with the 5th and 6th lines changing.. I just have a lot of issues going on inside. I have been asking lots of different questions and getting all kinds of answers.. Yesterday I got 26... But today I just focused on nothing and everything all at once. I don't even know if I'm doing it right, but I think I got 27 changing to 3. Please help, and thank you.

I was married very young and now years later I have grown and learned so much and the person I am with is not what I feel I want and deserve. I don't like him or his worldview, but I am afraid of making the wrong choice. I think and think all day, but it is weird, it is as if nothing is going on, but underneath the surface there is a volcano ready to explode, but I try to keep my cool. I have an anxiety and calm all at once. I can't seem to get my feelings and thoughts organized. He ignores me, I have accumulated the damage of years of silent treatment. I have internalized the unworthiness, but now I feel that enough is enough. But I am afraid for my life, my future my children, I just want to feel happy. I was ignored as a child and I found someone to ignore me as an adult. I am conscious of this, but what do I do now. I don't trust my choices. I can't seem to figure it out. It's like a tip of the tongue feeling, like the answers are right there, but I just can't grasp them. I don't want to be alone, but I want to be alone. I feel pressure and anxiety, yet everything is all going to be okay. What should I do, should I sleep. What is 27 telling me. Nourishment, I want to be a child and I want my mother to hold me and nourish me with love and stuff but she is not the maternal type. What do I do.

dear Saturn,

I'm sorry I can't offer you much in terms of interpretation -I'm confident that people will join you in figuring out your answer- but I wanted to tell you what I heard once from my philosophy teacher. He said:

We get to be born twice; once our mothers give birth to us and bring us to the world -we have little to do with that, we are babies being taken care of. But there's also a second birth: that's when we give birth to our selves . . and we better be strong, and courageous and careful in doing so, cause it can be a long and strenuous birth and we will probably have to handle our very own complications . . .

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I wish you aaaall my best . . be confident that you can do and be all that your self asks from you -make yourself strong

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Troubles Shared.......

Saturn,
I'm pretty new with the I-ching I have a little bit to offer- mostly personal experience. I think 27 changing into 3 is just showing you the troubles you've had with nurturing yourself- or at least receiving the nurturing your so worthy of from others.

Also your relating hex advises you to seek all help you can with your current difficulties. So thats worth a thought- seek out help/advice and support.

I think the lines will advice more on whats going on- I don't feel experienced enough to read them, but I'm sure more experienced readers with those lines will!

rodaki I loved this quote! thanks I've glued it to my desktop!

Loving yourself is the most rewarding path there is (speaking from personal experience) Its isn't an easy path- especially with the obsticals life can throw at us but when you achieve it you come to a state of balance and the highest/happiest love within yourself. You become the mother that your innerself desires... I had a past of abuse- as a child and as a teen- my journey as an adult- in finding myself and loving myself unconditionally is one I'm extremely proud of- so don't give up hope in your search for love. But from my own experience the love we need really is a source within us- once you find it you have an unconditional and inexhaustable supply of love and fullfillment. To me this is what hexagram 27 is all about- about where to nourish ourselves...

I hope this is helpful- I wish you the very best in your journey...

Thanks for sharing your story

Line 27.5,6 > 3

This indicates your feeling of inadequacy and therefore your need to seek advice from someone outside your circle of friends and acquaintances, there you will find your answer.

But one answer lies in the fact that you will find happiness away form this man and it even advises moving elsewhere. As loving yourself is really not the answer when you are weighed down by someone else 24 hours a day, it just breaks your spirit. How can you find love with so much pressure on your shoulders, you simply can't. You can only find love when you find freedom, so you need to cut those chains that are holding you back.

And that leads to Hex 3 where it says that in order to find peace and happiness you need to leave and grow new roots elsewhere, where life is more accommodating and friendly, there you will have your second chance, to be reborn afresh. so, go look for someone to help you through this time of chaos and pull you out of it.

Seek help from outside before making a move to leave your partner, preparation will then have its rightful rewards.

Thank you all for your responses.

Interesting you mention moving Willowfox, one of the million issues going on is grad school. I want to go do a program in a town an hour away, I want to move and start fresh next fall. But I'm afraid, I don't want to regret leaving everything I know, as painful as some of it is. School is what has changed me, I think, and my partner and I no longer value the same things. I have different ways of looking at the world. It's just so scary. I mentioned I had been asking lots of questions lately, I just can't get it all organized, I can't figure out how I feel or think, there is a lot of self-doubt in my mind. I just want to rest.

Last night I dreamed that I really wanted to wear my hair in a high pony-tail at the top of my head. I was pulling my hair up trying to make this pony-tail, I recall asking others for help, even my little brother. There were ruins, or some type of construction in the dream too. A childhood friend/cousin was there. We were under a highway type of thing that was under construction. I was trying to put my hair up in this ponytail throughout the whole dream. I don't know if I ever got it or not, but I think I did. My great-aunt was also present.

I woke up feeling like all I want is to get my head straight! What do you guys think?

I want to ask today, but I don't know what to ask, I just know I want some clarity.

Hi, Saturn! I don't know the I Ching deep enough to be a help for you but something in the things you wrote caught my eyes. "I want to rest." Isn't that what you need to do right now? Your mind is spinning, and so are the countless answers you get from I Ching. You only picked up one now. With moving lines totally confused me. One seems to say you are not strong enough to move, other seems to say you are strong enough to move. Girl, I know the state of mind you are in, there's no good answer in it. If you can, please, rest! You have to stop spinning first. *hugs*

Thank you, anyone else have anything to add?

saturn said:

Thank you all for your responses.

Interesting you mention moving Willowfox, one of the million issues going on is grad school. I want to go do a program in a town an hour away, I want to move and start fresh next fall. But I'm afraid, I don't want to regret leaving everything I know, as painful as some of it is. School is what has changed me, I think, and my partner and I no longer value the same things. I have different ways of looking at the world. It's just so scary. I mentioned I had been asking lots of questions lately, I just can't get it all organized, I can't figure out how I feel or think, there is a lot of self-doubt in my mind. I just want to rest.

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Don't be afraid, start getting everything ready now, and then when the time comes you will have the confidence to move and do what needs to be done with your life. Hex 3 is a time of new beginnings so accept the challenge as you will reap a fine harvest in the future.

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But from my own experience the love we need really is a source within us- once you find it you have an unconditional and inexhaustable supply of love and fullfillment. To me this is what hexagram 27 is all about- about where to nourish ourselves...

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What Pink Mandolin says is so true.

What you wrote in your original post was so beautifully expressed, Saturn. One day you may be one of those who uplifts those who need help. But your I Ching lines right now say that you must find a wise mentor and follow him or her, because you need instruction.

If you're feeling tired, you'd better rest. Many people feel tired at this time of year, when the vital energy of nature goes within. Remember that Yi has said your main task at this time is to find helpers and a teacher to guide you.

Hi

But your I Ching lines right now say that you must find a wise mentor and follow him or her, because you need instruction.

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A possible reading of line 5 could say that but generally I think it is about biding your time and not commiting to a course of action too quickly until you find your own way of nourishing find your own plan of action for "nourishment." It is about rejecting the obvious path and finding your own path. Grad school could be good but I suspect the lines say don't commit yet - sort your life out a bit first.

and 27.6 is often about not ending up being the nourishment - it is a fine line - Brad makes a delightful connection with the missionary trying to bring nourishment to the cannibals and ending up being in the pot! I also remember it being described as someone needing you more than you need them and that has both given me the confidence to take radical action and ended up being true. So I can't help but think that Mr Silent Treatment needs you more than you need him!! But if you are the source of nourishment there is a responsibility there - you are responsible in some way.

the 3 is about the first tentative struggles in bringing order out of confusion - the sprout emerging from the earth.

How did YOU read the lines I wonder?

Lucia

lucia said:

A possible reading of line 5 could say that but generally I think it is about biding your time and not commiting to a course of action too quickly until you find your own way of nourishing find your own plan of action for "nourishment." It is about rejecting the obvious path and finding your own path. Grad school could be good but I suspect the lines say don't commit yet - sort your life out a bit first. Lucia

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Yes, Saturn, I agree with Lucia's reading of 27.5. Some translations just say that in such abnormal times, it's best to stay at home.

Thank you all for your delicious input. I was introduced to the Iching through a book for a psychology course. In fact learning of it gave me a very pleasant, kind of scary sensation. I had a very emotional reaction to knowing of it's existence. It's strange but I didn't think about it again for a few months. Then I picked up a book at the library, could not understand it, but managed to toss coins and get a reading... that turned out to be accurate in every way. Not until now, or a few days ago did I come back to it. So I am not sure what to think or say.

But what I felt when I saw the words Nourishment was that 1. I feel "empty".. I want to be filled with nourishment in the form of love and attention, unconditional love and attention.
When willowfox said I need to be away from this man... I felt like "bingo" finally someone said it out loud. It feels good. I asked him to please leave me be. I'll be okay. In fact I feel better already, just getting it all out there, you know?
Someone mentioned I need to find an instructor or mentor, and I agree, I do feel that I cannot do this alone, that is why I looked to the iching, and to you all reading this. I did take steps and will continue to do so to find that mentor, I know one of these days that person will present themselves in my life. Maybe they are already in my life and waiting for me to open up to them.

I am not leaving yet. I am staying put, and nourishing myself. I realize that I WAS the nourishment to someone else and had large responsibility for being in the situation I am in... but now I am nourishing my SELF.. I feel much better. The confusion is less and I don't feel tired. I feel pretty good. I want to ask again, but I don't feel I have a good question yet, I don't know the questions yet.

Thank you so much. Please share your thoughts.

I think you're in a period when you're looking at your life as if from a distance. You have somehow gained a certain detachment, perhaps from being isolated by circumstances and by Mr. Silent Treatment for so long. So he performed an important function in your life, if he helped you achieve this sense of detachment.

You said you realized that you were the nourishment for someone else. I am thinking that Yi tells us over and over again to seek for the source of nourishment -- and Yi seems to teach that other people are not good sources of nourishment in general. So, it would be a mistake to think that some other man or woman is going to be THE source of nourishment.

The idea of 27.6, to my understanding, is that when we are connected to Source (with the capital "S"), only then can we become the nourishment to others without becoming depleted ourselves. However, there is an effort involved in each specific instance of 27.6. Sometimes it is an responsibility. Other times it is just something we have to be aware of.

And I think you're watching the I Ching, and the I Ching is watching you, and you're watching that man, and we're watching your posts, and so forth. That seems to be the nature of 27.5.6 > 3. You're just at the beginning, trying to make sense of this important hexagram and the I Ching in general.

But you're more than just at the beginning, since you acted upon your understanding of the advice of the oracle. This is very different from your first post, when you said you were filled with self-doubt and just couldn't organize your thoughts.

And I'm so glad you posted this, because I have learned something from it, too.

A tardy thank you

Sorry to bring up such an old thread....but I really wanted to thank everyone who posted on this..both the poster and the responses Although it isn't my thread, I found such nourishment from this thread
Rodaki, I really wanted to say how much I appreciated when you wrote:

We get to be born twice; once our mothers give birth to us and bring us to the world -we have little to do with that, we are babies being taken care of. But there's also a second birth: that's when we give birth to our selves . . and we better be strong, and courageous and careful in doing so, cause it can be a long and strenuous birth and we will probably have to handle our very own complications . . .

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That, and so many other gracious and inspiring responses here really resonated deeply with me and I’m delighted to see it seemed to give Saturn some insight and direction as well. I pray she has gotten to safety and peace of mind since posting this original situation.
I don’t know if any of you all will ever see this much delayed post here in a thread not my own, but I’m so deeply grateful to have found these words, I had to at least post to say thank you. All of the kind and insightful people on here who take their time and wisdom to offer nourishment to others who are struggling, I hope you realize that you touch and help far more people than you might imagine. :bows:
So after butting in here where I don't belong, guess I'll go post my own thread about 27 now
Blessings and gratitude
~kd:bows: