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It's good to have the reflection, but I find I get that from contemplation pretty easily.
Well you've skipped most of the points I have made including the request that you show us why you think thisFirst, what you're saying about a tool makes zero sense to me. I said the Yi *is* the tool, so by your definition of tool, we would then ask "So what's it operating?" I'm not trying to operate the Yi, I'm looking at it from the pov of the Yi is effecting the human.
So tell us how do you find it so relevant? What do you think it's saying.Fake Question - pretending to be a basketball player
"My arms are skinny but I don't have enough time to lift before the game. Any tips on prepping for it?"
7.1,6
So, pretty relevant. The follow up:
I don't think it's splitting hairs since it's pretty central to your whole orientation to Yi. You think you can 'trick' it - look at your first post that is what you said. If you think you can trick it then you think you can manipulate it like a tool. Indeed you come to the conclusion you have operated it with your fake question. You believe you have outsmarted the oracle where if anything the oracle kindly co-operated with the game. Well, that's if it did.....you didn't write in the relating hexagram so ..... what do you make of the relating hexagram as part of your answer to your fake question?Second, no way would I ever define a tool as something that "operates" something. What like a stick shift in a car? Maybe, but tool is a broad concept about some thing manipulating another, usually with some connotation that it "fixes" or "helps" a broken or unhelped situation. Focusing on "tool" as a high concept is splitting hairs and distracting from the more important point of the Yi being a "method" (please, can we not attack "method" too, I'm just using a different word that still applies) of divination.
Someone might have the opinion it is just/only a mirror. In that case we can assume they have such an extremely limited experience of divining with Yi they know no better OR they have such a rigid concept of what Yi can be they will allow nothing but the mirror model in to their consciousness. Anyone consulting Yi for any length of time knows that whilst at times it can be a mirror it certainly cannot be limited to that function only. If it was only a mirror we wouldn't get answers that wake us up, change our minds, predict events beyond us, make us aware of factors we may not have thought of.So then I'm just asking,
If it functions like a mirror, like the moon of our psyche,
This is going to sound rude but I can't think a polite way to say this but how would you know how 'we' should treat Yi when you are 'testing' Yi through fake questions and believe you have outsmarted it? You don't 'taint the sample' as you put as it is not a sample it's a communication as this is a communication.We should not treat it like a sun.
And I think people do treat it as the source of something.
I have been testing the Yi at times to see if I could embody the mindset of a different person asking a fake question and get a relevant answer. The latest:
Fake Question - pretending to be a basketball player
"My arms are skinny but I don't have enough time to lift before the game. Any tips on prepping for it?"
7.1,6
So, pretty relevant. The follow up:
"If I can ask you fake questions, why would I trust you?"
64.1
What's the point if I can taint the sample so easily? I can come up with reasons why using the Yi is still a good idea but I don't want to assume anything in life. I don't want to assume that this tool is the most useful divination tool out there if I'm actually just misunderstanding what it's doing as reflecting a bit of my thoughts back to me. It has certainly been helpful at times, but I starting using the Yi for outward direction not inward reflection. It's good to have the reflection, but I find I get that from contemplation pretty easily.
I have no one in my life who I would in any way trust to direct me, I grew up in a cult.
Reading her first post she has already done that.I wonder if it would help to try some real readings and see what happens?
From that I deduce she has asked real questions already.It has certainly been helpful at times, but I starting using the Yi for outward direction not inward reflection. It's good to have the reflection, but I find I get that from contemplation pretty easily.
But she isn't saying she doesn't understand readings. The point is, if you read the first post, that she is saying she doesn't understand the cast about skinny arms and that is the basis of her notion that Yi is easily dupedGive it a good try, though. Even people who are convinced the I Ching is real don't understand some of their readings, especially not instantly.
I'm still waiting to hear what Yi said about prepping for the game with skinny arms. I mean this is the answer that apparently means the 'sample is tainted'Fake Question - pretending to be a basketball player
"My arms are skinny but I don't have enough time to lift before the game. Any tips on prepping for it?"
7.1,6
So, pretty relevant.
So if you had skinny arms and you didn't have time to lift to make the arms stronger what could Yi possibly say as advice for that? What alternative would there be for strengthening the arms through exercise? Apparently Yi has told you how in 7.1.6>41. This reading could be of interest to any basketball players who have skinny arms and no time to lift. What does it say to you? The thing is your theory about Yi being easily duped is totally based on this answer so it would help if there were an actual interpretation from you whereby you find it 'pretty relevant' to the plight of the skinny armed basketball player.What's the point if I can taint the sample so easily?
I don't know what the 'wow' face emoji or the tick are meant to indicate so that communication has failed.
Well every time we ask it anything we get an idea about our relation to it individually. This isn't called 'testing' it's called 'consulting the I Ching' and then leaving it open to decide if we want to go on doing it or not based on what we get out of it.By testing it we will get an Idea about our relation to it individually.
I don't know what the 'wow' face emoji or the tick are meant to indicate so that communication has failed.
I see your point. I think I probably don't understand this thread and should have stayed out of it.Reading her first post she has already done that.
From that I deduce she has asked real questions already.
Also
But she isn't saying she doesn't understand readings. The point is, if you read the first post, that she is saying she doesn't understand the cast about skinny arms and that is the basis of her notion that Yi is easily duped
(Dobro turns on his interpretation device...) The tick means 'correct' probably.
I can't tell here whether you have missed the point or not. The querent did not find the cast invalid, she found it fitted the question. But as the question was a fake one she was disappointed that she got an actual answer (she thought) and so believed she had tricked Yi. I guess you could just reread the first post rather than me rehash it.Yi can easily give a sensible answer to a hypothetical situation, I don't see how it's invalidated just because the querent herself isn't a basketball player. The reading makes sense on its own terms (I think).
Oh...aha...I can't tell here whether you have missed the point or not. The querent did not find the cast invalid, she found it fitted the question. But as the question was a fake one she was disappointed that she got an actual answer (she thought) and so believed she had tricked Yi. I guess you could just reread the first post rather than me rehash it.
What makes a thing real?
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