What's the deal now with money? 41.1.2.3 > 52

[liquidity]

So I'm a difficult position monetarily, just made a big, difficult decision about it, and am contemplating further career trajectory and financial moves.

I asked Yi what the deal with money now was and got 41.1.2.3 Decrease > 52 Keeping Still

.1: “He stops doing his own things, and swiftly goes forward. There will be no blame. He should consider limiting the loss.
.2: “The second line, dynamic, shows that it will be advantageous for its subject to maintain firm correctness, and that action on his part will be evil. He can give increase to his correlate without taking from himself.
.3: “When three people journey together, their number decreases by one. When one man journeys alone, he finds a companion.

My overall interpretation is: "in this tricky time, just stay still," and that there are processes going on that will change the situation and that I cannot fully comprehend.

And that I should confidently break with the past without looking back ("his own things" in .1), accept whatever loss has been incurred (.1), undertake nothing new (.2) but simply stay strong... and that in a sense now that I am "alone" without that past baggage, something or someone will find me (.3).

Any other thoughts? Thanks.

 

[Freedda]

.1: "He stops doing his own things, and swiftly goes forward. There will be no blame. He should consider limiting the loss.
.2: ....
.3: ....

Hello Liquidity, I am wondering, these three numbered lines seem like someone's commentary about the lines, but not the lines themselves. Is that right? And if so, I am curios whom said this?

Best, David

 

[liquidity]

Hello Liquidity, I am wondering, these three numbered lines seem like someone's commentary about the lines, but not the lines themselves. Is that right? And if so, I am curios whom said this?

Best, David

Hi David,

No, these are actually the lines themselves, though actually from three different translators. The terribly useful James DeKorne website has a bunch of translations and commentary for every hex and line. In this case, the translations for each line respectively are Wu, Legge, and Wilhelm-Baynes.

 

[diamanda]

What's the deal now with money? 41.1.2.3 > 52
You should try to stop doing so much for others (41.1) and it's not a good time for big ventures (41.2). You should focus on one-to-one only collaborations (41.3) and stability (52).

 

[liquidity]

Thanks Diamanda!

Also, I've also asked about what to do about money on other occasions recently (I often need several readings with the same question, more or less, to get the point!)...

and TWICE I've gotten

14.1.2.3.4 Possession in Great Measure > 23 Stripping Away
.1: “No relationship with what is harmful. There is no blame in this. If one remains conscious of difficulty, one remains without blame.
.2: “A big wagon for loading. One may undertake something. No blame.
.3: “A prince offers it to the Son of Heaven. A petty man cannot do this.
.4: “He who keeps his strength under restraint will not be humiliated.
Alternate translation .4: He distinguishes between himself and his friends. This brings no blame.

Overall: in seemingly difficult times now (23), but just sit tight -- you actually possess far more than seems to be the case?

My interpretation has been: Stay calm (.1). The fundamentals are strong (.2), but surrender the need for certainty as to how they will play out to the universe and trust (.3). Don’t worry about the people around you and compare yourself; stay restrained (.4).

Any thoughts on how this gels with the 41 reading?

I'm thinking it actually vibes with Diamanda's interpretation reasonably well. Don't try to help too many other people is in .4; the one-on-one relationship is in .3; the fact that it's not a good time for big ventures and the need for stability are in .4.

 

[Trojina]

14.1.2.3.4 Possession in Great Measure > 23 Stripping Away
.1: “No relationship with what is harmful. There is no blame in this. If one remains conscious of difficulty, one remains without blame.
.2: “A big wagon for loading. One may undertake something. No blame.
.3: “A prince offers it to the Son of Heaven. A petty man cannot do this.
.4: “He who keeps his strength under restraint will not be humiliated.
Alternate translation .4: He distinguishes between himself and his friends. This brings no blame.

Overall: in seemingly difficult times now (23), but just sit tight -- you actually possess far more than seems to be the case?
.

It is necessary to state who you are quoting with the translation. Because they are on deKorne's website doesn't make them de Korne's, any translation must be credited to the actual translator when copying.

I think a few of us find de Korne's website more of a nuisance than anything else since people do tend to quote chunks of it without referencing the actual translator who's work it is.

 

[liquidity]

It is necessary to state who you are quoting with the translation. Because they are on deKorne's website doesn't make them de Korne's, any translation must be credited to the actual translator when copying.

Sure -- I took translations of .1, .2, and .3 from WB and .4 from Wu.

 

[Trojina]

Thanks, sorry to sound officious but I think it is important

1. that the translator is credited
2. we know which translator it is

So I'm a difficult position monetarily, just made a big, difficult decision about it, and am contemplating further career trajectory and financial moves.

I asked Yi what the deal with money now was and got 41.1.2.3 Decrease > 52 Keeping Still

I think it's really important not just to read the lines but look at the pattern the reading makes. It's an 11 yang pattern, 12 yin pattern so the whole thing is as if on the axis of 11 and 12. Powerful currents in your situation have sort of bought you to a standstill which in itself can be creative but is not negotiable. That is I think this is something to understand and endure rather than actively try to change. Creative flux has it's time and then it stops for a while and indeed the actual reading reflects that. I also like to think of it as the idea that 41 and 52 can only speak to each other via the medium of 11 and 12.

As a sentence we have Decreasing's Stilling. Decreasing is firmly held in that lower trigram as if it can't get past line 3. It's not time to give more away either in terms of money or energy but to pull back a little. In line three there's an adjustment to be made, an important adjustment, a reallocation of either people, projects, money. A shift towards more equity between factors.

So I think there's lots going on but not a lot for you to do just now. I think after line 3 happens then things can ease up a bit more. Where do you see the imbalance in line 3 ? Even if you see where it is it is better to let it iron itself out because the process is already underway anyway.

My overall interpretation is: "in this tricky time, just stay still," and that there are processes going on that will change the situation and that I cannot fully comprehend.

Oh yes that's what you said. I think you have been active in this, you aren't just riding it but you've come to a place where there's quite a balancing act and stillness is called for just while you are at that axial point before the shift to a more equal division of things in line 3

And that I should confidently break with the past without looking back ("his own things" in .1), accept whatever loss has been incurred (.1), undertake nothing new (.2) but simply stay strong... and that in a sense now that I am "alone" without that past baggage, something or someone will find me (.3).

I can't see that it talks of breaking with the past or that someone will find you. I think you are the creator in this, you partake of those 11 and 12 energies and in the process of that you currently meet a time where a redistribution of some kind is needed to even things out (line 3)

 

[liquidity]

Thanks, sorry to sound officious but I think it is important

1. that the translator is credited
2. we know which translator it is

Gotcha. Will be sure to keep doing this.

I think it's really important not just to read the lines but look at the pattern the reading makes. It's an 11 yang pattern, 12 yin pattern so the whole thing is as if on the axis of 11 and 12. Powerful currents in your situation have sort of bought you to a standstill which in itself can be creative but is not negotiable. That is I think this is something to understand and endure rather than actively try to change. Creative flux has it's time and then it stops for a while and indeed the actual reading reflects that. I also like to think of it as the idea that 41 and 52 can only speak to each other via the medium of 11 and 12.

As a sentence we have Decreasing's Stilling. Decreasing is firmly held in that lower trigram as if it can't get past line 3. It's not time to give more away either in terms of money or energy but to pull back a little. In line three there's an adjustment to be made, an important adjustment, a reallocation of either people, projects, money. A shift towards more equity between factors.

So I think there's lots going on but not a lot for you to do just now. I think after line 3 happens then things can ease up a bit more. Where do you see the imbalance in line 3 ? Even if you see where it is it is better to let it iron itself out because the process is already underway anyway.

Oh yes that's what you said. I think you have been active in this, you aren't just riding it but you've come to a place where there's quite a balancing act and stillness is called for just while you are at that axial point before the shift to a more equal division of things in line 3

I can't see that it talks of breaking with the past or that someone will find you. I think you are the creator in this, you partake of those 11 and 12 energies and in the process of that you currently meet a time where a redistribution of some kind is needed to even things out (line 3)

Thanks so much for this interpretation. As far as your last paragraph, I saw "breaking with the past" in "He stops doing his own things, and swiftly goes forward" and "that someone will find you from" in "When three people journey together, their number decreases by one. When one man journeys alone, he finds a companion."

So I was potentially connecting these .1 and .3 lines as -- the "three people journeying" situation was the past... I break with that past and go do my own thing and then something/someone new finds me, at least in some metaphorical sense.

Oh and for my 41 reading the translators were Wu, Legge, and WB for .1, .2, and .3.

 

[Trojina]

Thanks so much for this interpretation. As far as your last paragraph, I saw "breaking with the past" in "He stops doing his own things, and swiftly goes forward"

No I don't think there's any implication of the past in the line at all. You are perhaps thinking that because this translation has decided to use the word 'forward' it implies moving away from the past. Was that Wu ?

and "that someone will find you from" in "When three people journey together, their number decreases by one. When one man journeys alone, he finds a companion."

Well that's just a metaphor, doesn't have to be an actual person. I think Bradford Hatcher has summed it up as 'the odd get even'.

So I was potentially connecting these .1 and .3 lines as -- the "three people journeying" situation was the past... I break with that past and go do my own thing and then something/someone new finds me, at least in some metaphorical sense.

I don't think line 1 has anything to do with breaking from the past at all. It's a line that can be seen several ways, none of them to do with leaving the past. It's to do with bringing things to a conclusion, finishing business, not letting things drag on IMO. Well I suppose that could count as finishing with the past but it's not the past it's current business to be bought to a conclusion.

Oh and for my 41 reading the translators were Wu, Legge, and WB for .1, .2, and .3.

I don't think Wu is ever worth considering is he ?

 

[diamanda]

I've also asked about what to do about money on other occasions recently (I often need several readings with the same question, more or less, to get the point!)...
and TWICE I've gotten
14.1.2.3.4 Possession in Great Measure > 23 Stripping Away
(...)
My interpretation has been: Stay calm (.1). The fundamentals are strong (.2), but surrender the need for certainty as to how they will play out to the universe and trust (.3). Don’t worry about the people around you and compare yourself; stay restrained (.4).

Any thoughts on how this gels with the 41 reading?

I'm thinking it actually vibes with Diamanda's interpretation reasonably well. Don't try to help too many other people is in .4; the one-on-one relationship is in .3; the fact that it's not a good time for big ventures and the need for stability are in .4.

what to do about money on other occasions recently
and TWICE I've gotten
14.1.2.3.4 > 23
I believe this is emphasising that wrong collaborations, and moving further afield, are doomed to fail. Staying away from harmful people (14.1), taking your belongings and moving away (14.2), then here comes trouble again from a miser (14.3), then you keep your possessions in another 'domain' (14.4). This whole situation is unsustainable (23). The connection I see with your previous reading is that multiple collaborations, and venturing out, will not succeed.

How could this apply to your situation? (if you want to clarify, you don't have to)

 

[liquidity]

No I don't think there's any implication of the past in the line at all. You are perhaps thinking that because this translation has decided to use the word 'forward' it implies moving away from the past. Was that Wu ?

Yes indeed. I sometimes his find translations interesting. Not sure how accurate they are... sounds like you don't have a very high opinion

Well that's just a metaphor, doesn't have to be an actual person. I think Bradford Hatcher has summed it up as 'the odd get even'.

I don't think line 1 has anything to do with breaking from the past at all. It's a line that can be seen several ways, none of them to do with leaving the past. It's to do with bringing things to a conclusion, finishing business, not letting things drag on IMO. Well I suppose that could count as finishing with the past but it's not the past it's current business to be bought to a conclusion.

Gotcha.

 

[liquidity]

what to do about money on other occasions recently
and TWICE I've gotten
14.1.2.3.4 > 23
I believe this is emphasising that wrong collaborations, and moving further afield, are doomed to fail. Staying away from harmful people (14.1), taking your belongings and moving away (14.2), then here comes trouble again from a miser (14.3), then you keep your possessions in another 'domain' (14.4). This whole situation is unsustainable (23). The connection I see with your previous reading is that multiple collaborations, and venturing out, will not succeed.

How could this apply to your situation? (if you want to clarify, you don't have to)

Thanks. Actually it makes perfect sense with a general theme I've been getting on other readings of 'sit tight' in my life generally. There's a focus on inner development and a theme of patiently not engaging in, as you say, various ventures, collaborations and so on with the outside world.