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Could you pre-assign a line type to each number between 1 and 16, and then have the calculator generate random whole numbers between 1 and 16? That way you'd emulate the marble method exactly, using exactly 16 of something (16 whole numbers).
If the calculator can't be limited to whole numbers, how about ignoring the decimal portion? E.g. 1.0003478 = 1, 5.748327 = 5, 16.948477 = 16.
For instance (you could probably mix this up however you'd want):
1 = moving yin
2, 3 ,4 = moving yang
5, 6, 7, 8, 9 = stable yang
10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 = stable yin
In my opinion, it does not matter, as long as it is clear beforehand what is what.How much does this really matter? Does the I Ching know in advance which
outcomes from the divination process you've assigned to which lines, or
does it not work if you don't assign the outcomes to lines in the correct
way?
In my opinion, it does not matter, as long as it is clear beforehand what is what.
It is the same when you use the coin method which value you give heads and tails. Some give heads the value 3 and tails 2 and vice versa.
Both are fine as long as it is clear beforehand (and perhaps you stay consistent in using the assigned value from then on).
So there is no correct way
Yes, if you assign head the value 3 then 3x head is a moving yang line.Thanks Hans, that makes sense. So, if you are clear in your own mind which outcomes from, say, the coin method represent which lines, it should work?
Yes, but that does not only apply to the coin method. In general, yang is odd and yin is even.Thanks again Hans. So, if the lines are obtained from the coin method the yang numbers are always odd and the even ones, yin?
How much does this really matter? Does the I Ching know in advance which
outcomes from the divination process you've assigned to which lines, or
does it not work if you don't assign the outcomes to lines in the correct
way?
I'm sure you noticed already but that table had the Moving/Stable Yang switch (the 7 and 9 where correct).Thanks for replying remod. And you were right, this was the table I used;
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I did a check on the accuracy of the RND function of my calculator where I calculated a large number of random numbers (into the thousands0 and then added them together. The total I got was close to 0.5 but not exactly so, so I might look into seeding the rng as you suggest.
If it feels right then it's definitely a way to do it that way, but you don't have to focus on the question. That's another one of those Western-made rules, endlessly copied in Western translations.and for me concentrating on my question and pressing a button feels right;
I agree. Apart from the soothing swirly sound and the feeling of connection when I disturbed the marbles with my hands in the bowl, I chose the marbles because the statistical probabilities are closest to that which occur in the yarrow stalk method.Well in that case the statistical middle man would hide in the bowl among the marbles.
Any method you use to cast the lines has some statistical properties.
I belong to the faction that believes that those properties have significance and that they are part of the overall process of interacting with I Ching, but I know that others feel differently and I respect that.
I do too. It is important that connection is made through methods that we each feel are the right ones for us.Personally, in all these years, I felt a greater and greater closeness to the I Ching by using methods that I devised, possibly using objects that were dear to me. Most probably, if I still had my TI30-LCD (the first programmable calculator I ever had) I would surely try to squeeze an I Ching program into its 30 steps memory
I fully understand @Graham_Giles desire to use his old calculator.
I've got a question (actually part question, part statement) about
divination methods...
How much does this really matter? Does the I Ching know in advance which
outcomes from the divination process you've assigned to which lines, or
does it not work if you don't assign the outcomes to lines in the correct
way?
In my opinion, it does not matter, as long as it is clear beforehand what is what.
Clarity,
Office 17622,
PO Box 6945,
London.
W1A 6US
United Kingdom
Phone/ Voicemail:
+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).