This is a forum about divination or are you lost again?

 

[nicky_p]

How can you take advice from a person who thinks that "pissed off" is a serious subject.

Hi Willowfox,

I'd take advice from people that thought 'pissed off' was a serious subject. I have taken advice from such people. And I've found it to be trustworthy and worthwhile. And so I think I'll continue to do so. For me I think it shows the ability to relate divination with human nature. After all it makes you think doesn't it? What's in a word?

 

[willowfox]

Hi nicky,

you wrote;
After all it makes you think doesn't it? What's in a word?

Think of what exactly? Bad smells?

What's in a word?

One hell of alot.

To each his own, nicky, to each his own.

Anyway, you have losted the story line, here.

 

[Trojina]

I think there can be, and perhaps there must be, healthy value judgments. When there are no value judgments at all, anything goes. That opens the door for abuse. When abuse is tolerated, wrong value judgments are being made.

jmo

I totally agree with the above statement. I think its more than an 'opinion' its a self evident truth.

Speaking only for myself i just don't 'get' whats happening on this forum. Only a while ago a member was banned for a week for posting 'off topic'. He kept placing replies where they were not deemed appropriate. Hilarys decision and I respect that. She pays the bills and does the work. But I don't understand why someone who goes on and on and on insulting others even when they don't retaliate, even when they try to be conciliatory is happily tolerated. A member was banned for, in my view far less offensive behaviour.

Willowfoxs comments about the English being thugs and all football hooligans whether funny or not is actually something I don't find acceptable. Yes I did laugh at it, because it was so silly, but in anycase joke or not I don't think its okay to make derogatory comments about a whole nation, race or group of people. Rarely is that kind of 'joke' meant in a 'friendly' way.
At one time comments that attacked anything personal (ie ethnic origin etc) about a member weren't tolerated.

No Willowfox you do not have a right to insult me here nor anyone else . I think you are jeering at us in a nasty way on this thread at least.

There is nothing I can do to stop you though, nothing at all. And yes if i don't like it I can leave, I know that so noone need remind me.

 

[Trojina]

It might be normal common everyday language in England for the common football hooligan types like yourself trojan, but it is certainly not the type of everday language to use on this forum. No wonder England is famous for its football thugs, it seems no one there can speak proper and polite English. I suppose where you live, it is okay to use such language on your doctor or the vicar.
This is a multi-national forum, not just an English one.
You sound very common to me. You should learn how to behave properly in polite company.

Here it is again in all its glory. BTW The English language is from England, thats why its called 'English' so if anyone can speak English properly i would think its the English don't you.

Funny if you substituted England/English in the above quote for other groups you know like Pakistani or Muslim the whole thing wouldn't be deemed so harmless would it ?

D'you know the oddest thing about this 'conflict' is that seems to be everyone now is treading very lightly around Willowfox incase we offend her or she feels 'attacked'. She on the other hand has no such scruples and believes she can say anything at all, no matter how personal ? This is 57 gone mad eh ? Hope we come to 7 some time soon.