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Hi, everyone! I'm new to this forum and I'm a beginner at this but in so many ways I Ching has already helped me SO much and I'm so thankful I found it at the time I did!

This is very personal so please excuse the long back story, but it would be much appreciated if I could have some help on 7 unchanging in regards to asking whether or not a person loves another person.

There is someone who I was with in the past and we liked each other very VERY much but life got in the way and we had to separate. There was some promise of reuniting in the beginning but after the separation, and somewhat during the relationship, I fell into a very dark hole emotionally. It wasn't related to him but a negative situation I had just come out of, and he just had happened to come around at that time. I should be honest because I would love to hear ideas on how this is relevant to my situation specifically, so I will just come out and say that I developed an eating disorder which really strongly controlled my life for three years. So, this year I finally went to treatment for that which I am very happy about. I realized a lot in treatment including how selfish and destructive my approach towards other people has been over these few years.

I considered him pretty much lost forever at that point probably because I was not very nice to him or myself after we parted ways, and I've heard he has some anger towards me although he has never shown it. Everything had been okay to that point until a couple of weeks ago. I deleted my SNS accounts because it was keeping me tied to old habits, and he reached out to someone to see if I was okay. That person, apparently not to be trusted lol, told me about it and it really shocked me that he was still watching out for me somehow even though we have not spoken in three years. Also, there is no real way he would have known about those accounts since I never told him and don't use my real name there. So, I guess somewhere along the line he had gathered information about me secretly and been watching me without contacting me for a certain period of time.

After much confusion and sorting through the negativity, I started consulting the I Ching about this situation and without a lot of surprise the answers about him and his motivations and feelings were not very positive. In general, the answers seem to be pointing towards a few vague concepts: 'he needs/wants you to make drastic changes,' '

I can remember some startling answers off the top of my head to give more context: I asked what changes I need to make and received 44 and 63 unchanging. I asked about his feelings about me and got 11 unchanging and 2 unchanging before. 45 comes up very often with different changing lines. When I ask about what he wants/needs from me I get some pretty downer hexes like 12 and 23 with changing lines.

I do get some nice and fuzzy answers sometimes, particularly when I ask about feelings. So, I decided to just bite the bullet and I asked "Does he love me?" I got 7 unchanging. I asked right after, perhaps to fact check, "Do I love him?" And I got 50 unchanging. Both of them being unchanging really struck me so I decided to think about those answers for a while and stop consulting. Oh my gosh, 50 unchanging is so accurate for me. Yes, I do think this person is a strong part of my destiny/life path no matter how the relationship manifests on Earth. The interpretations read like pages from my mind. But 7 unchanging is very unclear for me because I really don't see many examples of how this comes up in regards to love. It feels extremely unromantic, and like a 'heck no' for me, if I'm being perfectly honest!

I just want to know if I'm being too dismissive of this hexagram or if I am seeing very clearly a one-sided nature. I have come to terms with the fact that I may have destroyed this beyond repair by this point so I'd really appreciate honest feedback. Thanks!
 

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There is someone who I was with in the past and we liked each other very VERY much but life got in the way and we had to separate...

... it really shocked me that he was still watching out for me somehow even though we have not spoken in three years...
...So, I guess somewhere along the line he had gathered information about me secretly and been watching me without contacting me for a certain period of time.

... I started consulting the I Ching about this situation and without a lot of surprise the answers about him and his motivations and feelings were not very positive...

... So, I decided to just bite the bullet and I asked "Does he love me?" I got 7 unchanging. I asked right after, perhaps to fact check, "Do I love him?" And I got 50 unchanging. Both of them being unchanging really struck me so I decided to think about those answers for a while and stop consulting.

Oh my gosh, 50 unchanging is so accurate for me. Yes, I do think this person is a strong part of my destiny/life path no matter how the relationship manifests on Earth. The interpretations read like pages from my mind. But 7 unchanging is very unclear for me because I really don't see many examples of how this comes up in regards to love. It feels extremely unromantic, and like a 'heck no' for me, if I'm being perfectly honest!

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Hi, Angel:

Be welcome to the forum!

I don't know if what I will say can be of some help for you and I must warned you that my points of view use to fall far of the mainstream in I Ching interpretation. I start usually from a literal transation from the received chinese text.

H.7 The Army, I believe discourages to take the way of war:

師貞

shi1 zhen1
ARMY DIVINATION
Divining about army,
To have doubts about whether to take or not the way to war.

丈人吉
zhang4 ren2 ji2
OLDER MEN LUCKY
Older men will be fortunate for they will not be taken to serve in the army.
Husbands will be lucky if they can escape the levy and remain with their families.

无咎
wu2 jiu4
NO WRONG.
Nothing wrong in it.
I believe that H.7 unchanged, in relation with your consult, is advicing not to take the way of conflicts, it's lucky and no wrong to escape from WAR.

To have been spying you doesn't promise but conflict an abuse. Take care.

H.50 The Cauldron

鼎元吉亨
ding3 yuan2 ji2 heng1
DING MAINLY LUCKY FEAST
Cauldron: mostly fortunate celebration.

The so called Cauldron was a ritual bronze pot where food was prepared for one's ancestors or one's guests. A door through which one shares food (offering and receiving) with the otherworld (invisible) or the social world (visible). Such interchage, i fair, is mostly fortunate and is a celebration.

The cauldron become the image of our ancestors, of our moral conscience but also of our true being, our drives, aims and consciousness, even of our social behavior.

The celebration of giving an receiving in all these orders is which results fortunate.

Nothing of will of god. Nothing of unfair relations.

Only you can know if the upper considerations fit to you consult. Good answers must fit like tailored clothes.

All the best,

Charly
 

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Thank you very much Charly for your reply. This did help me a lot and I have to say it's extremely accurate actually! :stir:

I wanted to reply sooner but extra information came to light that changed everything I previously perceived so I wanted to let that manifest for a bit to get more clarity on the situation. I now have come to the awareness that his concern was not out of love, and I have to say that 7uc does make complete and total sense once I learned more information. When I read your interpretation I couldn't help but focus on how much of the hexagram talks of AVOIDING being "drafted into some war" so to speak. Once I learned the new information, everything made perfect and complete sense.

If anyone else happens upon this thread, I can say how it has manifested for me: He still has feelings for me but he needs to suppress them. He is currently living in a bubble of happy self-gratification (I had asked once what is his current position on life in general -> 58.1.6, accurate!) and his concern for me is more of a nagging "I better make sure she didn't die or something" concern rather than any kind of reach out. His apparent surveillance of me is more of a bad habit that he needs to probably stop doing rather than some kind of genuine care. Avoiding being drafted in a war you didn't make and the mirror image emotion of feeling like you are being drafted in a war you didn't make is a pretty perfect picture of what he is going through right now.

I found out new information I should probably keep private for now but let's just say that, there is someone else in this situation I did NOT EXPECT at ALL to be involved, in a major way. I had asked a while before what I would learn from this situation and received 25uc. I thought I would learn that he still liked me which is pretty unexpected but, moral of the story is DON'T underestimate hex 25! In this case it truly is something I would never have come to conclude on my own, going above and beyond anything I thought was happening.

There is a lot of danger involved currently when it comes to Mr. 7uc and me. I got a lot of readings that reflect that and I can definitely see he has reacted to the difficult situation by walling himself in his 58.1.6 fleeting material comforts, a learning experience he probably needs to pass through on his own.

So, for the take home message: In my situation 7uc has manifested in that he still cares about me. But more importantly, his care for me is actually pulling him into a war-like situation beyond his control that he doesn't want to fight in but sort of has to because he can't help feeling an obligatory attachment. I'm not sure I would call it love off the cuff, but there is a deep connection which may not manifest in his life all too positively at the moment.

So I will definitely respect what he's going through and not make it too difficult for him. Thanks again! :bows:
 

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