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Could it be that the issue is not "how Yi works" but how this forum works? Like wf said, " It seems to be only a few people on this "site" who seem to think that it is really bad to ask about other people and their affairs, other "sites" do not have these self imposed rules of conduct."
I think there are more than a few, but most don't speak up because it is quite useless. It ends in contention or even cussing.
So probably many of wf's answers are accurate, and probably it is possible to ask Yi about unethical matters and get a valid answer. Without any morals in it. It is just that this site is not like that. Is - or maybe was.. Other sites are. In fact, most of the internet and a very big part of the whole world is.
Could it be that the issue is not "how Yi works" but how this forum works? Like wf said, " It seems to be only a few people on this "site" who seem to think that it is really bad to ask about other people and their affairs, other "sites" do not have these self imposed rules of conduct."
I think there are more than a few, but most don't speak up because it is quite useless. It ends in contention or even cussing.
So probably many of wf's answers are accurate, and probably it is possible to ask Yi about unethical matters and get a valid answer. Without any morals in it. It is just that this site is not like that. Is - or maybe was.. Other sites are. In fact, most of the internet and a very big part of the whole world is.
I am here on this site precisely because of its high ethics. I am not interested in answers about 'facts' which go against my own feelings. Even when they are totally accurate. That is why I never go to any site where they 'predict' or tell people what they should do. Even when the prediction or advice is accurate.
Campbell has a good expression for it: "grovelling before the facts". You can live according to the facts, and nobody can ever tell you you are wrong. They are the facts after all. But there is another way of living, which is not according to the facts but according to your soul, or ethics, or higher laws, or whatever else you choose to call it. It is a refusal to live in the trail of the facts, it is creating your life, finding your tao. And it can even change the facts...
LiSe
Agreed :bows: I want to say i especially dislike health predictions - I have been wanting to say that for some time, i have posted that many times and deleted it cos it'll end in 'cussing' as Lise says - but one shouldn't be silenced cos of that really.
I've been wanting to say for some time how divided this forum has become - the Yi talked about in the discussion area often by the more knowledgable (and i don't include myself in that) hardly seems the same entity in the friends area.
I've been wanting to say for some time how divided this forum has become - the Yi talked about in the discussion area often by the more knowledgable (and i don't include myself in that) hardly seems the same entity in the friends area.
Members in the discussion area may well be more knowledgeable about the theory of the IC but are they also as knowledgeable in the practice of the IC, that is debatable, don't you agree?
I like that, and it is quite true. It is also very general. Because the trouble is...people don't all have the same notion of ethics, and our souls and hearts don't speak to us in the same fashion. Nor do all Yi interpreters understand the Yi in the same way, even if their intent is to live according to their souls and higher wisdom.Campbell has a good expression for it: "grovelling before the facts". You can live according to the facts, and nobody can ever tell you you are wrong. They are the facts after all. But there is another way of living, which is not according to the facts but according to your soul, or ethics, or higher laws, or whatever else you choose to call it. It is a refusal to live in the trail of the facts, it is creating your life, finding your tao. And it can even change the facts...
Members in the discussion area may well be more knowledgeable about the theory of the IC but are they also as knowledgeable in the practice of the IC, that is debatable, don't you agree?
And these reflect your standards? You look down your nose at those who look down their nose, or at those who view Yi as a teacher rather than a future telling tool? Ya see? You can't escape that individuals set their own standards, just as you have.
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. So far as I can tell there's only three choices someone who is dissatisfied has: to be upset and remain, to lie low in the shadows where they are safe to quietly learn and/or criticize, or to leave the forum.
Personally, a fairly liberal dose of detachment with a pinch of apathy has served me well in recent times. I really dislike having to do that, but at least it provides a forth option.
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and the oracle itself, as "pure consciousness" ,so to speak, does not draw lines and boxes to delineate what is appropriate to ask and what is not. Those are subjective guidelines.
I really have a hard time with the line of thought which contends that the I Ching is only for "learning about yourself", and the implied notion that you get a firm "hand-slap" if you ask about something which, according to the same notion, is "none of your business." I feel the Yi is above that kind of thinking.
Every person will experience the interplay of energies of Life at more or less the same level that they live their lives at. Integrity actually means just that: all the parts of your life/experience vibrate in sync with the level of consciousness you are choosing, consciously or unconsciously.
To cuss someone out because they are disagreeing with you is an indication of a level of consciousness. BUt so is being "snooty" and looking down the nose at someone you consider "immoral" or "unethical" by your standards.
and the oracle itself, as "pure consciousness" ,so to speak, does not draw lines and boxes to delineate what is appropriate to ask and what is not. Those are subjective guidelines.
Someone else may think my little wormyi cartoons are just juvenile and awful.
I also have standards that I follow, and if certain members here don't like what I do then I suggest that they stop being so "snotty" about it and mind their own business. I do not criticize the way you respond or don't respond to people seeking help, I mind my own business until provoked. My objective and only objective is to try and help people, no guilt trips involved at all, no ghosts, ONLY HELP, is that suddenly the wrong thing to do. Are the forum POLICE condemning me for trying to be charitable towards my fellow human beings?
It seems that your objective is to be against anyone who has a different approach or different idea, from yours, on how the IC should or should not be used. You use the IC your way and leave me to use it my way, or is that against your rules as well. I am not here to please the likes of you, so keep your smug comments to yourself, and leave us peasants to get on with our work.
Let's review.
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what are you, a school teacher? geez. for the last time, it is not about my standards. pointing out a polarity is not creating a standard
Things begin to get interesting when we disagree.
LiSe
Clarity,
Office 17622,
PO Box 6945,
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United Kingdom
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+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
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