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Trojina

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I can find no occasion where I cast this in my journal....However I know I have cast it before I ever started using a software journal a few years ago.

It probably didn't stick in my head much because I didn't know how to take it in relation to the question I asked. If I cast it now I'd likely be wondering what is dispersing. I know I've had that question with 59uc many times. It can mean the very subject of the question itself evaporates, disappears as if it never were. Or it can be that boundaries dissolve within the area of concern. It's a foggy one. For example regarding one's relationship with another or one's relationship with an organisation it might mean that whatever the issue is it can be dissolved OR the relationship itself might dissolve.

More often than not I see 59 as a gentle ending or dissolving of something. It can be so subtle you cannot tell if it's happening at all. The whole thing, whatever the question is about, is in process of changing form completely as boundaries dissolve. Trigrams are wind over water. My favourite mental image for 59 is water evaporating from the defined place it was, like a puddle or stream, rising as mist to reform as water drops in clouds then later falling back as rain to be contained within the limits of the shape of some other puddle or stream somewhere else, some other time.


In terms of our human concerns then I think 59uc can be experienced as terribly vague and vaporous.

Lise

You are just a tiny part of universe

59 - Nothing is fixed, panta rhei *
60 - Everything is an expression of the universal gauge

*Hold to universal values , the worldly ones are perishable


Hilary says of the pair in her book



'Dispersing means spreading out: Measuring means stopping'

Dispersing has no limits that would stop it's flow - yet eventually this liberated energy will flow on into new, more organic forms.

So my sense is this can be quite a 'big' answer to get to relationship queries and so on because it's not likely you will have a clear idea of what this thing is you have. It's not a time for defining things it's a time for observing things become undefined, scattered, nebulous, unclear. I say 'big' because it can encompass a process one cannot know in it's entirety from the current vantage point. Who knows where the mist goes....or who knows where time goes as the song said.


Wing on 59 uc as answer

The lower trigram of human affairs is held by K'AN, the mysterious. It is penetrated by SUN, gentle efforts, in the upper trigram of cosmic ideals. REUNITING without changing lines symbolises a consistent isolation from one's real origins. Because of this, the true nature of the object of your inquiry is not understood. You will be at odds until you penetrate this mystery. Look within for an answer; transcend your egotistical involvement, try to see the whole picture, look for the place where all things originate.


Wing gives 59 the title of 'REUNITING' which I find somewhat misleading. At least it does not tally with my sense of 59. There is only reuniting in terms of dispersing, but first comes the dispersion. When the mist rises is it dispersing from the puddle or reuniting with a cloud ? It all depends on where you are with your question.


I think it was Karcher who gave us the idea of the 'shadow' hexagram. Apparently the shadow hexagram is what we might feel drawn to do but what is actually exactly what not to do. The shadow hexagram is found by counting in from each end like this

64 1
63 2
62 3

and so on. Interestingly the shadow hexagram for 59 is hexagram 6. So the idea is one might be tempted to perhaps come to agreements and so on in order to perpetuate situations, to stop them floating away and dissolving ? However whilst this might be tempting it is not the thing to do.

So what is the thing to 'do' if one is looking for guidance. The Image from Hilary's book says

'Wind moves above the stream: Dispersing.
The ancient kings made offerings to the Highest to establish the temples.'

Perhaps this means one recognises the ungraspable nature of things. One cannot hold on to solid things now. One must place trust in the flow of things, in how things shape shift constantly. Easier said than done at times no doubt.


How have you found your own experiences of 59 uc ?
 

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I got 59 uc when I felt dissatisfied with a certain group of people. I wanted out. The thing which really told me what to do, was "establishing a temple, bring offerings". Stay where things feel good, rich, honest, clean. This group was not bad at all, but they were kind of messy, too easy with everything, like their conscience or promises, things like that.

Another 59 uc about cooperation with a man, who was interested in what I did. He was full of enthusiasm, had lots of plans, and he was nice. But it was as if there was nothing solid inside him. He didn't really "DO" anything. Nothing much came out of it. We are still friends, but speak each other very seldom.

Third 59 uc: I had been talking too openly about personal matters. No harm done - I think. But I did feel awkward afterwards. I had forgotten boundaries.
 

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Where do I stand with my housemate? 59

Since I think she crosses the boundary (my boundary) too often, I interpreted this as: you are having no boundaries with her at the moment, you let her decide whether and how she can get in or go out of your place.

Which I think it applies as when I asked How best to approach her? got 60.2>3
set boundaries up
 

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[video]http://www.bing.com/search?q=Peter%20Gabriel's%20here%20comes%20the%20 flood&pc=cosp&ptag=G1424A698EE12FB4&form=CONMHP&conlogo=CT3210127[/video]
 

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Will I be invited to any job interview(s) this month? 59 un

It was a month when I had recently sent out quite a few job applications. I wasn't invited to any. Seems like my great efforts were "dissolved", had no tangible result.
 

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Like your applications were literally dispersed and evaporated. Maybe it was time for you to let go of your engagement with that particular kind of work...or something

One thing though if 59 is like this...quoting self

My favourite mental image for 59 is water evaporating from the defined place it was, like a puddle or stream, rising as mist to reform as water drops in clouds then later falling back as rain to be contained within the limits of the shape of some other puddle or stream somewhere else, some other time.

....then your pile of applications metaphorically dispersed like the water in the puddle to fall as rain elsewhere....well who knows maybe that energy you put into those applications hasn't totally vanished it's just transmogrifying. Is that a word ? That is you put out the wish for the jobs and the wish and action of applying was energy and that energy will return to you but in another form than the one you sent out.

All very metaphysical but 59 works in mysterious ways that are often at first experienced as loss.
 

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I came across this 5' video about young Saudi artists touring the US Bible Belt. Their goal was to try to connect through Art, in order to challenge stereotypes about Muslims. And the sheer good will they generated made me feel rather emotional :)

Hex 59UC popped up in my mind- that is how I see the process. A graceful dissolution of barriers, gently reconfiguring outdated beliefs, or situations into something more viable.

I hope you enjoy the video :)
https://www.theguardian.com/culture...s-confront-islamophobia-on-us-road-trip-video
 
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I asked: why does love feel so much like longing? 59uc...

The shadow hex (6) seems relevant here... but in relation to my specific query the feeling I had was of amorphous love pouring out of my chest and not knowing what to do with it... love in many directions, and even for things in nature, not necessarily traditional love-objects... but it does always feel like longing, for something that's fleeting, passing, even for a bird that I might see at a distance - or for a person at closer quarters.
 

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Poignant and beautiful :bows:
 

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Why can't I stop thinking about this person?

59uc

I recently got this reply from yi when I found myself constantly thinking about a person who I was close to at one time, but due to limitations imposed by circumstances, we had become isolated over the last year. I went through an intense period of several days unable to stop a consistent flow of thoughts. The strange thing I also kept feeling that we were both somehow "closer" -- as if some barrier had cleared in the ethers. In fact, I also am accompanying feeling that I may actually bump into them! I finally gave up trying to limit the thoughts and allow the thoughts to come unimpeded, but at a certain point I turned to the yi for some insight with the subtext being what the hell is this about?! I was finding it exhausting.

I wasn't fully sure how to take it. Did it mean that it was a gentle ending to the situation? It was curious that it reflected my sense that some barrier to resolution or to reunification had been dissolved.

I also found that my thoughts were mostly around "solving or fixing it." Usually when I get inundated like this, it does actually come about that there is something happening with the other person that I seem unwittingly to be tapping into. I haven't seen or heard from my friend, but who knows what's around the corner!

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59 uc

As an afterthought, I thought to ask if this person was actually thinking of me:

20uc

Go figure!
:blush:
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How have you found your own experiences of 59 uc ?

My husband and I have both retired and we often feel at loose ends. I asked the I Ching, "Perhaps I have finished all my important work here on earth?" Yi answered 59uc, which seemed to me a vague answer. But then, the question was vague, wasn't it? To me 59uc conveys something rigid, like blocks of ice on a river, dissolving in the spring thaw. So I took it to mean resentments and other 'hard' feelings evaporating. That's a kind of work that never ends, it seems to me.
 

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I went to a conference yesterday and met someone I felt quite drawn to, I was inspired by her example and thought maybe we might become friends - although she’s way up in her career and right now I’m nobody significant so it was a bit of a fan-girl moment and I very rarely meet people and have a strong sense of wanting to be their friend or associate. I’m more often a bit indifferent. Anyway I asked yi if we might become friends. 59uc. I didn’t know what to make of that, so then I asked what kind of relationship we might have. 37uc.

To be continued!! :rofl:

Maybe we’re related?!
 

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Hexagram 59 keeps popping up very often recently in my readings. For the last couple of months I was having difficulty getting closure with my ex. Because after I wanted to break up, he just said okay and immediately deleted me from all social media accounts. So I had no idea about how he felt about our break up: sad, angry, relieved?. Our common friends also never talked about how he feels or what he told them about us. So I asked I ching "what can I do to make him care more or be sad about our break up?" Yi's answer was so on point: 59 unchanging. My question was somehow neurotic and Yi answered with perfect common sense.
I took this answer as the only way he would respect me and care more is if forget all about him. Yi suggests me to be stronger, more independent and self loving by letting go. And I took the first line quite literally : "Bringing help with the strength of a horse". I am an equestrian and I never went horseback riding when I was with my ex because we were spending too much time together (unhealthy, I know!). Getting help from the strength of a horse-- something i love and makes me feel strong, confident and happy-- must be the answer to my question.
 

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. So I asked I ching "what can I do to make him care more or be sad about our break up?" Yi's answer was so on point: 59 unchanging. My question was somehow neurotic and Yi answered with perfect common sense.
I took this answer as the only way he would respect me and care more is if forget all about him.

59 dispersion can look exactly like loss but often isn't exactly loss because what is dispersed does/can regather in a somewhat different shape. 59 is a bit of a shape shifter, the puddle evaporates, it's gone but the droplets changed to vapour can reform another puddle elsewhere. It may be worth thinking of this less in terms of loss and more in terms of redistribution. The form of the relationship has evaporated, the skin that held it has dissolved which isn't quite the same thing as the relationship vanishing. Also don't you think that him deleting you immediately from all his social media tells you how much he cared ? You broke up with him but you also want him to be sad about it ? :???: This suggests you didn't want to break up at all you wanted for him to pursue the relationship so it doesn't seem as if you are being entirely honest with yourself about what you wanted ? Anyway, yes let it go and then if it reappears it will look like a different thing perhaps.
 

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59 dispersion can look exactly like loss but often isn't exactly loss because what is dispersed does/can regather in a somewhat different shape. You broke up with him but you also want him to be sad about it ? :???: This suggests you didn't want to break up at all you wanted for him to pursue the relationship so it doesn't seem as if you are being entirely honest with yourself about what you wanted ? Anyway, yes let it go and then if it reappears it will look like a different thing perhaps.

Well, this is a great perspective Trojina, thank you very much. Yes, my breaking up with him was more like giving up waiting for him to love me the way I wanted. He never took our relationship seriously. No matter how desperately I tried to move things around, it was in vain. I want him to pursue our relationship and come forward with solid plans, because I loved him and thought he could be the one. But it hurts more to see him innocently (!) flirting with others or "forgetting" to invite me to important events.

So, yes, our previous relationship has dissolved - my feelings hasn't vanished but I can only accept this relationship again if it reappears as something else. That is if he decides to commit. I never thought deleting me immediately from social media as a hint that he cared Nontheless looks like all I can do at this point is to let go and wait.
 
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Well, this is a great perspective Trojina, thank you very much. Yes, my breaking up with him was more like giving up waiting for him to love me the way I wanted. He never took our relationship seriously. No matter how desperately I tried to move things around, it was in vain. I want him to pursue our relationship and come forward with solid plans, because I loved him and thought he could be the one. But it hurts more to see him innocently (!) flirting with others or "forgetting" to invite me to important events.

So, yes, our previous relationship has dissolved - my feelings hasn't vanished but I can only accept this relationship again if it reappears as something else. That is if he decides to commit. I never thought deleting me immediately from social media as a hint that he cared Nontheless looks like all I can do at this point is to let go and wait.

As I've been recently on a similar sitiuation of the man you broke up with, I decided to reply because, maybe, I can offer you some insight about the situation (even if your reply dates back for more than half an year). You cannot expect anyone to love you the way you want. people are different, each one has its way of loving/showing love. Love is not something conditional, the way we want. Neither the reactions of others are as we would like them to be. Everyone has its own way of reacting. After the breakup it's normal that he seemed to be flirting with others. If he deleted you from social media it's because the breakup was hard for him. If he didn't care, he wouldn't bother himself to delete you from social media. If it didn't hurt him, he wouldn't chase anyone else. If he did so, it's because he felt a gap inside him.
Some time after a woman broke up with me I remove friendship with her on social media. Didn't block her. After, she sent me a friend request just for me to find out that the blocked me. I tried to get on with my life. Maybe she thought that everything was fine with me, because I was posting about my MTB activities and my involvement in music. But I was feeling such sadness inside me that I wanted to show that everything was alright with me. Looking back at all this, these kind of ego fights are something that should be dissolved.
You asked "what can I do to make him care more or be sad about our break up?". The Yi answer is clear: dissolve that kind of questioning. Is it right to wish for someone to be sad about a breakup? Did he really not care? Hexagram 59 is about dissolving egotism...
 

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An announce in facebook: a book presentation. The author is former colleague, a nice and friendly person I got on well with, I'd be pleased to meet him again. A friend was posting it, she was interested. So shouldn't I go there? With 59 unchanged, I thought it might be better not to cling ... However, I looked for the announce again and found out - that this book came out in 2018, and the presentation had already taken place, in the beginning of 2019, and that I'd missed it then. It was an error!

Also, I had it as an open weekly reading last year when I visited my family in another city - stayed at my father's house for a couple of days, as I used to do. It was for the last time, which I didn't know. My familiar situation changed in the mean time, it won't be like this any more.
 

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A very apposite hexagram 59 this evening. I’ve spent the week looking after my daughter-in-law, son and very confused toddler grandson after the birth of new grandson (yay!) last weekend. They’re all feeling rather shell-shocked and overwhelmed + dil has the usual post-birth physical fragility.

I’ve tried to hold the ship a bit steady, provide meals, do the washing etc, and also give lots of reassurance and cuddles to all of them - and when I finally left today, they seemed to be a lot better. OTOH I got home and cried my eyes out!

When I asked ‘why am I feeling so shattered?’ I got 59. Of course - I’ve been caught up in their process of dispersing and reforming into a new family, and the role of containing all that emotion has been quite difficult.

The iching has restored my smile - it’s great to feel understood!
 

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