54 uc as the place where I find my soul mate

[Azul77]

Hello Community!

Today I asked Yi where do I find my soul mate.... And I was asking for a physical place.
And he answered me with 54 uc...

I have been thinking about it a lot, in the image of the hexagram there is a lake, good. But I'm not convinced. It's something very general.

Then I thought that the marriageable maiden is really a subordinate position, isn't it? So, that has led me to conclude that it is at work that I find my soul mate. Because the place where I am in a subordinate position is mostly in that.

Still, I'd like to hear your opinions, maybe you can give me some more clues.

Thank you very much,

Blue77~

 

[Liselle]

I was about to say the same thing - somewhere where you're in a lower position, or are primarily serving other people in some way.

 

[Trojina]

I don't think you should take this answer as pointing to where your soulmate is. The answer is talking directly to you not pointing out where a person is.

It's just saying you aren't in control of the process of connecting to such a person. It's not like a map where it says 'go there and you will find X' as if it were a puzzle. It's not like that. We don't I think meet significant others just when we choose, there are other factors beyond our knowledge.

54 is the pair of 53. 53 is gradual development towards marriage, 54 in contrast can be way more contractual, being second to expediency. In asking where you will find your soul mate 54 could be saying you are trying to rush/skip steps to find someone as if this were in your control when it isn't.

 

[Liselle]

^^^ Could very well be. I overspoke.

In any event, it's probably not sensible to scrutinize people at work or anywhere else with this in mind. Well, any more than people do anyway, I guess. But there's a difference between "I'm looking for someone to date" in general, and "I'm looking for someone to date and Yi said this person is at my workplace." It would put you in an odd and possibly unhelpful mindset.

And Trojina is right - Yi didn't literally say that. 54 could describe many things and many types of places, even if the reading is a direct answer. Whenever you do meet The Person, you might only recognize the 54 of it in hindsight.

 

[Azul77]

I don't think you should take this answer as pointing to where your soulmate is. The answer is talking directly to you not pointing out where a person is.

It's just saying you aren't in control of the process of connecting to such a person. It's not like a map where it says 'go there and you will find X' as if it were a puzzle. It's not like that. We don't I think meet significant others just when we choose, there are other factors beyond our knowledge.

54 is the pair of 53. 53 is gradual development towards marriage, 54 in contrast can be way more contractual, being second to expediency. In asking where you will find your soul mate 54 could be saying you are trying to rush/skip steps to find someone as if this were in your control when it isn't.

Hi Trojina, I think you are right in your reasoning because it would be a panacea for Yi to tell us things so literally. But it turns out that on several occasions he has predicted situations just like that and so, I wonder, what if this answer is also like that, literal?
That's what makes me wonder now, how to distinguish when (s)he's speaking almost directly or when s/he's speaking as you have explained it, which has all the logic...

 

[Azul77]

^^^ Could very well be. I overspoke.

In any event, it's probably not sensible to scrutinize people at work or anywhere else with this in mind. Well, any more than people do anyway, I guess. But there's a difference between "I'm looking for someone to date" in general, and "I'm looking for someone to date and Yi said this person is at my workplace." It would put you in an odd and possibly unhelpful mindset.

And Trojina is right - Yi didn't literally say that. 54 could describe many things and many types of places, even if the reading is a direct answer. Whenever you do meet The Person, you might only recognize the 54 of it in hindsight.

And Liselle, thank you for your first answer, maybe it happened to you like me, a little bit, that the two interpretations fit together, or am I wrong?

 

[Trojina]

Hi Trojina, I think you are right in your reasoning because it would be a panacea for Yi to tell us things so literally. But it turns out that on several occasions he has predicted situations just like that and so, I wonder, what if this answer is also like that, literal?
That's what makes me wonder now, how to distinguish when (s)he's speaking almost directly or when s/he's speaking as you have explained it, which has all the logic..

I think if it jumps out at you as literal or you feel it to be literal then that's a good guide but we can't always tell that's for sure. Much of how to take it is going to be down to your own conversation style/relationship with Yi. If you are used to literal predictions then maybe this is a literal prediction.

You said yourself 54uc is a very general answer and the thing is we must be in 54 situations many times in one day. One might be said to be in a 54 situation when queuing at the checkout in a grocery store, or waiting at traffic lights. Wherever it is one's own agenda cannot take precedence, it's not at your own pace, there's a bigger framework one is slotting into.

But 54 and 53 both concern marriage and while you ask about a soul mate Yi is talking about marriage. I wonder almost if it redirecting the question, what are you really asking? It might be questioning your way of thinking about this. Someone you stay with and live with long term isn't necessarily what people refer to as 'soul mate', I don't know.

But yes for all I know it might be literal but then it doesn't seem a very useful answer to me to tell you you will meet your soul mate in a situation where you don't have a great deal of agency. I'm not sure how that's useful to you.

If you believe in soul mates then you'd also, I imagine, believe in destiny, someone 'meant' for you and in that case you are subordinate to destiny to the timing of things controlled by bigger forces than you.

People often forget there is a question of readiness for such deep relationship. We are led to think we can just get someone regardless of whether we are ready or whether it's right for us at this time. I'm not saying that applies to you as I wouldn't know about that I'm just saying it's often a question of readiness as much as opportunity.

Trigrams thunder over lake - well you never know you might meet your soulmate boating on a lake in a storm

Oh also I forgot to say 54 here could mean you don't choose you are chosen. You may not recognise this as a 'soul mate' thing at all, it may be a lot more prosaic. But it's surprising how many people end up together because one person pursued or chose and the other went along with it still thinking there was this 'better' soul mate out there....and then finding in time this is the soul mate, the person you're spending your life with. In such a case a person has gradually 'grown into' the marriage as with successful arranged marriages. While the marrying maiden is in a lowly position Hilary often stresses she is actually going to go on to found a dynasty, produce children, become part of the empire. (Liselle can correct me/add to if I misrepresent what Hilary says.. ) Anyway there are many instances of people going into long term partnerships where there's no romance or soulmateishness to start with at all and yet both parties grow together into something more through their union.

 

[Azul77]

I think if it jumps out at you as literal or you feel it to be literal then that's a good guide but we can't always tell that's for sure. Much of how to take it is going to be down to your own conversation style/relationship with Yi. If you are used to literal predictions then maybe this is a literal prediction.

You said yourself 54uc is a very general answer and the thing is we must be in 54 situations many times in one day. One might be said to be in a 54 situation when queuing at the checkout in a grocery store, or waiting at traffic lights. Wherever it is one's own agenda cannot take precedence, it's not at your own pace, there's a bigger framework one is slotting into.

But 54 and 53 both concern marriage and while you ask about a soul mate Yi is talking about marriage. I wonder almost if it redirecting the question, what are you really asking? It might be questioning your way of thinking about this. Someone you stay with and live with long term isn't necessarily what people refer to as 'soul mate', I don't know.

But yes for all I know it might be literal but then it doesn't seem a very useful answer to me to tell you you will meet your soul mate in a situation where you don't have a great deal of agency. I'm not sure how that's useful to you.

If you believe in soul mates then you'd also, I imagine, believe in destiny, someone 'meant' for you and in that case you are subordinate to destiny to the timing of things controlled by bigger forces than you.

People often forget there is a question of readiness for such deep relationship. We are led to think we can just get someone regardless of whether we are ready or whether it's right for us at this time. I'm not saying that applies to you as I wouldn't know about that I'm just saying it's often a question of readiness as much as opportunity.

Trigrams thunder over lake - well you never know you might meet your soulmate boating on a lake in a storm

Oh also I forgot to say 54 here could mean you don't choose you are chosen. You may not recognise this as a 'soul mate' thing at all, it may be a lot more prosaic. But it's surprising how many people end up together because one person pursued or chose and the other went along with it still thinking there was this 'better' soul mate out there....and then finding in time this is the soul mate, the person you're spending your life with. In such a case a person has gradually 'grown into' the marriage as with successful arranged marriages. While the marrying maiden is in a lowly position Hilary often stresses she is actually going to go on to found a dynasty, produce children, become part of the empire. (Liselle can correct me/add to if I misrepresent what Hilary says.. ) Anyway there are many instances of people going into long term partnerships where there's no romance or soulmateishness to start with at all and yet both parties grow together into something more through their union.

I have to tell you that I laughed out loud when I read about finding your soul mate sailing on a lake in a storm... I visualised it and I couldn't help laughing! But I tell you, with the times Yi has been literal, it could happen, it could!

Thank you for developing your opinion on this outcome in this reading. It has helped me to reflect and see other perspectives and I like that.

Sometimes the subordinate positions have more power than the main ones and end up being the main ones because they have earned it....

I wish I could update this reading in some time but perhaps my soul mate is still a long time away from meeting or recognising him.

We'll see

Thanks for this interesting talk, a pleasure to read you, Trojina.

 

[Liselle]

While the marrying maiden is in a lowly position Hilary often stresses she is actually going to go on to found a dynasty, produce children, become part of the empire. (Liselle can correct me/add to if I misrepresent what Hilary says.. )

I think that's exactly right. It's what the lines say as you go through them. Of course Hilary explains them very well, and often points out that the big pay-off is in the next generation and how that sort of time frame can be important in readings.

(Of course that's if *I* understand it right, and also of course there weren't moving lines in Azul's reading though it's still the story and gist of the hexagram.)

 

[Azul77]

I think that's exactly right. It's what the lines say as you go through them. Of course Hilary explains them very well, and often points out that the big pay-off is in the next generation and how that sort of time frame can be important in readings.

(Of course that's if *I* understand it right, and also of course there weren't moving lines in Azul's reading though it's still the story and gist of the hexagram.)

Thanks Liselle for the expanding information and your time to help me.

 

[rosada]

Interesting how some times readings can be literal and other times more philosophical. 54. The Marrying Maiden might be saying you literally meet your soul mate when you are surrounded by Marrying Maidens like at a bridal shower or more abstractly at work where you have no authority or on a philosophical level you meet him just when you are feeling you are The Marrying Maiden, always the bridesmaid but never the bride.

Anyway, to try to figure out how this works I decided to see if we could get a clue by asking something I already knew the answer to so I asked, “where did I meet my husband?” I got 47.2- 45, Confined, surrounded by people at meat and drink but not really connected, making a small offering and then changing to Gathering. Well the reality was I met Carl while grocery shopping - so surrounded by food - with a mutual friend, and gave him my phone number - a small offering - and then when he called I was at dinner with friends - so a Gathering.. I guess in hindsight one could say the IChing described where we met but I sure could not have used this info as a guide to go some place to meet him. However on a philosophical level I think it could be said the I Ching well described my mental state back then - my first husband had recently died and so even though I was surrounded by people I was feeling 47. Alone in 45. The Crowd. So maybe 54 is a clue for how you might be feeling when you meet your soul mate - you’ll meet when you are in some head space where you are feeling like a Marrying Maiden even if you aren’t one literally.
Personally I think the term “soulmate” is kinda tricky. What does it actually mean? Maybe ask, “How will I recognize my soul mate?” But still there’s the implication that if you are with the “right” one it lasts forever when actually we can connect with the “right” people and it’s great but that doesn’t mean the connection is meant to last forever. Thinking it should can mess up a wonderful one night stand!
Let us know!

 

[Azul77]

Interesting how some times readings can be literal and other times more philosophical. 54. The Marrying Maiden might be saying you literally meet your soul mate when you are surrounded by Marrying Maidens like at a bridal shower or more abstractly at work where you have no authority or on a philosophical level you meet him just when you are feeling you are The Marrying Maiden, always the bridesmaid but never the bride.

Anyway, to try to figure out how this works I decided to see if we could get a clue by asking something I already knew the answer to so I asked, “where did I meet my husband?” I got 47.2- 45, Confined, surrounded by people at meat and drink but not really connected, making a small offering and then changing to Gathering. Well the reality was I met Carl while grocery shopping - so surrounded by food - with a mutual friend, and gave him my phone number - a small offering - and then when he called I was at dinner with friends - so a Gathering.. I guess in hindsight one could say the IChing described where we met but I sure could not have used this info as a guide to go some place to meet him. However on a philosophical level I think it could be said the I Ching well described my mental state back then - my first husband had recently died and so even though I was surrounded by people I was feeling 47. Alone in 45. The Crowd. So maybe 54 is a clue for how you might be feeling when you meet your soul mate - you’ll meet when you are in some head space where you are feeling like a Marrying Maiden even if you aren’t one literally.
Personally I think the term “soulmate” is kinda tricky. What does it actually mean? Maybe ask, “How will I recognize my soul mate?” But still there’s the implication that if you are with the “right” one it lasts forever when actually we can connect with the “right” people and it’s great but that doesn’t mean the connection is meant to last forever. Thinking it should can mess up a wonderful one night stand!
Let us know!

Rosada, reading your comment I had a couple of new thoughts.
I think yes, Yi describes me as the Marrying Maiden, I feel like everyone (at least around me or almost everyone) is with someone, sharing their life, accompanied and I have a hard time finding that right person.
And on the other hand, you have made me see how to unite how the oracle speaks to us in a descriptive and predictive way thanks to your example. Looking back at other readings it has really been like that, because those predictions I have actually recognised in retrospect.
Then, to sum up, I think the I Ching has a very astute way of teaching us, giving us some words and leaving us with the runaround to make the teaching more fruitful. And also to leave us free to decide in our lives.
If I have any experience in reality, in my reality, regarding all that we have talked about, I will come back to update and share because now I am much more curious than when I asked.
And thank you Rosada, for your contribution and your comment, I found it very interesting.
Between Liselle, Trojina and you, you have made me reflect and have more knowledge about the I Ching and its teachings.

Azul77 ~

 

[Benthos]

@Azull77

You asked where. I say in the past, it already happened. And I think you know her/his name. It was a complex time. Your soulmate did not recognize you at that moment neither did you. Now you drift furher away.

 

[Trojina]

@Azull77

You asked where. I say in the past, it already happened. And I think you know her/his name. It was a complex time. Your soulmate did not recognize you at that moment neither did you. Now you drift furher away.

Perhaps you could explain how you get that from 54uc ? It seems completely unconnected to 54uc as far as I can see?

 

[rosada]

Benthos, I’m not following your thinking. Can you elaborate on how you get your interpretation that they have already met, she knows his name, but they didn’t connect and have now drifted away all from The Marrying Maiden?

 

[rosada]

“Marrying Maiden image: The noble one perpetually flows through endings to see what is flawed.”
In other words you have to kiss a lot of toads before you meet the handsome prince.

 

[steve]

Hi, yes the answer is unchanging, there is something you need to address, there is more to it than what you seek, my understanding is that the time is not right now. You are in a subordinate position currently. I am only answering on how if i recieved the reading how I would intereperate the response if it was me

 

[rosada]

Hi Steve - Yes, Hilary says in Wikiwing that 54 can be saying this is something you’re not ready for or it’s not time yet.

 

[steve]

Yes unchanging

 

[Azul77]

@Azull77

You asked where. I say in the past, it already happened. And I think you know her/his name. It was a complex time. Your soulmate did not recognize you at that moment neither did you. Now you drift furher away.

Hello, thank you for your contribution but I don't see how to interpret your deduction, could you add something more to understand or to be able to reflect?

 

[Azul77]

Hi, yes the answer is unchanging, there is something you need to address, there is more to it than what you seek, my understanding is that the time is not right now. You are in a subordinate position currently. I am only answering on how if i recieved the reading how I would intereperate the response if it was me

Actually, that's how I've been feeling for a while now, like a Marrying Maiden .

 

[Benthos]

Hello, thank you for your contribution but I don't see how to interpret your deduction, could you add something more to understand or to be able to reflect?

Your question shows a need for great affinity. I deduced you already experienced it, and you long for it. On the other hand, H54 plays the shadow side to h53, gradual developement. In h53 uc, there is potential for something to happen, but many readings show, nothing happens after. H54uc could mean therefore it already happened, in my interpretation at least. Its nuclear hexagram, which helps sometime to decipher the meaning, is 63. completion or already across. You long for something in the past. The reading could also encourage you to find new affinities with new people, and probably not with people who have put you on hold.

 

[Azul77]

Your question shows a need for great affinity. I deduced you already experienced it, and you long for it. On the other hand, H54 plays the shadow side to h53, gradual developement. In h53 uc, there is potential for something to happen, but many readings show, nothing happens after. H54uc could mean therefore it already happened, in my interpretation at least. Its nuclear hexagram, which helps sometime to decipher the meaning, is 63. completion or already across. You long for something in the past. The reading could also encourage you to find new affinities with new people, and probably not with people who have put you on hold.

But I was asking about a physical place? So, I don't understand your interpretation.
I'm sorry for that. Thanks for expanding on your comment.

 

[veavea]

The problem is, sometimes we ask a question based on a fundamental misapprehension and any interpretation will similarly be based on a faulty assumption. What if there is no soulmate? What if there’s no such thing as a soulmate? What if there are several? What do you even mean by soulmate? What if you have one but never meet them? What if you don’t meet them in a physical place? Or, if being literal, then ‘at work’ isn’t a literal interpretation, it would be more like an arranged marriage, someone else’s wedding or even someone else’s partner. There are way too many variables to make sense of such a closed question! Like others have suggested, I’d open up the question a little more…

 

[Azul77]

True, maybe there is no soul mate as such, maybe it's just a term to encompass what we look for in a partner, which doesn't mean it exists, and maybe the question was too general.
But I do believe that there is someone similar to me and with whom I can be at ease in all aspects of life, which is why I have given my question a twist.

So, let's see... Perhaps a more elaborate and to the point question would be the following:

"Where do I meet the right person for whom I am attracted, not only physically but also mentally, who has a lot of similar interests and who wants to share moments and experiences with me?

Well, the result was: 20.5.6 - 2

It seems that he means, referring to the place, a high area, to be literal. And this leads me to think that where I work I perform a task in which I receive people in an entrance where I am, literally, in a higher position.
And if I delve into the aspect beyond the literal, it's kind of saying to wait and see but not act, to be receptive by opening myself to the experience without prejudice, without assumptions, which reminds me a bit of 54 uc and its subordinate position....
So I think, this new reading complements the previous, more concrete one.

What do you think of this new dimension? Am I seeing what I want to see? Or am I being objective? 20.5.6

Thank you in advance for your comments and suggestions. It's a pleasure to share opinions.

 

[Benthos]

"Where do I meet the right person for whom I am attracted, not only physically but also mentally, who has a lot of similar interests and who wants to share moments and experiences with me?

Well, the result was: 20.5.6 - 2

Nice question. If you had to choose 2 of these 4, between a) physical attraction, b) strong mental connection, c) similar interests and d) sharing together, which ones would you prefer? Maybe that could narrow down the search for a specific place.