Mind neutrally registers everything that comes to it at one level without bias, and in this it reminds me of Hex 2. Mind also creates what's perceived, mostly in ways I don't comprehend, but I do see how it happens sometimes - mind actually *creates* the perception that's perceived in a receptive, hex 2 way.

It surprises and amazes me that Hex 1 and 2 are not just images of situations, but images of the very fundamental structure and function of mind.

dobro said:

Mind neutrally registers everything that comes to it at one level without bias, and in this it reminds me of Hex 2. Mind also creates what's perceived, mostly in ways I don't comprehend, but I do see how it happens sometimes - mind actually *creates* the perception that's perceived in a receptive, hex 2 way.

It surprises and amazes me that Hex 1 and 2 are not just images of situations, but images of the very fundamental structure and function of mind.

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How do you find this 'amazing'? - the I Ching is a metaphor, it is rooted in symmetry and covers the brain's easiest way to convert difference to sameness, metaphorcation.

Yin/Yang is a dichotomy isomorphic to integrating/differentiating or what/where and THESE dichotomies refer to elements of the neurology that are hard-coded into our brains (see the IDM material that covers what comes out of self-referencing in general:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html )

All meaning is derived from self-referencing. I can map out the self-referencing of the 0/1 dichotomy and get pattterns reflected in the IC as yin/yang - this is all due to the 'chaos game' where the containment of noise will elicit spontaneous generation of order through self-referencing.

The issues are with the asymmetric that is reality vs the symetric that is how we interprete reality due to our need for sameness over difference. Since the 'true' asymmetric is NOT recursable so we see a subtle translation into a symmetric form and THEN that is self-referenced to give us details.

Why do we need sameness? Habit/instinct formation, in that these are representative of sameness across differences. Thus all hexagrams reflect some form of archetypal sameness that we then use to filter contexts (and so 'distort' differences, marginalise them to allow for detection of sameness)

Our use of emotion, derived from self-referencing of the fight/flight dichotomy favours sameness but with a price of a loss in precision and so the ability for one metaphor to be interchanged with any other to derive meaning.

THe I Ching is a PRODUCT of our brain and its derivation from self-referencing guarntees detection of properties of sameness/difference dynamics. The symmetry forces a focus on communication through metonymy/metaphor and the I Ching is such, representing what the brain deals with - objects/relationships.

To be amazed at the I Ching and yin/yang is to be amazed at all of the other specialist, isomorphic, perspectives - e.g. fight/flight of emotion ;-)

I can interchange the I Ching with the fight/flight categories and we will find isomorphism - not due to emotions or I Ching but to what those LABELS represent, categories of meaning derived from the METHODOLOGY of self-referencing.

Chris.

dobro said:

Mind neutrally registers everything that comes to it at one level without bias, and in this it reminds me of Hex 2. Mind also creates what's perceived, mostly in ways I don't comprehend, but I do see how it happens sometimes - mind actually *creates* the perception that's perceived in a receptive, hex 2 way.

It surprises and amazes me that Hex 1 and 2 are not just images of situations, but images of the very fundamental structure and function of mind.

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Mind is like this...

[insert perception here]

What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind! --Homer Simpson

dobro said:

Mind neutrally registers everything that comes to it at one level without bias, and in this it reminds me of Hex 2. Mind also creates what's perceived, mostly in ways I don't comprehend, but I do see how it happens sometimes - mind actually *creates* the perception that's perceived in a receptive, hex 2 way.

It surprises and amazes me that Hex 1 and 2 are not just images of situations, but images of the very fundamental structure and function of mind.

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I'm with ya on this. It blows me away too.

There seems little doubt in my mind that humans have an exclusive (and intrusive) cell, which separates itself from everything else. And we who desire to return to primordial innocence must do so through excruciating conscious effort.

bruce_g said:

I'm with ya on this. It blows me away too.

There seems little doubt in my mind that humans have an exclusive (and intrusive) cell, which separates itself from everything else. And we who desire to return to primordial innocence must do so through excruciating conscious effort.

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Not sure what you mean by an exclusive and intrusive cell, but I think you're making things too complicated.

Mind is a big playground where perceptions run around and play 'King of the Mountain'. Then they get tired and go home to the ether from whence they came.

That's the way I see it anyway.

getojack said:

Not sure what you mean by an exclusive and intrusive cell, but I think you're making things too complicated.

Mind is a big playground where perceptions run around and play 'King of the Mountain'. Then they get tired and go home to the ether from whence they came.

That's the way I see it anyway.

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I'm not precisely sure what I mean by exclusive and intrusive "cell" either, but it seems that way to me. Humans are different than any other species on this earth. We're the only ones who wrestle with what the rest of nature intuitively takes for granted. When a lion plays "king of the mountain", it accords with the rest of his environment, and ensures the well being of that species. Humans take that to a level which is contrary to benefit humanity.

Humans philosophize. What's that about? Humans search for meaning. What the heck is that about? Other earthly life forms don't do such things. Something in humans makes that happen. I just referred to it as a cell, as in a brain cell or DNA factor. The result of that factor creates a separation, an individualism, an "exclusive" perception of being. To me, to my goals, that is "intrusive". The only way left to reckon with it and advance through it is through hard conscious effort. Why else would humans engage in such things as Yijing?