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why the authors give a parent/offspring relationship?
This is not absolute truth. It is relative truth, a local truth, shared between kindred spirits.
Fu is not "the truth" because that is an empty concept which does not exist anywhere.Only in small parts, one sentence, one idea, and even there only if there is agreement about it. But a person can have 'his' truth, and pass that on to others, inspiring them with it.
What wine symbolize here ?
I would like to know what a crane symbolises. . .
A crying crane in the shade signifies that it can’t be seen, but its young can recognize and responds to its cry. The hexagram name, 中Zhong 孚Fu , is two important virtues of I Ching. 61.2 possesses them, which is unknown to the public as it is in the shade and its virtue is obscured. However those who are of one kind (i.e. those who also possesses the same virtue, like clan’s DNA) can recognize it and will respond to its call. 61.2 values its virtue very much like a goblet of good wine and would like to share it with those who also possess and value it.
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I believe that here the jue symbolizes communion between the living and the dead. The jue is graphically implicit in hexagram 17 where it symbolizes communion between leader and cadre.
The line feels like a toast.
During the conclave deliberations prior to the election of JP2 to the Papacy, one of the Cardinals across the room, raised his wine-glass to the Polish Cardinal. Several of the other Cardinals followed suit. He was none too pleased about this, but later when the call came, he acquiesced.
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A crying crane in the shade signifies that it can’t be seen, but its young can recognize and responds to its cry.
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Wind and thunder: the image of INCREASE.
Thus the superior man:
If he sees good, he imitates it;
If he has faults, he rids himself of them.
Wilhelm
Could you post a similar to Fu character explanation , for the Chinese character "crane" ?
Hi Anemos,
For your reference:
鶴huo is constituted by two characters: 隺huo and 鳥niao.
鳥niao is a bird, while 隺huo signifies (a short tailed bird隹) flying high (through the boundary冂).
To a Chinese, the message which is revealed from 鶴 is 1) a bird 鳥 2) which can fly high, and 3) it is pronounced in 隺huo.
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Tuck
Maybe i'm connecting the wrong dots , but 61.2 leads to 42 and fits with the "moderation" concept you talk about in 61.2
thank you Brad. Very useful. !
Makes me think though if the source of this info is from Yi or Yi authors brought that believe in the texts.
This is not absolute truth. It is relative truth, a local truth, shared between kindred spirits.
Filial piety
Main article: Filial piety
"Filial piety" (Chinese: 孝; pinyin: xiào) is considered among the greatest of virtues and must be shown towards both the living and the dead (including even remote ancestors). The term "filial" (meaning "of a child") characterizes the respect that a child, originally a son, should show to his parents. This relationship was extended by analogy to a series of five relationships (Chinese: 五倫; pinyin: wǔlún):[19]
The Five Bonds
Ruler to Ruled
Father to Son
Husband to Wife
Elder Brother to Younger Brother
Friend to Friend
1. The Scope and Meaning of the Treatise (or "Opening Explanation").
Zhong Ni (Confucius) was at home, and Zheng Zi was in attendance. The Teacher said, “The Former Kings have a most important virtue and way of conduct, to make the world harmonious, the people practice peace and cordiality, and neither above nor below have resentment. Do you know what it is?”
Zheng Zi got off his mat and said, “I, Shen, am not clever; how would I know it?” The Teacher said, “Xiao is the foundation of virtue, and is what all teaching grows out of. Sit down; I will tell you.
“The body, hair and skin, all have been received from the parents, and so one doesn’t dare damage them—that is the beginning of xiao. Establishing oneself, practicing The Way, spreading the fame of one’s name to posterity, so that one’s parents become renowned—that is the end of xiao. Thus xiao starts with serving one’s parents, progresses with serving one’s lord, and ends with establishing oneself. The ‘Great Refined Odes’ say, ‘Do not just commemorate your ancestors; cultivate your virtue .’”
2. Filial Piety / Xiao in the Son of Heaven.
The Teacher said, “He who loves his parents does not dare to do evil unto others; he who respects his parents does not dare to be arrogant to others. Love and respect are exerted to the utmost in serving the parents, and this virtue and teaching is extended to the people; the example is shown to the whole world beyond China. That is the xiao of the Son of Heaven. The book Fu on Law says, ‘One person has cause to celebrate; the multitudes rely on that.’
Or truth as a light bulb lighting up, as insight, bradford says that's local in 61.2 I see this in my two experiences with this line. They were along the lines of , ahhh (bright eyes with elevated spirit) they get it too. Also these times literally involved drinking, tea and coffee though. Both people were related to me, one was my sister, and the other was a brother-from-another-mother, you know those people who aren't related but feel like they are.
I dunno what originally is meant by the drinking but it is the most common thing I share with others, lets go fro a coffee, a beer etc.
Or, maybe Yi was referring to sharing wine in accordance with your higher kin and authority.
My question about local, what if your father and mother are deceased? It is a common Chinese custom to put out a cup of wine (or tea) to share with ones ancestors, along with some fruit or rice and incense, on a small sacrificial altar. How local is that?
I mean, realistically, how much of the Yi can be interpreted literally? It was Bradford who not so long ago lectured me that the Yijing is a book of metaphors. Do we literally meet a great man every time Yi says to see him, do we join a real militia or army when we receive 7? Does a three legged caldron really break a leg and fall and soil a real prince, each time we receive 50.4? Then why would 61.2 of necessity refer to a literal, local sharing of a goblet of wine, or even refer to a symbolic sharing with a specific literal other person? Why is it not also a metaphor, which can apply in a number of different ways? Pure hogwash (that's meant as a metaphor).
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