What is the potential if I keep going to this shrink (psychoanalyst)? 50.2>56

[Olga Super Star]

At first I thought this was a brilliant cast: 50.2>56 positive, enemies won't be able to attack me any more
50 is learning and transformation, so I thought the potential with keeping on going to this shrink was trasforming myself and become so strong that envious people won't get the chance to harm me any more.

I've been into therapy with this shrink for two years now and the word he uses the most is 'envy' and that people envy me. So I thought "it fits!"

But then I came across a reading here in the forum where many experts suggested that it's not so positive a reading, that this envy is happening between the two people involved.
So I thought maybe the shrink is envious and it's not a good omen?

Of course I will follow my inner feelings as to whether to continue to see him or not. In the meantime we sort of quarreled last week and I wrote him a very clear letter saying I'm fed up with his continuous commenting on my friends and telling me his life and suggesting me things to do and just interrupting me while I speak.

It strikes me that when I cast two days ago after a terrible depression nightto know if this crisis had something to do with food I had got 50.2.5>33

 

[Trojina]

yes right, so you keep on getting 50.2 it may be a particularly important message covering many aspects of your life


Seems to me cognitive behavioural therapy would be more use to you than in depth analysis because it is what you tell yourself that seems to affect you.

However I don't know you well so I could be wrong there.

 

[Trojina]

At first I thought this was a brilliant cast: 50.2>56 positive, enemies won't be able to attack me any more
50 is learning and transformation, so I thought the potential with keeping on going to this shrink was trasforming myself and become so strong that envious people won't get the chance to harm me any more.

In 50.2 people cannot hurt you anyway...they cannot spoil what you have.

I've been into therapy with this shrink for two years now and the word he uses the most is 'envy' and that people envy me. So I thought "it fits!"

It is a meaningless thing to say that 'people envy you'. What people where ? Why would they ? Maybe some people do but not all people everywhere. This just feeds into your paranoia and belief that everyone is more interested in you than they are in themselves.

 

[Olga Super Star]

I agree and in the letter I wrote him I told him that his saying that people envy me is not taking me anywhere. It's just he and I chatting and saying "oh, the world is so nasty to me".

Generally speaking I fear being envied because it has happened that envious people have harmed me in a sort of way in the past. That might have stopped me from doing things at my best, because I unconsciously want to avoid envy from others. In therapy it came out that my Mom is also envying me (but maybe all mothers envy their young daughters).
So the message is probably saying "go on and do what you want to do at your best, and even if people envy you they won't harm you"

 

[Tohpol]

It's always a tricky one to jump into someone's therapy and advise going in another direction but with due caution and taking my opinion as only an opinion:

I do agree with Trojina. Further, psychoanalysis is a very particular type of therapy which I personally think is extremely flawed. (He sounds like a Classic freudian). Cognitive Behavioural Therapy on the other hand, has an excellent track record which also has a neurological basis backed up with workable and validated results. Psychoanalysis has no such record based as it is on highly subjective evaluations which are hit and miss, to say the least.

Sounds like you are moving on and up in 50.2 is illustrating that you are indeed protected. And YOU are doing the protecting.

Onwards and upwards!

 

[Olga Super Star]

Ok since you suggested it..

What can Cognitive Behavioural Therapy bring me? 41.2.6>24

24 in my experience has been analysis. When I first cast back in 2009 about a question on therapy I had got 24 and my friend (at the time he was learning) said that it was a going back to oneself.

So that's the environment.
The lines would suggest me that if I embark in a new thing I would risk losing what I have gained somewhere else. Does it make sense?

 

[Trojina]

I think 41.2 suggest no need for big sacrifices. Psychoanalysis is a wopping big sacrifice of time and generally money too. 41 is all about simplifying, putting in less of something. 41.6 is a line I like...it says something like 'one does not find a home but one does find many servants'. This is good because you don't want to settle down and make a home in therapy, you want therapy to lead you on to new possibilities in life. 'Servants' can be all kinds of new options for getting help.

Having said that, it is risky as Topal said, for us who don't know you, to urge you in any direction here. 41.6 is a line of new exploration so I think you should explore this, see what options there are.

You cannot go through life with thoughts like "I am a failed actress" in your head. That's like carrying poison. Cognitive behavioural therapy can teach you new ways of talking to yourself about what happened that are far more sustaining and life affirming.

 

[Olga Super Star]

But 50.2>56 was it that negative? My friend has always said 50 is a good hexagram to get.

 

[Trojina]

With this you must do as you think best.




Overall probably best to forget what the friend says and start learning for yourself.

 

[Olga Super Star]

Yesterday I went to see my shrink and we talked about the letter I had written to him (a frank letter, the ones I usually write)

So today I did another cast: what are the consequences if I stay with him? 52.4>56

Again this 56! The foreigner or the wanderer.. someone who is not home.

I had got 50 in the previous reading, then there has been a shock between us (51) (my telling him I was thinking about leaving and my letter), then now 52. So I'm progressing. I mean life is. Cool.

52 is stay still but actually I've interpreted as absolute calmness. Your body won't move anymore. It seems positive to me.

But it strikes to me the difference with 41.2.6>24 where 24 is the analysis (I had got this also 6 years ago when starting) and where you find yourself while in 56 you keep walking, you don't find yourself, you are a guest.

 

[Olga Super Star]

Since I'm being pressed to update this thread I will update it. :demon:

The update is that there's nothing to update as I didn't continue to see that shrink nor I went to look for a cognitive behavioural therapist. So I don't really see what people can learn from this update as I dropped both options..
I'd rather spend my money on dance classes at the moment

 

[Trojina]

Well what they learn is that you dropped both options.

You know we get to link, see or understand what actually happened or what you did with the answer you got from the I Ching

That is the point of the forum....learning for all. No point just writing questions, people answering and then the person never letting us know what happened.


If it takes pressure to update then don't bother. I resent you calling it pressure anyway. I asked you because I am interested in how I Ching readings play out. If you don't want to don't do it.


Ideally of course you might describe how you think these answers Yi gave you manifested. 50.2>56 what it meant for you. If you can't fair enough....but don't blame me for asking because I am interested in how I Ching readings play out especially when I have been engaged in thinking about the person's readings .

 

[Olga Super Star]

I agree and I've always updated! And I love to do it, only this seemed to me a useless update as I put it in standby. I would have updated it in future as I might try this new cognitive who knows..

*pressure :demon: =sense of humour which I learned in England..

 

[sooo]

Olga, I'm curious if this teacher is of one of the Zen schools? Caning, shouting and similar methods are used for various effects among certain Zen masters.

 

[Olga Super Star]

no she teaches dance. no meditation or buddhism.

 

[sooo]

My private cornet and trumpet teacher used to beat and whip me with his baton when I was unable to break through or failed to listen to what he taught regarding a certain passage, and call me names in Italian, usually "hard head!" It sounds abusive but it was remarkable how suddenly I understood so clearly.

One time while in Navy boot camp, as I stood before our division PO before taking over the night watch, he was drilling me on the base's chain of command. I've always had symptoms of ADD and for the life of me I could not remember the name of some Commander, which I knew I knew but could not bring it up to my conscious mind. The third time he asked me, I stood there, mute as a post, and then he took the log (the book of events) from my arm and did a full circle wind up and hit me on the head with it, hard. As if by magic, the name just popped out of my mouth. He must have been as startled as I was, as his amused smile revealed. I had to laugh too - inside because I dared not laugh in his face. He dismissed me and I went about standing my watch, wondering the whole time how that happened. Shock, I think, can break through our mental blocks.

No doubt some would call those instances abusive, but I have only gratitude for their strictness.