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When i pose a “when” question yi answers 14.3.4 to 41.

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How do i make sense of this hexagon casted when i asked yi a “when” question. I asked Yi when can i take this decision and not regret it and got 14.3.4 changing to 41.

Hope anyone can share some insights! Thank u so much
 

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When you make a decision about what you can and cannot afford. That looks like what your choice is based on. Can you afford to give, to be generous?
 

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Thank u trojina! My question to yi was when would be the right time to end material pursuit and quit my career to pursue other interests but i am apprehensive on whether that will be a wrong decision given high inflation eroding savings and yet i am mindful that we only live once. Given this context, i wonder what it means by decreasing hex 41 as outcome. Any further insights sharing welcomed as i know there are more others who are better than iching. Thank u so much
 

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Most importantly the second or relating hexagram really is not the outcome. That idea is a very misleading piece of nonsense many people do arrive with and the best thing you can ever do for improved interpretation is drop that idea. Here's Hilary on the topic




41 here is where you are, the context, what surrounds the question, may include aspects of the past present and future but is not an outcome.

Your question really is about how much to give up, how much loss can you afford? In 41 one is giving up for the sake of something higher. And then Yi gives the question back to you, it's just asking to dwell on what you can afford

First you have 14, Wealth, so you are in a position of Having and then line 3

'A prince makes an offering [heng] to the son of heaven.
Small people are in no way capable of this.'

The idea is you have to figure out which you are here the prince or the small person. Invariably I find this is something one can afford because there is more to the material than the material by which I mean whether one can truly afford something isn't always done to the amount in the bank at that particular moment.

My own commentary on that from wikiwing is

Have received this line several times on asking if I can afford to buy something I want or need. Its not exactly been a question of how much actual money I've got, (which I can check by looking at a bank statement) but somehow a bigger sense of 'affording' I'm asking about. Often the money isn't there yet but I'll have quite a strong sense/intuition I can afford it anyway. As this sense isn't logically reliable I'll check this 'sensing' out with Yi and this line has come up at least twice. On all these occasions I have gone ahead and bought the item and hindsight has shown not only was I able to afford it the item was an especially good buy bringing more rewards than expected. For example I asked about buying a very cheap car I needed, got 14.3, bought the car and found it the most reliable car I've ever had. It rarely needed repair, never let me down and when things did start going wrong after some years and it wasn't worth repairing I still managed to sell it back to the garage I bought it from for a good price and put the money towards another car. Effectively the car itself hadn't really cost me anything very much at all. Trojina

Line 4
'Not at all dominant. / Not beating his drum
No mistake.'

I think this line is to do with not comparing yourself to others or what they might do, I think it's also to do with not announcing in front of others what one is doing. Others have the idea it's to do with not imposing standards on others but I think Wilhelm does better with this line

'He makes a difference
Between himself and his neighbor.
No blame.'

I think this is where one steps away from comparing oneself or measuring oneself by other standards.

I do think Yi is putting the ball in your court whilst also suggesting you do have the resources to go ahead though perhaps you need not make such a great initial outlay as you think (41).
 

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Most importantly the second or relating hexagram really is not the outcome. That idea is a very misleading piece of nonsense many people do arrive with and the best thing you can ever do for improved interpretation is drop that idea. Here's Hilary on the topic




41 here is where you are, the context, what surrounds the question, may include aspects of the past present and future but is not an outcome.

Your question really is about how much to give up, how much loss can you afford? In 41 one is giving up for the sake of something higher. And then Yi gives the question back to you, it's just asking to dwell on what you can afford

First you have 14, Wealth, so you are in a position of Having and then line 3

'A prince makes an offering [heng] to the son of heaven.
Small people are in no way capable of this.'

The idea is you have to figure out which you are here the prince or the small person. Invariably I find this is something one can afford because there is more to the material than the material by which I mean whether one can truly afford something isn't always done to the amount in the bank at that particular moment.

My own commentary on that from wikiwing is

Have received this line several times on asking if I can afford to buy something I want or need. Its not exactly been a question of how much actual money I've got, (which I can check by looking at a bank statement) but somehow a bigger sense of 'affording' I'm asking about. Often the money isn't there yet but I'll have quite a strong sense/intuition I can afford it anyway. As this sense isn't logically reliable I'll check this 'sensing' out with Yi and this line has come up at least twice. On all these occasions I have gone ahead and bought the item and hindsight has shown not only was I able to afford it the item was an especially good buy bringing more rewards than expected. For example I asked about buying a very cheap car I needed, got 14.3, bought the car and found it the most reliable car I've ever had. It rarely needed repair, never let me down and when things did start going wrong after some years and it wasn't worth repairing I still managed to sell it back to the garage I bought it from for a good price and put the money towards another car. Effectively the car itself hadn't really cost me anything very much at all. Trojina

Line 4
'Not at all dominant. / Not beating his drum
No mistake.'

I think this line is to do with not comparing yourself to others or what they might do, I think it's also to do with not announcing in front of others what one is doing. Others have the idea it's to do with not imposing standards on others but I think Wilhelm does better with this line

'He makes a difference
Between himself and his neighbor.
No blame.'

I think this is where one steps away from comparing oneself or measuring oneself by other standards.

I do think Yi is putting the ball in your court whilst also suggesting you do have the resources to go ahead though perhaps you need not make such a great initial outlay as you think (41).
Thank u so much Trojina for your insights and guidance on reading the hexagrams. It really opens up my perspectives ! Its really useful to hear the community’s perspectives on similar hexagrams in the past and this really shed light on what yi is trying to convey to me
 

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