What does my instinct tell me about this? 2.3.4 to 62

[Fortuny1889]

Dear translucent community,
I need your intuition to understand this reading, because it seems to me that on a certain matter I have thought too much and I can no longer contact my instinct.

Indeed my question was this:
What does my instinct tell me about the relationship with this person?
Answer: 2.3.4> 62

Do you know when your eyes don't get too close to an object? Here it is. I feel so with my instinctual part. The precious sensors of subtle communication no longer light up. But only on this topic. Consequently the answer seems to me to be illegible or in any case difficult to bring back to my experience.

Hexagram 2 is indeed a boundless land for the small bird of 62 that would like to take a more daring flight than its possibilities.

Thanks to anyone who will be challenged with this reading ...
F.

 

[diamanda]

What does my instinct tell me about the relationship with this person? 2.3.4 > 62

You do know fully well what's going on (2.3, bringing things to an end) but you decide to tie it all up and hide it away (2.4) so maybe a bit of a denial. 2 is female and passive, 62 is way too female and way too passive, to the point of passive aggression.

Even you asking the question, "what does my instinct tell me", is a red flag in itself. Instinct means that we know something, we just know it, based on signs that our subconscious clearly sees, but our consiousness doesn't. Line 2.3 mentions, "hidden lines but you are able to guess". Then the next line obscures this knowledge.

You already know but you're trying to hide it from your own self, and being too passive about it.

 

[Fortuny1889]

What does my instinct tell me about the relationship with this person? 2.3.4 > 62

You do know fully well what's going on (2.3, bringing things to an end) but you decide to tie it all up and hide it away (2.4) so maybe a bit of a denial. 2 is female and passive, 62 is way too female and way too passive, to the point of passive aggression.

Even you asking the question, "what does my instinct tell me", is a red flag in itself. Instinct means that we know something, we just know it, based on signs that our subconscious clearly sees, but our consiousness doesn't. Line 2.3 mentions, "hidden lines but you are able to guess". Then the next line obscures this knowledge.

You already know but you're trying to hide it from your own self, and being too passive about it.

I know that my unconscious knows. But my conscience does not capture and here is the block. I know this and that's why I asked the book, to have an open channel with the unconscious.
But this answer gives me the ball back.

 

[rosada]

2.3 There is a vibe between the two of you and you may feel there is some unfinished business to bring up to date but you are warned against starting anything new.
2.4 Best not to focus on this.

62. Is Thunder echoing in a Mountain pass so you may be being told you are prone to hearing more in his words than was intended.
As the resulting hexagram I've found 62 to mean taking care of the polite niceties of wrapping things up - like leaving a tip or saying, "I'll always think of you as a friend."

I think your instincts are not telling you much because there isn't much here to tell. Perhaps you have minor contact with each other but unless and until there is a significant new display of purpose and intention you should probably be polite, take care of any real business between you and not assume there is more to it.

 

[Trojina]

Dear translucent community,
I need your intuition to understand this reading, because it seems to me that on a certain matter I have thought too much and I can no longer contact my instinct.

Indeed my question was this:
What does my instinct tell me about the relationship with this person?
Answer: 2.3.4> 62

Do you know when your eyes don't get too close to an object? Here it is. I feel so with my instinctual part. The precious sensors of subtle communication no longer light up. But only on this topic. Consequently the answer seems to me to be illegible or in any case difficult to bring back to my experience.

Hexagram 2 is indeed a boundless land for the small bird of 62 that would like to take a more daring flight than its possibilities.

Thanks to anyone who will be challenged with this reading ...
F.

Is it this person you wrote of here ? From that- man giving you signals at work, dropping hints about apples whilst not actually doing anything to really connect with you outside work- I'd say it's an old story of 'the games men play at work' and they need to teach girls in school about it so universal is the story.

I don't think you do really know what's going on. In line 4 the bag is tied, nothing is getting in nor out, it means you can't really pass a judgement on it since it's not open to scrutiny. Things develop in the dark and quiet and you don't know what's to come.


Sentence is 'Receptive's Small Exceeding' feels to be to do with being very careful as things start to manifest in 2 and certainly a caution to have no ambition about this. The encounter may be enough in itself without further external development.

 

[Fortuny1889]

Rosada, in fact there are words that are not as interpreted. more than anything else, speeches, dialogues I attend and that should move me because I'm involved and they are also sad arguments but I feel nothing. I don't know what to think anymore, because I know there is something behind it but I don't take it anymore.
The image of the bird that echoes between the mountains is very evocative for me.
And it is true, there is one thing to finish, or rather left in half and that neither of us can take in hand and really start it. It's the separation from my husband.

And here I answer to Trojina
My question was about the speeches he makes to me, with tears in his eyes he speaks to me of his despair...and I hear nothing but words without emotions. And I wonder, and I asked the book, why is it with him like that?
Infuse it always was, but first I believed what he said. I don't believe him anymore.
Now I no longer believe in his stories and I realize that there are no emotions. As Rosada says there is nothing there.

The question I ask myself sometimes is if there is another woman. I don't know, I don't sense anything there. On this matter, I reflect and make assumptions for a year. The feeling is buried under the speculations now and what I feel is a great void that I observe in search of a signal.

And here I see line 4 in all its significance. that closed sack is narrow thought, bound as indestructible, tangled up in itself.

Thank you all for your time,
F.

 

[Trojina]

And here I see line 4 in all its significance. that closed sack is narrow thought, bound as indestructible, tangled up in itself.

But line 4 isn't that at all. Line 4 does not signify narrow thought, it's more something that can't be acted upon yet because it's hidden.

As Rosada says there is nothing there.

I don't know if she did actually say that but there's no way one can take the cast of 2.3.4>62 and say it means there's nothing there.

The way you take the answer is going to depend hugely on the context which you haven't really given. So I thought it was about the apple guy but there's also your husband you said you might divorce. I do think mine and others interpretation would change according to the actual situation. There's no static meaning here, so there's going to be a big difference if this is about your husband or about someone you aren't so close to.


In any case you can't look at this cast as 'there's nothing there'. I mean there may be nothing there but you couldn't really just take that from the cast.

 

[Fortuny1889]

Thanks Trojina,
things change depending on the context ..

The context of the question is this: I, who want to divorce, my husband, however, would not want because for him it would be devastating from every point of view, above all economic. As often happens one of the two is more disadvantaged.
My question came from the fact that when he talks to me about himself and his future complicated by my decision, he cries but I don't feel for him a real pain for the love that ends. It seems like a staging. This makes me feel guilty because I think I should believe his tears ... It is here that my thoughts twist.

I asked the book why I don't feel anything, why don't my recipients turn on empathy? Have I thought too much about our situation?
The answer left me with no meaning to help me understand what is behind his behavior, and why I don't take it.
So, after reading Rosada (maybe there was a linguistic misunderstanding ...) I thought that there is nothing there in the sense of there is no genuine emotion on his part, that's why I don't feel.

The line 4 explained by you I understand a little better now. It is much less symbolic and more direct: something hidden that cannot be acted upon. This makes me think of the feeling that has always accompanied my marriage: as a part of my husband's life that keeps me hidden. Perhaps it is something factual or it may be his privacy that did not allow our souls to come into a more intimate contact.

 

[mandarin_23]

Hi Fortuny 1889,
there might definitvely be a message of leaving heavy emotions etc. out of the game. There are things just to endure and to take as they are. Even emotions! With 2 and the two changing lines 3 and 4, the Situation calls for inner strenghth, but also patience. Maybe especially 2.4. describes your own emotional coolness, there seems to be nothing bad about this. However, good to also have a look on relating hexagram 62. Think about all the details! And there might be a way to do the best to be as correct as you can be. Yes, also financial issues!
All the best, mandarine

 

[rosada]

Ah, okay, knowing a bit more of the background I would look at these hexagrams as saying
2.3 You know what the situation is, what your feelings are, so now you just need to bring things to completion with your husband ("king") and not let further conversation start up anything new.
2.4 Nothing he's saying or doing is stirring your feelings. (I'm not seeing this line as commenting on whether or not his tears or pleading is authentic, just that that's not making a difference. You already know what your instincts have told you which is that you're done.) ( I once got 2.4 as a description of the body bag used for removing a corpse.)
62. Attention to Detail. Although we've been commenting on how this hexagram refers to all the details involved in bringing a situation to completion, it also is helpful to consider what it means as the partner to 61. Inner Truth. Note how the Image for Attention to Detail says the superior man goes a bit further than is required in various critical life situations. The idea is that when one has a strong awareness of the Inner Truth of a situation it's appropriate to act on your inner faith even if that seems unusual given the outer circumstances. For example if you know in your heart the marriage is over than you can be more patient, kinder than would be expected with your husband as he works to accept this reality because you know being patient doesn't cost you anything, it's not going to change your intention. So Attention to Detail means going a little bit further - be a bit kinder, be a bit more courageous, whatever - based on your 61.Inner Knowing.
Act on what you feel in your heart is true.

 

[my_key]

Here's a slightly different tack based on your instinct being the key focus or your question. In essence there is a good alignment with much of what has already been posted here. I hope this different perspective adds some value for you.

What does my instinct tell me about the relationship with this person?
Answer: 2.3.4> 62

Your instinct has been working in a field from which the small bird has already flown. On its departure the bird left behind all that you needed to know about the relationship with this person, and therefore there is no longer a need to use, rely on or feel things instinctively. The proper place for your instinct right now is to fly low. Because of this it is a time to stay grounded, stay small and focus on the practicalities of what comes in front of you each day.(62)

You may not recognise this completely, however, your instinct has become overwhelmed by all that has gone on in and around you, and all that you have asked of it. It is telling you that it has been over-worked while looking for the deeper answers and dealing with the matters around the relationship and so has taken a step back into hiding. The situation around your instinct is telling you all you need to know about the relationship. It is difficult time for you when you are not able to call on its services, however, there is an inner rebalancing underway that will allow you to access your intuitive understanding of things again soon. Put the things that have overwhelmed your instinct behind you. Focus your attention towards the practicalities and the new order you’d like to see in your visible life and less on the invisible world around.(2.3)

This outward facing focussing will give your instinct a period of respite and as your inner healing progresses this will allow things to change on the outside. The wild thoughts and imaginings you carry need to be bundled away in a big black sack and not allowed out to play. The empathic, intuitive and instinctive guidance you have relied on is still there. Clear the outer debris of your current circumstances and your inner instinctual world will become clearer again.(2.4)

Be gentle on yourself and others. Recognise that you do not need to make the running in this matter and you’ll be surprised at how your life will change around you. Notice the small prompts that begin to come forward from your instinct as things begin to take on a new form, however, make wise choices on how you act on them or integrate them into the unfolding events of your life.(2)

Good Luck

 

[Fortuny1889]

Here's a slightly different tack based on your instinct being the key focus or your question. In essence there is a good alignment with much of what has already been posted here. I hope this different perspective adds some value for you.

What does my instinct tell me about the relationship with this person?
Answer: 2.3.4> 62

Your instinct has been working in a field from which the small bird has already flown. On its departure the bird left behind all that you needed to know about the relationship with this person, and therefore there is no longer a need to use, rely on or feel things instinctively. The proper place for your instinct right now is to fly low. Because of this it is a time to stay grounded, stay small and focus on the practicalities of what comes in front of you each day.(62)

You may not recognise this completely, however, your instinct has become overwhelmed by all that has gone on in and around you, and all that you have asked of it. It is telling you that it has been over-worked while looking for the deeper answers and dealing with the matters around the relationship and so has taken a step back into hiding. The situation around your instinct is telling you all you need to know about the relationship. It is difficult time for you when you are not able to call on its services, however, there is an inner rebalancing underway that will allow you to access your intuitive understanding of things again soon. Put the things that have overwhelmed your instinct behind you. Focus your attention towards the practicalities and the new order you’d like to see in your visible life and less on the invisible world around.(2.3)

This outward facing focussing will give your instinct a period of respite and as your inner healing progresses this will allow things to change on the outside. The wild thoughts and imaginings you carry need to be bundled away in a big black sack and not allowed out to play. The empathic, intuitive and instinctive guidance you have relied on is still there. Clear the outer debris of your current circumstances and your inner instinctual world will become clearer again.(2.4)

Be gentle on yourself and others. Recognise that you do not need to make the running in this matter and you’ll be surprised at how your life will change around you. Notice the small prompts that begin to come forward from your instinct as things begin to take on a new form, however, make wise choices on how you act on them or integrate them into the unfolding events of your life.(2)

Good Luck

Thanks my_key,
your post gives me a more intimate reading of the answer, and is closer to a subjective and intimate view of the situation.

When you say that my instinct has been overloaded, yes it's true. They have been months of silent investigation within me, of expectations and of great courage of the conscience to arrive at accepting what I knew to be my path. I don't know if I can explain myself ...

I also asked another question. Very simple: how can my life be after separation?
25.3.4 to 37

I also link it to your intervention.
I will lose something and perhaps in the loss I will gain (line 3) my authenticity (line 4).
Certainly there are energies not to be wasted in the old situation, because elsewhere, in the new place in the world, it will be worthwhile to invest my energy.
I also hope to have fun.

All the best,
F