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Marbles and bowl went through an eco-friendly cycle in the dishwasher and came out sparkling clean.
Inside a string bag - no noise, no flying about, no damage .You put marbles in a dishwasher ? Wouldn't they get stuck/fly about/cause damage to the dishwasher ?
That maybe so but I couldn't have provided as part of that process 5-15%: Oxygen-based Bleaching Agent, <5%: Non-ionic Surfactants, Perfume (Limonene), Enzymes, Others: Sodium Citrate, Sodium Carbonate, Polypeptide, Disodium Disilicate, Bleach Activator, Sodium Bicarbonate, Sorbitol, Bentonite, Glycerin, Sodium Gluconate.I'd have thought to show true respect you'd have washed them by hand
What difference will cleaning the marbles and bowl have on my divination practice? 19: 1.2.5 <> 8
One thing that stands out for me is the movement of the two first lines, 1, 2 - changing 19's lower trigram from Lake to Earth (Hex. 8's lower trigram). 19's lower trigram represents joy, but also your connection with the Yi - how you communicate with 'it'. And Lake is also associated with diviners and shamans (e.g. the open top line lets in communications from 'on high').What difference will cleaning the marbles and bowl have on my divination practice? 19: 1.2.5 <> 8
Hi Davidyou can now go more deeply with your practice - that (perhaps) mythically speaking you can now 'go with River Oracle's flow'.
Interestingly, looking at the Sancai - the "three realms" of Heaven, Earth and Man (humans), moving lines 1 and 2 put you exactly in the Earth Realm (the hexagram's lower two lines); which means that Earth is central to what's happening here! It's all about the Earth - or as the song says, 'it's all about the bass' (base, basis, back to basics) ...
... and decidedly there is 'No Treble' here! - no bagua Heaven - either in the Yi's words, or in any of the trigrams or nuclear trigrams; you have what Stephen Karcher might call an 'Earth Ritual' - and perhaps the marbles and bowls are your 'earth altar' (a phrase Karcher uses).
And speaking of being 'down to Earth', I think it's important to note that this ritual is about 'your' divination practice: this is something useful for you, but that doesn't make it a universally-applicable rule for the Yi - that we must then all follow.
(See below for music video ... all about that bass)
Richard Rutt names Hex. 19, 'Keeening' which is a public - and perhaps ritualistic - grieving, wailing or crying. Lines 19.1 and 19.2 are about 'tearful keening', whereas 19.5 is about 'controlling the keening'. I'm not sure exactly what this means for your query, but getting creative here:
Could 'cleaning' ones marbles (borrowing from the phrase 'losing one's marbles' - though that's not what this is about) also be about clearing out the cobwebs in your mind - perhaps even unresolved grief (again, 8's bagua water/abyss) - and that this ritual allows you the time and a means to do this. (Or maybe that along with the marble cleansing, you also need to clear out these cobwebs?)
So, the overall movement - this ritual of cleansing - takes you from a place of 'Keening' to one of 'Joining' (Rutt's Hex. 8) - a closer, grounded, more joyful connection with the Yi.
This ritual will not change what the Yi says to you (or how the marbles, or coins 'land'), or how it responds to your queries, but through this ritual, you may be in a better place to hear and understand what the Yi saying.
PS - I have 16 wooden disks (instead of marbles) that are like wooden nickels. I keep them in a half-pint cottage cheese container, though I haven't used them for casting in a long time. I also have 42 small pebbles I collected at near-by beaches, and I do use these quite often for casting, in a style similar to how they are used in Tibetan divination. I keep them in a small metal container - a 'tin' - that people sometimes use holding herbs, or in my case, etching inks! These stones usually - but not always - give me more moving lines, so if I'm feeling frisky, or adventurous, or just moody or defiant, I may use them.
And now for a bit of fun - 'and every inch of you is perfect from the bottom to the top":
Hi TrojinaIt seems washing the marbles honours the process and carries more light and intent than one might imagine, and marbles are things of light. It's as if it was work/preparation(19) that reunified you and Yi.
Oh I can't help but note the yang pattern is 60 and the yin pattern 56 and yet I have nothing intelligent to say about that.
Sometimes these kinds of actions carry far more import than we imagine.
Not long ago I was trying to do some written work and I had the most insistent and repetitive thought that everything would flow easier for me if I moved my table to the far corner of the room which was at that time thoroughly constipated with books, bookshelves and papers and so on. 'Too much work' I thought and besides what difference does it make where the table is? The thought would not leave so I obeyed it.
I moved all the shelves and found I had many books that just had no relevance for me anymore and got rid of them. I cleared the constipated corner. I had electrical sockets fitted so I could light up the corner. I moved the table and positioned myself in the corner, a completely different view. I moved the furniture all around the other end of the room also. I felt ordered and focused and more peaceful and I got the written work done quickly and done well. So it worked.
So if you had the urge to wash your marbles something's going on, something's changed by that act. I wonder if simply obeying what can seem like just a minor urge for change does 'honour the process' and allows other things to come through.
I think 184.108.40.206>8 looks like honouring the process though I know it's a cliche but it works here similar to how moving the table did for me
Would you be able to explain your understanding of yang pattern and yin pattern as these are not things that I regularly work with. If you can do that it may help me to join some dots to 60 and 56.
Whats happening here is 60.My understanding is a bit vague, possibly because the patterns aren't anything really fixed. In her course on them Hilary says they can be what the reading is about in objective terms. The yang pattern what's happening here, what this is about and the yin pattern a way to proceed through that.
Not a whole lot, though I do like the reading. I had a 19 reading once that seemed to be commenting on the use of marbles and bowl for divination - except this one was outdoors, and the 'bowl' was a natural indentation in the ground, just the right size, that happened to be just where I was sitting. 19 looks to me very much like the marbles in the bowl.I'd like to see if @hilary has any other ideas here about the patterns here ?
That's the thing I don't really have a clue about the change patterns. Please don't assume there is any 'As you know' involved. It does sound like a bit of articulating from Hilary would oil the wheels here.I guess it's important to stress we mustn't make the change patterns into answer or as advice in the way the answer can be.
As you know the change patterns are always complements/opposites. They slot into one another perfectly - that wasn't always obvious to me.
I think Hilary puts the yin pattern significance as something like 'this is where there's space for the yang pattern to act upon/within'. If the yang pattern impacts onto things the yin pattern makes a space for the yang to act. So here 56 gives 60 space to work through. What are those toys called where there's all these filings and if you put your hand on one side all the pins come out in the exact same pattern on the other side....like that
I think how to use the yang/yin patterns is still very open to experimentation so I'm not dead fixed on how to use them but they have to be an added dimension and I feel, as Hilary says, they are the more outer reality, not necessarily anything to do with your perceptions but a more objective picture of what this reading is about, here Measuring and Travelling.
It begs the question of whether you travel with your marbles.
Alfred Huang's commentary on the hexagram and the changing lines does make for interesting reading for this divination and his 'ending in the eigth month' wording does sit well in this context. I get a sense of the washing of the marbles being a right action completed at the right time. This was an act of free will on my part and by doing this as a first step, this act becomes a nucleus for further 'growing and advancing' in 'preparing oneself to be great, a leader' (Huang's words in italics). An ending of one age and the beginning of a new cycle.Hex. 19, Approaching, has in its Judgement this phrase that I have never fully understood:
"..... ends in the eighth month, misfortune comes".
The eighth month is September in our calendar. I've read all kinds of explanations concerning this eighth month and nearly all of them with each their explanation.... But anyway in this reading it
seems maybe to fit with this cleaning of the media used (marbles) before the arrival of this eighth month.
PS: I find though Alfred Huangs explanation, from which I've quoted above, satisfying.
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