What will be the result of the vote to oust McCarthy? 48.2.3 - 8

[rosada]

There is a vote going on at this moment to oust Kevin McCarthy as speaker of the House of Representatives here in the United States.
48. The Well
48.2 The bucket is cracked.
48.3 The well is being repaired.
8. Seeking Union.

48.2 Could refer to the Republicans feeling he has disappointed them.
48.3 Could refer to this effort to replace him - even though he did the right thing for the U.S. by avoiding a government shut down.
8. Seeking Union. So is this meaning the vote is an effort to seek union with a new person or is it a sign the union with Mc Cathy continues?

We’ll get the outcome here shortly. I’m guessing these hexagrams mean he’s ousted because the lines seem to match the situation, but maybe it’s just saying the Republicans are seeking to replace him but doesn’t say they will…
Should provide interesting insight into 8 as the resulting hexagram.

 

[rosada]

Okay, the votes are in and McCarthy is out. Final vote was 216 to oust him, 210 to keep him.

Maybe 8. Seeking Union as the resulting hexagram means the result is they will now be Seeking Union with someone to replace him.

 

[Hans_K]

Hi Rosada,
Interesting question and result.
H48 is about Replenishment/renewal and H8 as I see it is also the hexagram representing a leader.
The only yang line is at the position of the leader/the King. This line rules the other yin lines.
Together then, H48 and H8 says: the renewal of a leader.
But fair is fair, this is of course wisdom in hindsight.

 

[rosada]

So now I’m playing with the idea that when hexagram 8. Seeking Union is the resulting hexagram it means ”The current situation will lead to looking for a fresh partner.”
We’ll see how that holds up…

 

[Hans_K]

So now I’m playing with the idea that when hexagram 8. Seeking Union is the resulting hexagram it means ”The current situation will lead to looking for a fresh partner.”
We’ll see how that holds up…

What is interesting is that H8 can also be seen as "Rallying around a Leader". The 5 yin lines gathering around the leading yang line at the 5th position.
What I read in the papers here in the Netherlands is that Matt Gaetz played a central role in the whole ousting process of Kevin McCarthy as speaker of the House of Representatives.

What is also interesting is that the original notation for H48 shows a graphical representation of eight pieces of land with the well in the middle. A well that everyone could use and which played a central role in daily life.

H48 thus shows the one central figure, the speaker, the one who is there for everyone (the House of Representatives) and H8 his opponent Matt Gaetz around whom the rest of the Republican Party gathers.

Thank you for this interesting question .

 

[Liselle]

What is interesting is that H8 can also be seen as "Rallying around a Leader". The 5 yin lines gathering around the leading yang line at the 5th position.

Interesting observation! I'd never thought of 8 having quite that emphasis, but you're right - the single yang line is in the king's line position. Also interesting that 8.6 is about not having a leader.

Is there an author who especially talks about it that way, that I could read? (Unless you came up with it yourself, in which case .)

 

[Hans_K]

Is there an author who especially talks about it that way, that I could read? (Unless you came up with it yourself, in which case .)

I came up with this myself by looking at the "meaning" of the line positions.

and H8 as I see it is also the hexagram representing a leader.
The only yang line is at the position of the leader/the King. This line rules the other yin lines.

In an earlier post it was seen from the leader's point of view, but of course you can also see it from the position of those being led. From the reports in the newspapers, it appeared that specifically one person had had a leading role and the whole party had followed him. That gave me the idea of looking at it from the party's point of view and not the leader's.

By the way, I don't think it deviates that much from what the text of the Image of H7 says.

On the earth, water:
This is the image of Union.
Thus the kings of old established myriad feudal states
To foster close relations with the feudal lords.

In essence, of course, this is also about leadership by the kings and the feudal lords gathered around the kings.
The name given to this hexagram is perhaps a little misleading. Yes it is about unity, but it is brought about by a leading figure and a mass or people that is willing to follow.

Unless you came up with it yourself, in which case

I just wouldn't bow

 

[rosada]

It does seem to make more sense to see 7 and 8 as being about gathering around a king rather than referencing a romantic one-on-one partnership.

 

[Liselle]

By the way, I don't think it deviates that much from what the text of the Image of H7 says.

Crowds there and in 7's Sequence, and the mature person/people in 7's Oracle.

What would you say about the yang line being in position 2 in 7?

 

[Hans_K]

What would you say about the yang line being in position 2 in 7?

Did you read my mind?
As a result of this post by Rosada, it made me think about the similarities/relationships between the hexagrams with 1 yange line (H24-H7-H15-H16-H8-H23).
I am currently sorting it out and writing it down, so if you have patience for 1 or 2 more days....

 

[Liselle]

Of course!

Maybe inner cohesion for 7, an army needs that. 2nd line = inner center.

(And then we can think about the complements, one yin line in the same positions, surrounded by a lot of yangs...)

 

[Hans_K]

Maybe inner cohesion for 7, an army needs that. 2nd line = inner center.

Certainly, but also leadership from the crowd, or a leader rising from the crowd (see textH7.2). In H8, the leadership comes from above, the King (position 5).
The 2nd position is the Stadholder, a small leader from within the people. Position 2 and 5 are the only positions of leadership in a hexagram. In H7, the mass/multitude (Earth) is above the leader (line 2) in H8, themass/multitude is below the leader (line 5).

Sorry couldn't resist anyway .

 

[rosada]

Interesting how perfectly 7. the army Sargent pairs with 13. the crowd.

 

[Hans_K]

Interesting how perfectly 7. the army Sargent pairs with 13. the crowd.

Yes!!! Not looked at it that way before.
Then again, in the same way of thinking, H14 fits well with H8. The King has his power/leadership by rank and status (Great Possession) while the sergeant gets it from the people.

 

[rosada]

Now here in America the House of Representatives is looking to select a new Speaker of The House. This is turning into quite a drama as the Republicans can’t agree on who they want to elect. Their top candidates are awful - they are both election deniers who claim the 2020 election was rigged. Anyway, while originally I just thought the second hexagram, 8. Seeking Union, was simply saying McCarthy was out, now it seems the second hexagram is a much bigger deal and alerts one to what is going to be the next major chapter in the unfolding story.