What does the Cauldron mean about love and relatioships?

[davina]

Cheers,

I am new to the Oracle..or should I say, the Oracle is new to me?

There is so much information on the site about the hexagrams but reading the meaning behind each line seems like the easy part, the hard part is trying to understand and interpret it as it relates to my life or my questions.

The Cauldron is an especially nice hexagram, the lines are almost loving and beautiful. But, I can't find the practical meaning in them!

There is someone that wants to contact me. I mentioned him in my other post last week. When I asked the IC, "what does he want to say to me?" I got:

50.1.3.6


Six at the beginning means:

A Ting with legs upturned.

Furthers removal of stagnating stuff.

One takes a concubine for the sake of her son.

No blame.

Nine in the third place means:

The handle of the Ting is altered.

One is impeded in his way of life.

The fat of the pheasant is not eaten.

Once rain falls, remorse is spent.

Good fortune comes in the end.

Nine at the top means:

The Ting has rings of jade.

Great good fortune.

Nothing that would not act to further.

I think I understand the first line - it seems to be saying that communcation stops the stagnation? But why the "taking a cocubine for her son" line?

The second line seems to make sense too, I think. It seems to be saying that he wants to tell me that he is "impeded"?

I'm not sure.

Line three I don't understand at all. Is it telling me what to do? How to respond? Or it is still answering my main question of "what does he want to tell me?".

Isn't this hexagram mainly about resources? I'm a bit confused so any wisdom would be helpful!

cheers,

Davina

 

[willowfox]

I asked the IC, "what does he want to say to me?" I got: 50.1.3.6

I was wondering if he wants to marry you? Perhaps he feels his life is empty or wasted without you, he wants you to be his partner?

 

[strawberry_blood]

Hi Davina,

First of all, Willowfox has a lot more experience with the IC interpretation - I was just editing the post when I noticed he'd already replied to you, so I'd pay more attention to what he says. I'm still going to post my view and hope you update us on what happens next so we find out who was closer to the truth -it certainly helps us all learn!

I'm by no means an expert but will throw my 2 pence in as I've had some fresh experience with hexes 50 and hex 54, the relating hex.

To explain the way I see your answer, I first have to mention I follow the rule of reading the I Ching hexs as given by Dr Wang Yang and Jon Sandifer in their "The Authentic I Ching" book. It has really helped to make sense out of a few conflicting changing lines.

The rule is as follows:

- when no line changes, look at the original hex and read the text on it;
- when one line changes, look at and read the text on the changing line;
- when two lines change, look at and read the text on the upper one among the two changing lines in the original hex;
- when three lines change, look at and read the text on both hexs, original and final, regardless of the text on the changing lines ( I take it as the evolution of the situation from A to B)
- when four lines change, look at and read the text on the lower one among the two non-changing lines in the final hex;
- when five lines change, look at and read the text on the non-changing line in the final hex;
- when six lines change, look at and read the text on the final hex.

This forum has in fact taught me to be a bit more flexible with Dr Yang's system, but I still stick to the following principle: one or two changing lines - look at both, but if they are in conflict/unclear, go for the top one. Three changing lines or more - definitely go with Dr Yang's system.

So, in your case, it's hex 50 the Cauldron changing to hex 54 The Marrying Maiden. The question being what does the guy wnat to tell you, it seems to translate into him wanting to interact with you (hex 50) to tell you about his present constraints/difficult situation, how he's stuck between a rock and a hard place, that kinda stuff .Possibly, the excuses as to why he can't be with you right now.

I don't know if this rings a bell?

Looking forward to your reply :bows:

 

[willowfox]

First of all, Willowfox has a lot more experience with the IC interpretation - I was just editing the post when I noticed he'd already replied to you, so I'd pay more attention to what he says.

I don't know why but when I looked at the answer, marriage just jumped out at me, so I quickly typed it up.

 

[strawberry_blood]

Dear Willowfox,

I'd trust you since you're a fortune-teller and I'm a pissed-off woman who's just broken up with a guy full of rubbish excuses !!!

It will be extremely interesting to find out what transpires

 

[rodaki]

hi all,

thought I'd add my two pence in this too . .
I agree with Willowfox, I think there is a strong engagement here. I read 50.1,3,6 to 54 as saying 'His heart's inner beauty and strength shows he is engaged'
Not sure Davina if this talks about you or not though . .
I reached my reading by using Lofting's XOR method, where hex.50 goes through the qualities of hex.22 and turns out hex. 54.
The reason I mention 22 is because it is the hexagram that has lines 1,3,6 (your changing, dynamic lines) as its yang ones.

I don't get all the specifics of Lofting's method but I've found it helpful in multiple line readings, although it can be mind-numbing when I don't understand very well the meanings of hexagrams on their own.
Other than that, I've found it a very visual way of reading -just visualize your first hexagram as if all unchanging lines fade out (yin) and your changing ones come forth (yang) and thus you get the hexagram which acts as the catalyst in the change from your first to your relating hexagram

Thus, his heart's (50) inner beauty and strength shows (22) that he is engaged (54)
Again, this is just another way of interpreting your answer form the Yi, not in any way a guaranteed outcome

Anyway, hope this helps! do let us know how things will unfold!

 

[davina]

The background is that he was living with his girlfriend, then met me and we fell in love and he was splitting with her. He moved out of her place. Then she showed up pregnant two months later.

I left and then he moved back in with her.

The for the past year we have stayed in touch almost every day. Chatting, writing, telephoning.

But she found out about it and he confessed everything to her. She told him he not only had to break all contact with me but also with his two best friends (one of whome is the god-father to his baby now) because his two best friends know me and have "encouraged him to be with me". So now he stopped communicating with them too and is in "couples therapy" with her.

So he did call yesterday. He called from the train station.

He was VERY different..like he had prepared for the call. He kept repeating (at least 10 times..seriously) "I don't have a choice". He would insert this at the end of almost all of his sentences like, "I would like things to be different but it's not like I have a choice" or "There is no other choice", and "I just don't have a choice here!"

It was strange.

He talked like a robot, very rehearsed.

The only time he showed any naturalness was when I asked him, "don't you miss your friends?" and he answered, "Of COURSE I do but it's not like I have a choice!"

He told me that he "had to make the sacrifice or face loosing everything that he cares most about".

He said that if he is forced to choose between his child and his family then "there is no choice".

That was, obviously,..the main theme of the 10 minute conversation.

Finally I said to him, "apparently you matter to me more than I matter to you. So that will be my closure". He remained silent.

Then we just said goodbye.

 

[davina]

Hey!

I tried to be proactive and asked the I ching: "Will I meet someone to share my life with this year?"

And it answered

The Marrying Maiden

54 Line 2 and Line 4 leading to Hexagram 24



Nine in the second place means:

A one-eyed man who is able to see.

The perseverance of a solitary man furthers.

Nine in the fourth place means:

The marrying maiden draws out the allotted time.

A late marriage comes in due course.



Does this mean I won't marry until many years from now?!!!

 

[willowfox]

Does this mean I won't marry until many years from now?!!!

No. It means you won't find that someone special this year.

 

[bamboo]

hi all,

Other than that, I've found it a very visual way of reading -just visualize your first hexagram as if all unchanging lines fade out (yin) and your changing ones come forth (yang) and thus you get the hexagram which acts as the catalyst in the change from your first to your relating hexagram

so that's how to make some sense of Chris loftings method! thats helpful.

thanks Rodaki!!

 

[Sparhawk]

so that's how to make some sense of Chris loftings method! thats helpful.

thanks Rodaki!!

LOL! Somebody was paying attention...

 

[rodaki]

 

[strawberry_blood]

Dear Davina,

Thank you for sharing the outcome with us - so he did call with excuses, after all...Sorry he's done this to you, but by the sounds of it you held yourself in a dignified manner, and the way you've handled the break-up will matter the most once you're over the initial pain of it. I've just been through exact same thing myself, though in my ex-guy's case the "insurmountable obstacle" was a self-imposed relocation to a different country. All right, their loss

As a post-break up remedy I'd recommend Marie Forleo's book "Make Every Man Want You - How To Be So Irresistible You'll Barely Keep From Dating Yourself!". Despite the downright corny and gimmicky title, its main focus is restoring your zest for life, I'm finding it a real rescue remedy!

Love & hugs

 

[bamboo]

Dear Davina,

Thank you for sharing the outcome with us -


As a post-break up remedy I'd recommend Marie Forleo's book "Make Every Man Want You - How To Be So Irresistible You'll Barely Keep From Dating Yourself!". Despite the downright corny and gimmicky title, its main focus is restoring your zest for life, I'm finding it a real rescue remedy!

Love & hugs

I like that advice, Hooliganetta! May I also suggest The Art of Being a Woman: An Everyday Guide to LOve and Laughter by Veronique Vienne

and....altho it is based in New York City, Mama Gena's School of Womanly Arts offers some great classes, daily emails and some good stuff on the wonderful (lost?) art of eroticism. I think all women ( and their suitors) will really delight in Mama Gena's guidance
BTW, I think this guy was right....he doesnt have much choice if he wants to be a stand=up guy for the child....i guess he figures it is worth a shot to try with the mom, and unfortunately for you and he, the timing was off. BUt 54.4 bodes very well for the future of your love life , it could be with him, who knows? BUt for now, thiss shows that he has some character and integrity....even tho it is painful for you...be at peace. your day will come

 

[rodaki]

dear Davina,

me too thinks you've got a hopeful answer from Yi in your 54.2,4 answer . . it might feel lonely and sad at first but there is light at the end of the tunnel (could also be the same light you fell has abandoned you now)

aw, I guess this tastes bittersweet but hang in there, change WILL come

(oh and sorry if my laughing post earlier seemed a bit rude . .
and thanx back to Bamboo )

rodaki