When 1 changes to 2 (All nines)

[cal val]

I'd love to know if anyone has any thoughts on all nines or has had experience with it and what that has been.

If there's a thread where this is well covered that you know about I'd be very happy if you would direct me to it as well.

Thanks.

Love,

Val

 

[heylise]

I had 1 changing to 2 last year, when I had some plans. It was a serious warning not to do what I intended to (only saw that in hindsight though).

I know of someone who got it when he asked about his wife-to-be. As far as I know, they had a good marriage. She died, but many many years later, so I don't think it had anything to do with the reading.

That is all I have. Not much, and a bit contradictory.

LiSe

 

[midaughter]

In Wilhelm all nines means continual motion, every line is in motion at the same time; for all sixes, no movement at all. This situation of absolutely no movement forward or backwards is an unusual and unique situation in all the Book of Changes

When I was first using the Yi, my young friend threw all nines. I asked her to throw again and she got all sixes. I still have no idea what it meant...But when I think of her confusions in life I call it 'being at all sixes and nines!" Do you think her being gay might be reflected here? In throwing all nines and all sixes probably should be read together as expressing some sort of situation..


Best,
Sun

 

[Sparhawk]

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When all the lines are nines, it means:
There appears a flight of dragons without heads. Good fortune.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

W/B

Just in case you missed that in your reading of the hexagram. Other than that I have nothing other than a heartfelt "good luck".

L

 

[dobro p]

I got all changing lines in 1 once. Just loads of dynamic energy, everything in motion. I didn't even notice what it was referring to in my life. Right over my head.

"Do you think her being gay might be reflected here?" No, no - that's not all sixes and nines; that's called 'all sexes and nuns'.

 

[bradford_h]

01.7, Using 9
Observe a group of dragons - without a leader
Promising
01.7x
Using Nines: Heaven's nature is not about playing the leader

 

[cal val]

Thank you everyone...

I got all nines right after I posted the revelation about my Great Man in the Dysfunctional thread. I was wondering how it would impact him. And that was my answer.

Brad...

I did read your notes on 01.7, and I especially loved the Using Nines interpretation in particular... Heaven's nature is not about playing the leader. I also love Chris Lofting's interpretation of it. It's about absolute trust. Same thing really.

I just don't know that it was answering my question, though. There is absolutely no movement whatsoever there... and no 45 connection that I can feel lately. Dead air. Very painfully dead air.

And things have come to a head in this little town for me... the hard winter... the job ending. It's do-or-die time. That may be what the 01.7 is about. I don't know. We shall see.

With much love and gratitude,

Val

 

[chrislofting]

Val,

Your 'dead air' comment is of interest in that it relates to stillness and so balance with no potential to go anywhere. This reflects properties of heaven over earth - hex 12, Neutralising.

Thus the '1 into 2' transition reflects one context changing into another and as such we can read a change as one hex over another (as in the bottom is the new context). The feeling generated from this is reflected in 12, as the reverse could be interpreted as reflected in 11.

This is where dodecagrams operate in that hexagram atop hexagram is reflected as a hexagram with changing lines (12 lines mapped into 6) -

one can therefore could derive the top and bottom hexagrams by, given a changing line hex, pulling the pre-change hex into the top position and the post-change into the bottom. That process would map to your intuitions about stillness, dead air etc. where 1 would be atop 2 and as such reflect the qualities of 12 overall.

From the IC+ proactive form of interpretation (regardless of random or choice issues) so the archetype is the 1 and the influence the 2 that is causing distortion. Absolute trust in yourself is being 'distorted' by absolute trust in another/others.

The CONTEXT is the source of the distortion and here it is the 2.

BUT also note that 12 reflects the choice of 'not moving' in the form of sticking to your guns, retaining one's faith, regardless of the attacks of others, those attacks are neutralised.

Chris.

 

[chrislofting]

BTW - the dodecagram of (bottom to top):

000000111111

will compress (two lines at a time) into:

000111 - hex 12.

Chris.

 

[cal val]

chris...

Absolute trust in oneself begets absolute trust in and from others.

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

I get it!

Receptive creativity. I've always thought I was a conduit for ideas and images floating around in the universe that come through me, especially when they come fast and furiously. I am. Time for me and the dragons to get to work.

Brad...

Love your notes on this line. That's so right... there's no leader here... no leader/follower crap in creativity.

Dobro...

What did you end up doing with all that energy. I know what I'm doing with mine... releasing it in the only way I know.

Chris...

It's the farthest thing possible from stagnation. It's the end of stagnation. And I don't need no stinkin' calculator to tell me that... *grin* I know it from experience.

Luis...

Thank you. Yes I did see the good fortune. I don't doubt it for a second. And thank you for the good wishes!

Gotta go and try and get some sleep. Been up until now (3:16am here) with this. I won't be back for awhile... lots to focus on and do now.

With much love and gratitude to you all,

Val

 

[candid]

Just an afterthought, which corresponds to Chris' comments: "it relates to stillness and so balance with no potential to go anywhere."

When the creative conforms to the receptive it loses its furthering potential. The eunuch comes to mind.

C

 

[candid]

Thinking about this more, I believe its the top line which creates the dynamic shift in polarity. Its like a vacuum tube that blows from being pushed too hard, shorting the entire circuit and causing the energy flow to shut down. Therefore, keeping the energy contained with a slight attenuation decrease should preserve the circuit from frying, yet maintain peak performance. Small adjustments are always simpler and safer than extreme power surges, and RMS is more steady and reliable than peak watts. If the energy peaks at line 6, but the other 5 lines aren't already fully charged, the peak can be absorbed by an empty (yin) line. But if all five lines below line 6 are already operating at full capacity, the power has nowhere to go, then fffft, it collapses.

 

[candid]

My analysis on one matter is flawed. There are no yin lines to absorb line 6?s extreme. But there are strong lines that aren?t maxed out. In electronic amplifier terms this is called ?headroom?.

"Headroom? the ability to handle multiple, intense signals without distortion."

 

[chrislofting]

Candid,

you wrote:
> When the creative conforms to the receptive it loses its
> furthering potential. The eunuch comes to mind.
>
>

The dynamics of yin/yang reflect a hard-coded relationship at the universal level that sets a context within which operates text - e.g. our consciousness. Our consciousness covers all possible ranges of expression and so can express 'yin' in the 'yang' context etc but there are consequences....

The work on 'small world' networks reflects this hard coding and as such validates the use of the binary ordering of hexagrams to analyse things at the core level.

In that 'small world' research, the dichotomy formed as 'fundamental' is labelled 'aristocratic/egalitarian' where these elements reflect the main types of networks. The work of Ray Bradley and Karl Pribram have added to this with their focus on social dynamics in small collectives where they came up with the dichotomy of 'power/flux'. BOTH of these dichotomies, and their associated dynamics, reflect the underlying root focus on differentiating / integrating aka yang / yin.

Im my IDM material I identify a pathway between the elements of dichotomies from the right element to the left, from the integrated, balanced, energy-conserving, holistic, right element to the overly differentiating, exaggerated, energy-expending, partial, left element.

THAT pathway is validated in the work on 'small worlds' etc as being something 'real' and simply because it is a fundamental. Now, any operations ON that path will mean that we will see context pushing text and that has some interesting consequences re development dynamics.

That basic path is layed out as yang emerging from yin. This can be in the form of an idea, a charismatic person, a physically strong person, all the way to the birth of a Sun somewhere in the Universe etc. Once that yang position is established so two types of dynamics emerge (1) the yang starts to run out of resources to maintain its position and (2) the act of maintaining position, which includes expression, serves as a source of motivation for the 'others' to catch up - yin approaches yang.

There is a power law operating on the elements of the dichotomies where the charismatic type (strongly expressed in the aristocratic network) serves as a 'hub', everyone links to it and so it becomes seen as 'universal'. Over time, this linkage can diminish and so the 'universal' start to lose its power - and often there is so much linkage around the universal that others, easier to access, develop as 'copies' of the original and so the original energy starts to become distributed - and so yin moves in on yang.

Due to the 'hard coding' of yang from yin, if yin starts to enter the yang context so the residents of that context have nowhere to go other than to the yin context! Thus we witness a zig-zag pattern in context swapping by the text:

[1] yang as yang / yin as yin
[2] yin as yang / yang as yin
[3] yang as yang / yin as yin
etc
etc
etc

As the yang text is forced into a yin context so the context will push the expression of the text to be more 'yin' oriented (and the same for yin as yang where the egalitarian perspective, being resident in a yang context will start to 'corrupt', elitism will emerge, decadence will emerge etc and so egalitarian changes into what the context demands - aristocracy.)

These changes can be over days or tens of thousands of years, the same patterns repeat at all scales due to the underlying recursion in development where that ensure the whole is in all parts.

What we see here expressed is the binary ordering of the I Ching as a core source of categories defining all of the parts that make-up this dynamic.

Thus, as the yin approaches the yang and starts to take over, so the yang will transform into a yin-determined expression of yangness. e.g. a eunuch.

Marx (Karl not Groucho) got on to this dynamic but in a vague way. He was idealist and as such applied the capitalism/socialism dichotomy where he saw socialism (yin) taking over capitalism (yang). That is an idealist perspective such that idealist socialists will try and do this but will suffer the fate as described above, they will turn into capitalists.

The 'natural' dynamic is of extensions into yangness and the control of those extensions by agents of balance - thus capitalism is balanced by, neutralised by, socialism, conservationism, interventionism. IOW the 'yin' elements remain in their yin context but maximise their yang expressions - this is reflected in hexagram 12 - neutralising. (their exploitive nature is reflected in the closest hexagram to the yang border - hexagram 44)

One can see this focus on natural balance is reflected in the I Ching in such hexagrams as hexagram 37 where the hierarchy that develops with this context of yin supporting yang, acts to reduce tension in that there is no competition WITHIN the family/clan/collective - everyone knows, and keeps to, their place. (but note that 37 operates in a yang context and so reflects the overall bias to hierarchy in that context - for the yin context the focus is on hexagram 40 where the tension release is in reducing the exaggerations -collapsing any hierarchy!)

Note that the 'mindless' dynamics of the universe ensures that these sorts of stable hierarchic states must also evolve - or else collapse dramatically from something very little; the dependencies on others keeping their place means the slightest distortion can bring it all tumbling down and as such shift from yang back to yin - we start again.

Since the core context is yang-from-yin so we see a core sense of hierarchy present but also the dynamic, the forward movement of yin catching yang and the reverse movement of yang falling back into yin and all of this moving forewards at all times.

(for references etc see some of my 'long' posts made as stand-alone threads to the Clarity list.)

Chris.

 

[dobro p]

"Dobro...

What did you end up doing with all that energy. I know what I'm doing with mine... releasing it in the only way I know."

Well, like I say, that time sort of passed me over - I wasn't too aware of anything special going on in a conscious way, if you take my meaning.

But aside from that, I think the Yi very sensibly plays down all nines - the valuation of that situation in 1.7 is 'fortunate'. Nothing more. Something sort of along the lines of: "You've witnessed creative power without guidance. Nice one."

 

[cal val]

Dobro...

Thank you for so much for your input.

"You've witnessed creative power without guidance. Nice one."

That's a bingo... sort of... with just a minor change in tense! I strongly believe this is my 1.7 because I suspect the post isn't impacting my Great Man in any way at all because he doesn't know about it and because I'm experiencing some major changes right now... and in the near future.

One change is that my creativity has been returning... gradually increasing in frequency of focus and intensity. It's different this time, though. I'm more focused on my strongest talent and there's a sort of confidence... maybe it's an absence of fear or insecurity that was present before all this. I'm in a sort of "pushing out" mode. I'm eager to go places with it I haven't before. And there's a "knowing" that these explorations will have successful results. There's a sort of contentedness with it as well. Or maybe peacefulness. And with the "pushing out," there's a "reaching out"... a new-and-improved receptivity. While I was "influenced" in my work before, I was still very much a self-contained unit... it was a "creativity-is-an-individual-thing" kind of thing. I'm more open now. In fact, I'm searching for teachers.

And I did the force behind the Yi a terrible injustice when I said this is the end of stagnation. It hasn't been stagnation at all. To the contrary! My creativity was just on hold while I went through the growth cycle I've experienced since I came to Clarity... the incredible journey they guided me through.

It was nothing that I made a conscious decision about. I went into therapy almose 20 years ago when I finally accepted that I was the reason my relationships... romance, work and family... weren't working and that I couldn't intellectualize my problems away with all my self-help books and affirmations and that I had to let a professional help me face my demons. My therapist was great and got to crux of my problem within the first five minutes of our first session. She interrupted my ever-so-cheerful babbling to very compassionately ask me what I was afraid of. I immediately began sobbing and much to my surprise blubbered, "Marriage." That was the first I'd heard of it. I had been molested and raped when I was 11... and that was her target. She used a blend of approaches... cognitive behavioral and analytical therapy... and worked very hard for eight months to help me achieve catharsis. She gave me the tools to continue to grow but the molestation/rape walls were still up when she released me. It wasn't until a trigger experience in the workplace 12 years later that the walls began to crumble. They crumbled through about five months of PTSD... then KABOOM... the volcano blew... and the walls came tumbling down. Once I got through that pretty horrendous period, I thought that was the end of it.

My only conscious decision when this most recenty odyssey began was to let the force behind the Yi guide me through life because I was making such a mess trying to do it on my own... and in my search for greater understanding of the Book so that I could hear their directions, I found my way to Clarity. That was the beginning of the journey I had neither planned nor expected.

Much to my surprise, my walk through the fire seven years before had not been the end of it. All the dreams and readings I've had since I've been here were clearly aimed at getting me the source of my fear of marriage. The molestations/rape were part of it, of course, but the fear began to manifest a year before that when my youngest brother was accidentally shot and brain injured, my parents both fell apart, blamed each other for the accident, separated and divorced, the family disintegrated, my safety net unraveled and life became dangerous. My journey began and arrived at that critical junction... the fateful moment that shot took my brother down... right here on this forum (the critical junction is in the "50 to 8" thread). It's truly been an amazing experience.

While the work was aimed at my fear of marriage, I've realized other collateral changes from it all as well. The change in creativity is one. A change in my fortune is another. I've been "financially" trapped in this town, the Yi has counselled me to wait patiently through some very scary times... and wouldn't you know that soon after I faced the source of my fear, I discovered my time here has been an invaluable experience... an experience I can "cash in" on creatively, and now... finally... the door is open for me to leave.

I think the 1.7 is telling me just that. I have the tools now to go forth... and the door is open. As my wonderful therapist did almost 20 years ago, I think the "men in grey" are soon to release me from my lessons... kick me from the dragon's nest... to fly. Rather than "You've witnessed creative power without guidance," I believe it should be in the present/near future tense... I am beginning to experience creative power without guidance. I have another leg in my journey to take now, the road ahead is very rough and dangerous, and, although I feel more able now than ever before to tackle the obstacles ahead, I need their guidance still.

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Candid...

Thank you for your thoughts!

After reading all three posts, I'm not sure what you were trying to say. I don't know if the third replaces the first two or supplements them or what.

Does my post above to Dobro reflect what you were trying to say by any chance? Or... if not, would you mind elaborating for me?

Chris...

Thanks for your thoughts as well. How are you? Are you still on that job? Enjoying it? Onto another maybe? Enjoying it? Everything else good?

Love,

Val

 

[candid]

Hi Val,

I'll try but hope I'm not just repeating myself. The thought is still abstract. You be the judge.

Let?s say an amplifier has 6 gain stages, each with it?s own vacuum tube, and each tube or stage represents a Yi line in gua #1. Starting at stage 1, the tube is charged to capacity. Then stage 2 and so on up to stage 6. Now all 6 tubes are glowing brightly with electrical charge, and yet still more input power is applied to the amp/gua. There is no longer space to handle the charge and so the system blows, shuts down, collapses. The way to prevent this would be to apply greater current resistance (ohms) to the circuit, thereby limiting the amount of power that the amp/gua is allowed to receive or generate, no matter how much power is applied. Or, one could simply turn down the volume of the system to prevent the overload. The breaking point (or final straw) is line 6.

Or perhaps think of it as empty lake (hex2) that is gradually filled to capacity. At each stage the emptiness becomes fullness, or ?charged.? If the water is allowed to escape controllably the lake never exceeds its capacity. If not, once the 6th and final stage is exceeded the damn breaks and all the water is discharged. Fullness again becomes emptiness.

Further, if the damn had a succession of vertical turbines to generate power (nines) at each stage as it allows the water to escape the lake, the lake would not overflow. If more water is put in than is allowed to drain out, the dam breaks and the space that was a lake becomes empty again. (powerless)

In either case there are only two ways to prevent this. One is to limit the amount of water that is put into the lake. The other is to controllably release water from the dam as the lake fills. The latter is more productive because the water released is transformed into useable energy through the turbines. But if the turbines are maxed out (nines), there had better be a way to reduce the inflow of water to the lake or all will be lost.

Does this explain the thought clearer?

C

 

[candid]

"I am beginning to experience creative power without guidance."

Perhaps this is the source of the problem. Power without guidance is like power without restriction or channeling.

I'm sorry but "arrogant dragon will have cause to repent" does make a lot of sense here. A headless dragon isn't very productive. Six headless dragons is totally chaotic energy, and something's got to give.

I'm analyzing this as if I received it. Perhaps it doesn?t apply to you, and believe me, it isn't directed "at" you. But it is what I?d be telling myself if I received it.

C

 

[cal val]

Candid...

Thanks so much for taking the time to elaborate.

I'm curious as to how you would apply the "Good Fortune" of 1.7 to your analysis?

Brad's notes on this line really feel like what's happening to me.

"Not about adopting leaders
Not about who created what
Not even self as leader
Not a democracy
No head, open mind
This is not to say they don?t look for agreement
Playing and following leaders are children?s games
Although many millions of human lives are ruined this way

Of course, since your analysis doesnt't relate at all to what's happening to me (see my post to Dobro), it could very well be that my Great Man has indeed found his way to my post in the "Dysfunctional" thread, and this is how it's impact(ed)/(ing) him. But then again, if he has... Brad's understanding of the line could very well apply as well... and, of course, that would be the ultimate. That's a rather highly evolved state for mere mortals. Difficult for most, but I think my Great Man is capable.

Love,

Val

 

[dobro p]

Val - here's my understanding of two aspects of the issues you're having to deal with: the first is that the big pains tend not to ever be completely dealt with - they keep coming back again and again and you need to face them again and again. The thing is, if you give them your full attention like you seem to be doing, you're doing what you should and they lose some of their power over you.

The second is that when you reach the second half of your life, the main issue is exactly that - how you deal with the change of life - it starts kicking in during the forties and then arrives big time in your fifties. It seems that at this time, and until the end of your life, it's absolutely crucial to find the center of your existence, to establish a more and more constant relationship with the center and source of your conscious existence. Some people call this their soul, some call it God, some call it something else. One of the biggest values of an oracle is that it gives this relationship some structure, and that's how it seems to be functioning in your life. So although it sounds to me that the whole trip's been a roller coaster ride for you, it also seems that your approach is exactly right.

Finally, if you like reading psychology, there's a really good book about what I've been talking about called The Way of Individuation by Jolande Jacobi - she studied and worked with Jung, and it's a fairly simple and clear presentation of his ideas about this. You'll have to get it second hand, as it's out of print.

Second finally - good luck with it. Getting your creativity back is the best sign of all.

 

[cal val]

I'm looking at my last post and feel I need to amend something. It's not reading right.

Brad's notes describe what I'm feeling in terms of my creativity and personal relationships. I'm not independently wealthy yet... not as of the last time I checked my bank balance...* grin*... and I still have to play "Follow the leader." So... I'm off to work. Bye for now.

Love,

Val

 

[chrislofting]

Val, you asked..

Chris...

Thanks for your thoughts as well. How are you?
**fine**

Are you
still on that job?

**yes**

Enjoying it?

**no** i am doing it purely for the money. aids in supporting my interests ;-)

Onto another maybe?

N/A

Enjoying it?

N/A

Everything else good?

yin and yang ;-)

Chris.

 

[cal val]

Dobro...

Great to hear back from you on this. I didn't see your post this morning because I was dashing out the door to work. I only took two minutes to amend my original post without looking.

I don't have a name for that center you talked about, but I know exactly what you mean... I've been there. Trying to get there (without really knowing where I was going) is what brought the "men in grey" into my life. I learned about my inner and outer selves in therapy. I learned that their integration was about mutual trust... between them. I learned to communicate with my inner self in therapy. But my inner self never really communicated with me until this year... this journey. Even though she released all that pain, fear and guilt seven years ago about the molestations/rape, she didn't "talk" to me... nothing like this last year. Dobro, I know it sounds crazy, but during the period just prior to writing that tell-all post to Chris in the 50 to 8 thread, I sat here as two people through each of my little catharses. And it wasn't like MPD at all... I was totally aware of everything happening, and I carried on a dialog with myself... big sister/little sister, mother/child... VAL/val, and it was always clearly me and me. I was totally aware that my inner self was releasing all these secrets because she was finally trusting me. It was like... "Well you didn't scold and punish me for telling you about that hurt, you loved me and held me and told me I was OK instead, so I'm going to tell you about this one. And it pretty much culminated with the post to Chris. There was one more issue to deal with after that... anger for my dad's part in it... seems my anger toward him was the most difficult of everything to release.

Yes, you've perceived very well that I didn't release everything completely... continuously. As a matter of fact at one point the force behind the Yi... that voice from the center... sat me down with 43.4... followed by a dream about maggots (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/92/781.html?#POST7647). You might enjoy it actually... it's rich with symbolism. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/92/781.html?#POST7636.

There's another aspect to it, and it might relate it to Jung's concept of individuation. I don't know. I haven't delved into it yet. I shut down emotionally when my brother was shot. I don't know the whole mechanization of shutting down, but I suspect my fear for him was just too great to handle. When I returned to school the day after the accident, I overhead two teachers talking about me (the accident was the headline news in the paper that morning, so everyone knew about it), and one said to the other, "What's the matter with her??? She acts like nothing happened. She's stone cold." And that's how my emotional life was whenever anything painful or scary happened for probably two more years after that. when I ran away from home and the danger within about a year and a half to two years after my brother's accident, I fugued rather than feel the fear and the guilt about leaving my siblings behind

The whole growth experience since the first day in therapy has been like peeling an onion. The stuffed anger, pain and fear have come off in layers, the biggest layers peeling away seven years ago. And I believe this center you're talking about that I've been feeling and seeing and "knowing" is at the center of the onion.

One thing is certain... my outlook keeps getting better and better. Life is full of stresses right now, things are critical, nothing is certain, and it's survival one day at a time. But I see each crisis as a challenge, and when I solve each one safely, I consider it a victory, and I celebrate myself. So I'm turning "problems" into success experiences. I'm confident now that I'm building a reputation in this town I can gradually move from survival to financial security... in spite of the 12% unemployment rate. I received 14.6 to 34 regarding a job I was trying to get, and when I received it, I realized that it didn't matter if I got the job or not... that I'd be okay... fate would be good. And that's exactly how it's seemed to be. I didn't get the job... they promoted an internal candidate, but I've been having lucky, timely coincidences that keep me on my path.

A realization I had today is that the big push from the force behind the Yi and me was about conquering my fear of marriage... yet here I am, free from my fear at long last... with no marriage prospect in sight. My Great Man, the man I would love to spend the rest of my life with, is silent. I'm at an age that's on the low end of the "marriage opportunities" statistics scale, yet other "parts" of my life are growing and prospering instead and, although I'd be quite happy sharing my life with a significant other, the aloneness is just fine with me. A few days before the 1.7 reading, I asked the Yi just why the big push, considering the circumstances, and they answered... 32, no changes. I had to grin.

I took their most recent advice regarding my Great Man (31 to 32) and left him a message that basically said, "I like you. I love you. I want to see you again. You have my number. Call me if you want to get together." That done, I have been content to focus on my life, my creativity, my survival here and now and my goals for the future. I haven't heard from him... I may still... I may not. I'll be thrilled if I do. I'll be fine if I don't. And everything will continue to work out for the best. That's the one constant in my life that I don't anticipate will change. Another constant is that no matter what happens, whether I ever hear from him again or not, I will always love him. No matter who comes and goes in my life, no matter the place they take in my life and my heart... no one can take his place.

And that, my friend... all the changes I'm realizing lately... is what I think 1.7 is about.

About the 50s... I feel the same thing you described about them. The 50s is about centering. I'm loving my 50s. I came to this forum a devout atheist... my recurring dream of the men in grey showing me how fate and destiny work (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/48/703.html?suddenly changed all that. Once I realized this "map" they were showing me had to have been created, I realized there has to be a creator, and that's when the dream stopped recurring and my journey began. The thing that I have no name for "came to me" and took me within... to my center. The center is the portal to the nameless... the way in and the way out.

Well Dobro... if you made it this far, I thank you very much for bearing with me. I've enjoyed this conversation. I look forward to more.

With much love and like,

Val

 

[cal val]

Dobro...

Interesting post script for you...

When I was writing the part in the post above last night... "...anger for my dad's part in it... seems my anger toward him was the most difficult of everything to release" I started crying. It was a brief outburst... but long enough to let me know there's pain still there about him.

When I was writing the post to you in the 46.3 to 7 thread this morning, I thought about what I'd said about my father and burst into tears again. I talked to my inner self, but she didn't talk back, and I soon stopped crying.

So I consulted the Yi and asked if there's still some unresolved issues that I need to work on regarding my father. They answered 39.5.6 to 52. Good.

Love,

Val

 

[dobro p]

'Great limping, friends coming.'

There are friends on the outside, and friends on the inside. Friends down here, and friends up above.

 

[cal val]

Dobro...

yup... and it will all work out eventually.

*grin*

Love,

Val