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Helo,
I was wondering - what do you think of computer designed readings? Do you think they are as valid as if you throw the coins by yourself?
interesting!!Since computers are algebra based devices, and algebra is fundamentally occult since it deals with the manipulation of "unknowns" to find symbolic answers to personal questions simple computer programming can generate amazing human results.
interesting!!
Chris Lofting has an ‘I Ching Oracle’ on his website which works very good, but as far as I could judge it, most of all for practical tangible questions. How to make a business thrive, or how to organize it, how to make a certain decision, things like that.
He answers to the parameters you give yourself, the answers to questions which guide you to a certain hexagram.
I guess your oracle does (did) something very similar. Answering to “alphabet strings”, so in essence answering to the words of the question. And then you get a very human-like conversation. Because that is what humans do, or at least are expected to do.
There is another way to answer though. Casting coins (or counting yarrow) answers along other channels, maybe like universe which created this world by a tiny difference between the probability for matter and antimatter. ‘Something’ very subtle makes a coin fall this way, or that way. In a computer you only need a random generator for 0 and 1, and then for every throw give 3 of those, then you imitate what happens in reality with throwing coins (I think - with my very limited knowledge of how those things work).
There was a very elegant online ‘oracle’ some time ago, where three coins tumbled and then fell down one by one, giving a line together. Forgot the name. There was a lot of discussion here in Clarity, because he had made the young lines changing and the old ones static. Apart from that it was the best online oracle I ever came across. Would love to have it on my website!
I always go online, simply because I (personally) get more meaningful answers than by throwing the coins myself. Maybe the computer is more subtle in its balance between 1 and 0 than my hands and the tangible coins.
LiSe
Computers have cristals and can send and recieve electromagnatic waves. So this critals can also recieve, hold and send feelings, emotios and thoughts. In a way these cristals are living.
I once read in a book about quantumfysics and the soul a interview with the Dalai Lama.
He said, I translate from Dutch: " It is not possible that new knowledge originates without relation with a used to be continuum. I can not rule out the possiblility that, when all external conditions and karmick actions are present, a stream of consiousness is entering a computer.
Yes, so be it (Dalai Lama is laughing), it is possible that a scientist, who is working his whole life with computers, in the next life, will be born in a computer(laughing). This machine, who is half human, half machine, is then reincarnated.
A mind boggling thought isn't it? That's why you can talk to your computer. Mine is answering back sometimes. Especially when I ask him a question with the proper program.
Frank
Can computer generated readings be trusted to be random ?
The real question is what influences random events?
If random or 'quantum uncertainty' did not exist we would live in a predetermined universe.
Goodbye Freewill....
If you don't believe that then what influences 'random' events?
Hi Trojan,
What does random mean to you that you suspect it would be a good thing in an oracle?
Frank
Random means to me an open field, an allowance for the significant and specific to come through without hindrance. An oracle need the random to speak through. You are confusing the randomness of method of consulting with randomness in answer from an oracle. Of course the whole point of the oracles answer is that it is not random, however it needs the clear open space of the random to speak through.
I am certain we agree that atoms do not have feelings.
You might be mistaken about the Sabian symbol you associate with 19.2. Checking LiSe’s website, I notice that 19.2 is matched with Gemini 17, which reads: “The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker.” Now, there is an image full of human presence -- puer to senex -- and rather encouraging for sharing this approach to the Yi Jing with others, yes?
I'm curious how you have determined this.
You might be mistaken about the Sabian symbol you associate with 19.2. Checking LiSe’s website,
Well, Meng, I’m defining “feelings” as emotional and moral sensitivity. The behavior of atoms is extremely predictable and has yet to display affective or moralistic behavior. That cannot be said of organisms. In this regard, isn’t it fascinating how all electrons, protons and neutrons (the constituents of atoms) are exactly the same and perfectly interchangeable, lacking all individualistic attributes. At what point do the assemblages of atoms into molecules and molecules into living systems begin to display traits of uniqueness? Certainly not at the atomic level, even given the variety of electron states available to any specific atom.
Clarity,
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