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Hi there

This US election has proven once more a key lesson when using Yijing for electoral matters: gaining more votes is different than winning the election. But the full lesson would be: gaining more votes, winning the election and taking office are 3 different issues.

In accordance with that, I made a Yijing consultation about Trump being sworn as POTUS which I’d like to share with the forum.

QUESTION: Would Donald Trump be sworn as POTUS this January 20th, 2017?
ANSWER: 47zhi7
SUBJECT: Donald Trump
SPIRIT OF FOCUS: Official
PALACE: Fourth generation of Zhen
DATE OF CONSULTATION: Year Bing Shen; Month Ji Hai; Day Ji Hai; Double-Hour Yi Chou; Void Chen and Si.
DATE FOR THE INAUGURATION CEREMONY: Year Bing Shen; Month Xin Chou; Day Ding Wei; Double-Hour Bing Wu; Void Yin and Mao.

From a text-based interpretation, Donald Trump is in a dynamic of ascension to power, promoted to the capital. But the nine in the third place is an ambiguous text: ascending into an empty capital. No indication for fortune, misfortune, repentance or humiliation is attached to the omen. This text can either be read as advancing without obstacles, as advancing into a tramp or as advancing into something futile. In my opinion, Bradford is the one who expresses the best the ambiguity of this line. So, applying only the text, I would say Trump will be sworn as POTUS but will find it disappointing.

From a Wen Wang Gua perspective, the answer shows Trump challenged and in a stage of “imprisonment” at the day of consultation but getting stronger by the day of the ceremony of inauguration. Nevertheless, the only active line has attached the symbol for Office (the spirit of focus, representing the job of POTUS) and the earthly branch of You (metal) and the resultant element is Wu (fire). So, the movement has contra-productive consequences. The fact that the hidden elements of Wu (fire, with relative Offspring representing misfortune brought about by irresponsibility) and Yin (wood, with relative Brother representing competitors) both can get out of hide and hurt both the subject line (Trump) and the spirit of focus (the job of POTUS) can imply either that Trump would lose the office (impeachment? resignation? not even be sworn as POTUS?) or he would be unable to fully exercise the power attached to the job.
So, using WWG I would say there is a highly chance he will be sworn as POTUS but can’t fully exercise its power and even risk to be removed from it; but I won’t complete disregard the tiny chance that something happen to prevent him to take office.

Now, it’s quite interesting the picture one can get using Xiao Liu Ren for this same inquiry. Xiao Liu Ren is a quick and simplified Chinese technique of divination, based on the month, day and double-hour of divination using not the lunisolar calendar but the lunar calendar instead. This inquiry was made on the 14th day of the 10th lunar month at the hour of Chou (second double-hour). Therefore, the three messages for the inquiry are:
First message (representing the current situation): Quarrelsome. Some key words for this are Misfortune; Lawsuit; Quarrel; Gossip; Danger.
Second message (representing what is expected to happen): Small Fortune. Some key words for this are Happy News, Fortunate, All transactions are profitable.
Third message (representing the final outcome): Void. Some key words for this one are Lack of communication; Misfortune; No results; Worries; Litigation will bring punishment.
So, applying XLR I would say Trump would get to be sworn (small fortune) but finding no accomplishment and even getting punished at the end (void).

All in all: I guess he is now as a conqueror advancing boldly to the conquered capital, but is going to face a huge disappointment. Whether that disappointment would be that he won’t take office or he would lose the job or simply be unable to exercise its power, this electoral triumph would prove to be a pyrrhic one for him.

Let's see what happens in real life
 

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Hi,

I know that you've written extensively here about 46.3, but just to make sure: Was it actually 46.3>7 or did you mean 47.4.5>7 since you say 47 in the answer....

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The national mall looked relatively empty

Advancing into an empty capital, indeed. But the omen does not end at this level. It's going to be a quite interesting year for American politics.

Trump also advances without having a government in place: only 2 of his 22 cabinet picks have been confirmed while the rest have conflicts of interest or other problems, leading the Senate to question their suitability, and he has only hired a mere 29 of the 660 people required to run his administration (50 have stayed on temporarily from the Obama administration so that the government can continue). It's an empty capital on many levels.
 

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Not sure if this would influence your interpretation but President Trump was inaugurated Friday at noon and assumed full powers of the executive branch then.
US is not parliamentary system where the pm heads the party in power. President is head of executive branch of government which is equal in power to congress and Supreme Court.
 

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Hi granma

As you can see from my post on January 21th, I'm full aware that Trump was sworn as POTUS. I'm also aware that USA is not a parliamentary system, thanks.

My interpretation was: I guess he is now as a conqueror advancing boldly to the conquered capital, but is going to face a huge disappointment

Now, I pointed at 3 possisble ways that "disappointmet" could be manifest:
a) not taking office.- obviously this one is out of chance, since he already took office
b) losing the job.- there are many reasons to lose the jos as POTUS: illness, resignation, impeachment, death, etc. We have to wait 4 years to know whether he loses or not the job
c) being unable to exercise the power.- When reading with the Wen Wang Gua method, I interpreted this unability to exercise the power as "a highly chance he will be sworn as POTUS but can’t fully exercise its power and even risk to be removed from it". NOw, of course he legally assumed full powers. But that's not what I meant. Let me clarify: this is not a legally unability to excercise power (that would be equal to losing it) but a practical one. I mean, he wouldn't be able to fulfill his agenda. Now, at this moment, that doesn't seem realistic, since he has full control of the Executive, both the House of Representatives and Senate are under Republican control, once the Legislative confirms his nomintation for the USC, conservatives would control also the Supreme Court; and at the state level there are 33 Republican governors vs 16 Democrats and 1 independent. It seems like there are no obstacles for him to fully implement his agenda (an empty city). But politics are much more than the seat in Congress and in US Supreme Court; so, we again wold need to wait 4 years to see whether he could or not fully impement his agenda.
 

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Hi 6th Relative,

My experience gives weight to Bradford's interpretation of 46.3 from his Yijing-One "This certainly seems too good to be true, and maybe a lot like a trap, or what's left of a plague." There is no longer a question of Trump being sworn in as president, but I think "disappointment" is a little off the mark regarding what he faces. To me, it suggests that danger lurks behind the scenes lying in wait for him which, when revealed over the course of time, will entangle him until he "gets off the hook."
 

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I hear you, iants girl.

I do believe as you that danger may be manifest in the future.

But in a different layer of meaning, considering how hard he and his team are trying to deny any truth to reports about very low attendence to the inauguration, well... I think he may faced some disappointmet already, with the (denied) "empty capital".

We'll see how this evolves.
 

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That's true. On the face of things, it may have been less of a crowd than he was expecting.
 

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I know it's possible to get many layers of meaning from a reading but I also think it's important to consider that an answer may be simply a straight forward response to the specific question asked. Here the question was "Will Trump be sworn in as president?" and the hexagrams describe a man ascending to an empty city - a pretty spot on image of the actual inauguration ceremony which I interpret as the I Ching saying "Yes, he will be sworn in but it will be a poorly attended show."
However, while we might take this poor attendance as an omen for things to come, I think we're on shaky ground trying to project this answer as a referring to more than the specific question asked.
m2c
 

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Hi
46.3 to me is one of the most facinating lines in the book of changes, it always reminds me mainly of Napoleons advance into Russia only to find deserted citys with nothing to really conqueor. Then having to retreat back through a Russian winter, only to be picked off by cosacks, not many survived. I would interpret this maybe as this is not an easy task or this is a fresh job that maybe, they dont know what exactly will happen.
I think the line can be quite neutral in the current sense, it depends what you do after being in the position. The line also reminds me of the eye of a cyclone, termoil around you , yet quiet as mouse from your current position.
I could also relate the line and being in a somewhat unfamiliar landscape, it could also be deserted in the sense some politicians may want to get as far away from Trump as possible, could be off with their heads.

Just some thoughts

Steve

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia
 

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Sixth Relative, when did you ask this question? Right before you posted it (on Dec. 19th, which I believe was the day the Electoral College met?), or before the election, or...?

If you asked it in December, I agree with Rosada about not reading too much into it.

I know it's possible to get many layers of meaning from a reading but I also think it's important to consider that an answer may be simply a straight forward response to the specific question asked. Here the question was "Will Trump be sworn in as president?" and the hexagrams describe a man ascending to an empty city - a pretty spot on image of the actual inauguration ceremony which I interpret as the I Ching saying "Yes, he will be sworn in but it will be a poorly attended show."
However, while we might take this poor attendance as an omen for things to come, I think we're on shaky ground trying to project this answer as a referring to more than the specific question asked.
m2c

After the election, Trump being actually sworn in was as near to a foregone conclusion as there probably is. Yes there were people who hoped the Electoral College would rebel and not elect him, but I don't think that was ever a reasonable possibility.

I can see how the reading might remind people of the crowd size, but Trump's crowd was only sparse in comparison to Obama's, possibly Reagan's, and maybe to his own hyperbole :rolleyes:. The crowd seems to have been in line with most other inaugurations.

So I'm not sure the reading was even about that. I'm guessing it might be just saying, "Of course he'll be sworn in, no reason he won't be, the inauguration will take place as inaugurations do, ho hum."

(I had this line in exactly that way once - just passing through, the event occurred, now it's over, moving right along...)
 

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I hear you, iants girl.

I do believe as you that danger may be manifest in the future.

But in a different layer of meaning, considering how hard he and his team are trying to deny any truth to reports about very low attendence to the inauguration, well... I think he may faced some disappointmet already, with the (denied) "empty capital".

We'll see how this evolves.

I think this is spot on and I would take it as an omen. After all if a city is empty one has no cause to be there, one doesn't stay there, there's no point.


Just watched the news and he is still insisting his inauguration was well attended when the pictures are there on the screen to show otherwise. Normally if a politician was found to have told an embarrassing lie he'd drop the subject and hope others would forget. Not tRump though. This makes him look completely deranged...well more so than he did already.

I think he was literally in an empty city and is also metaphorically in an increasingly empty city.

So I would read plenty into this answer and in fact it is the one political answer here that is going to stay on my mind for some time to come.
 

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Yes, it does seem to be evolving that this reading has meaning on many levels!
The state department top brass simply resigning without fanfare, not making a big political statement but just refusing to participate reminds me of the old bumper sticker, "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"
 

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The state department top brass simply resigning without fanfare, not making a big political statement but just refusing to participate reminds me of the old bumper sticker, "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"

Well, I didn't know that when I last posted. :bag:

I did just read a contrary article which says, among other things:

  • the resignees are high-level administrators, not diplomatic staff
  • it is routine for political appointees to resign when a new president takes office
  • that some resignations are accepted is also not unusual - large turnover in the State department is said to be "fairly normal" and it cites second-handedly a Clinton > Bush transition example
  • the most prominent of the resignees was already controversial (at least to the eyes of Trump people)

However - I have no idea what the political "angle" is of that website ("Vox"), and of course I don't have the slightest feel for what's normal and not.

So maybe it does change what Yi meant by the "empty city." Or not...a hallmark so far of the Trump administration certainly seems to be you don't know what or whom to believe... (I mean, when prominent administration officials prattle on about "alternative facts," which seem to be the next generation of what was previously called "spin" - can this whole "truth-ish" fad please die soon instead of getting worse? (<<naive wishful thinking)
 
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We need to remember, Napoleon actually did make it home,
I am pro Trump and no way comparing him to Napoleon,
Its the line that is almost strange, as six relative mentioned it can be ominus,

Its a turning point,

Bradford asked is the city possibly infected, ask why is the city empty???

Steve
 

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How can you be pro Trump ? He wants to reintroduce the torture of water boarding.....for goodness sake.
 

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What are you getting at re the city being infected ? Infected by what ?

As i say 46.3 is pretty obviously the small turnout for the inaugeration especially when compared to the size of the marches in protest against him all over the globe.
 

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"Political appointees chosen by the president and confirmed by the Senate were obliged, as usual, after Trump's Nov. 8 election victory, to submit letters of resignation to give the new president the opportunity to name his own people to the jobs."
From Newsweek article, a more mainstream publication than vox.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.news...tate-rex-tillerson-548901?amp=1?client=safari

I think it's safe to say that these people were fired, technically their pro forma resignations were accepted. This is a diplomatic face saving mechanism,( pro forma resignation letters, i.e.). Imhp, if they were resigning out of some moral high ground they would not have been quiet. They can say whatever they want after the fact but they were tossed out.

Article mentions wiki leaks emails of Patrick Kennedy one of the "resignees"
https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc...ges-on-clinton-email-probe.html?client=safari



Also, it's not clear if ME actually did a reading or was merely saying that (s)he thinks the acceptance of these resignations is 12 ish, like Steve saying 46.3 is lNapoleon's invasion of Moscow. Steve didn't, I don't think ask the I Ching please comment on Napoleons invasion of Moscow. He just stated 46.3 reminds him of that. So, I'm guessing ME did not do an actual reading but is merely expressing an opinion and using I Ching imagery or stories to illustrate his point. I think that partly cause ME didn't post in shared resents or exploring divination, but in open space. And also ME never says it was a reading so. Perhaps ME would like to clarify and post his actual question if it was a reading and not just an example of a hypothetical instance of how ME would interpret 12.
 

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He made it clear it was not a reading but an observation.
 

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Correct, my 12 reference was an opinion, based on what I see.
(not of this single occurence, but of the pattern of corruption, and grandiose mental illness now playing on the world stage.) Other readings helped to confirm the opinion, such as: picture of T: 18 (corrupt) his fate: 36.6 (epic fall) ...etc
 

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Trojina asks"How can you be for trump...he is for waterboarding"

Please name a national leader you support, and I will show you proof that that person has blood on their hands, whether or not you agree with their reasons for killing whomever(s). So how can you support murder?

I am not supporting torture, I also am not a head of state.

ME wrote in open "An example of 12..."
That's not clear at all that it's not an actual reading, unless irl is some shorthand for that.
But I assumed it was conjecture.
then it's one thing for Steve to say 46.3 is like Napoleon/Moscow and invite historical comparisons but quite another to state the resignations are part of the 46.3 reading (I'm not saying they couldn't be) and then to bring that opinion about 12 and tie the two together and reach the conclusion that Trojina is reaching, which is that now we can conflate ME's opinion about what the state department resignations means and imagery or story line from 12 into the 46.3 reading. If the 12 had been an actual result from a question about the resignations I would say it's a corallary of the empty city discussion but I don't think it is.
 

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I had the line when i swapped from print media to IT, i was on the cusp
To be honest i have never understood what the line means,
i am just saying thats what the line reminds me of, thats all

Trogina its an empty city, sounds boring or dangerous

Steve
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Could easily get into pure political discussion and this is SR so maybe if you want to head in that direction go over to the actual thread started by Moss Elk in Open Space.

I think pointing to other political leaders who have blood on their hands is a very weak argument. Bringing back torture in this way is a backwards step to say the least and one of many backward steps he's keen to initiate

I think you probably know much more about politics in general than I do but you don't even need to know much about politics to look at Trump, look at his face, his absurd posturing and lies, and know he really is not the person to be in the role he is in. He's a danger, ....but he won't last long is my view.

Anyway better not derail the thread so I would suggest Open Space is better
 

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I had the line when i swapped from print media to IT, i was on the cusp
To be honest i have never understood what the line means,

Steve

I've had it many times and it is as it says....there's nothing there. You are right it is a fairly neutral line, there's no augury for good or ill fortune...it just is an empty city where people once lived but don't anymore. Practically for me this has shown up when I've gone somewhere and the event was cancelled...or other times where I've expected to be 'met' by something...either resistance or welcome but there's nothing. This can feel fortunate or unfortunate. I mean if I was dreading something and got 46.3 it would be a relief but if I was really looking forward to something and got 46.3 I might be disappointed.

Trump was disappointed not many came to his (46.3) inauguration but did not have the emotional maturity to move past that and is still insisting that his inauguration was well attended when for the love of sanity we have seen the pictures ! That's what he is hung up on. ???....
 

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Ok, 18 and 36.6 about trump which are actual readings are germain but 12 isn't. To be fair ME didn't include it here but Trojina did. I'm just saying don't look at what ME said about 12 and the resignations to help actual understanding of 46.3 And will trump be inaugurated on 1/20/17 which he was.

I think the reading means he will be inaugurated don't worry about all the reports you hear about people trying to stop it. There will be no calamity.
Ok crowd size, sure, but there are plenty of reasons for trumps crowd size compared to Obama
Obama supporters live in Washington where the event took place, there was heightened security and people willingly stayed away because of the threatened danger from protestors, general fear of terrorism, also thousands didn't get onto the mall for the swearing in because of security measures, rain. But yes, more people watched this inauguration in total than any previous one.

And please, trojina, no offense, but to state rhetorically about Washington, D.C. And us government "what infection?" That's just silly. Or maybe you really are asking, in which case start from let's see, so much to chose from, how about what happened in Benghazi and why did the us ambassador there die?
 

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You wont believe it, i actually wanted to discuss this line with TIM.K , but it never happened, more personal thoughts on the line

Steve
 
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