Fallout from Christmas Disaster - Unchanging 16

[micheline]

hi jesed and matt

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The 16 situation isnt the same on all levels, and it doesnt just mean someone obnoxious and outspoken, acting without restraint etc. Like all energy, there is lower and higher vibrations, it has just been my observation that 16 can manifest itself this way. On higher vibrations 16 can work in a completely different way.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

I agree! if the Yi's answer was describing Chris' response,it is saying that it was in harmony with the situation, it was spontaneous but appropriate. He didnt make nice-nice, but sometimes making nice is not what the situation calls for.

Based on what Chris just said, maybe there is a good chance this man will be inspired to do what needs to do. Or at least take a good long look at how his problem is likely to cost him. that is how I see the "fall-out" of all this. Chris' response IS the 16, it is the gong being banged!

I guess based on the situations involved, the way to inspire and enthuse others to action can be quite varied.

I could also see where 16 might refer to a person who drinks too much. It is said that they look for Spirit in "the spirits". In disguise, the drinking problem could indicate a readiness to be carried away, a loud cry for meaning and hope.

Or am I getting carried away?

I like riding elephants.

 

[rosada]

Chris,

I see your question as being unclear. "What's happening with the fallout from the Christmas party incident with D.?"
Did you mean what caused it? Or what will be the effect on your friendship? Or will it cause D. to get help?
As it is, I interpreted it as meaning that the incident caused you to "set [your] armies marching" and indeed, you did leave the party {and darn near declared war!}.

I think a different question might give you more useful information, such as, "How can I best relate to D. at this time?'

That D. is a Scorpio does suggest someone who will push the envelope, Moon in Aries - it's his world, the rest of us just live in it, and Capricorn rising - issues with what is appropriate behavior.

You being a Virgo are often cast as the Helpful Friend, and with moon in Libra the sign of partnership you amazingly willing to adapt to create harmony in a friendship. However, with your Leo rising, people better not take advantage of your kindness and especially not disrespect you and super especially not in public. That Libra moon rules not just peace but also war and if pushed too far (and Scorpios inevitably push too far) you know how to sever the tie.

Anyway, back to Bruce's question, How do you see 16 now ?

 

[cguleff]

Rosada, I was concerned about the outcome in the reading. I intuitively knew that my reaction was correct. I was willing to accept the consequences no matter what. Actually, I had a hard time phrasing this question.

Bruce, In light of the discussion I see 16 both as a representation of my friend's personality AND my response. Some phrases from Karcher's Total I Ching under "The Scholar Speaks" make sense here: "establish the watch so you are ready for violent visitors ... Have a firm purpose and act on it. Yield and build up the capacity to spontaneously respond to a stimulus."

MORE 16's: My friend is a November 16th Scorpio. I've been told that numerologically the 16 poses a challenge that often leads to alcohol problems. I'm a September 16th Virgo, but my challenge is softened by the numerology of my first name, Christopher.

SHORT TERM OUTCOME: My friend received the letter I sent and called, leaving a message stating that I was correct about the alcoholism and apologizing for hurting me. I called back. He was depressed and had been crying. What he'll do now, I can't say. At least I got his attention and he's willing to talk about the issue.

BTW, this relationship is a karmic one which began when I was 26 and he was 8. A group of children came up to play with our dog in the park. One of the boys just stood there and stared directly into my eyes. I remembered the incident vividly for years, never knowing who the boy was or what he wanted. Thirty years later we met as adults and I put it together when he showed me a picture of himself at 8 years old. He corroborated my story. He said he was silently pleading with me to get him away from his abusive family.

Thank you all for the insights and interesting discussion. I'm always amazed at the many ways the I Ching speaks to us and the varied approaches to interpretation. I can say that I have a lot more to think about now.

Chris

 

[bruce]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your feedback on this reading. Sounds like you did manage to get through to your friend, and based on his tears and such, he did seem shaken up by your words and the danger of losing a long term friend. Both of you were shaken up, and 16, as you've said, seemed to have spoken to both.

It's never easy to cut ties with a relationship such as this, but I believe we do need to have limits on how much of ourselves we're willing to offer to someone who doesn't view the friendship with the same respect as we offer to them.

Best.

 

[rosada]

What an amazing story, Chris!

Today we are experiencing a new moon in Capricorn, the sign ruling your friend's ascendant and thus his physical body and total outlook on life. Perhaps this indicates this month ahead offers him the motivation and opportunity to transform his habits and his life.

Hexagram 16 talks about music and motivation - a clap of thunder - one strong yang line activating the passive yin. Now with your feedback and the wisdom of hindsight I'm going to jot down in my notes, "Hexagram 16: A wake up call."

 

[rosada]

Chris,

As a wake up call in hexagram 16 would be a call to the temple, that is, a call to remember one's higher purpose, I think it's very meaningful that you were inspired to meditate after the incident and to send the message you received on to your friend. Would it be too personal to share with us here what thoughts came to you?

Just Curious.

 

[cguleff]

Rosada,

Thank you for asking. I'm always willing to answer sincere questions. I feel it important to be open with others, and keep few secrets with regard to myself.

My intuitions never come as thoughts or words, but as a strong feeling inside me. They sort of manifest as an "Umph!" and a flash of realization follows.

This time, I got the feeling that I should tell him two things: first, that he could not continue his spiritual development until he addresses his alcohol issues, and second, the reason he has not been able to get back to work is because of his marijuana dependence. (He had asked the second question out loud earlier in the day.)

I knew I had to write this in a letter, send it to him, and not to speak with him until he acknowledged receiving the letter. I began by explaining how the message came to me. There was resistance if I tried to elaborate on the message in any way. I ended it with an affirmation and prayer closing meaningful to him. That was the way it came to me.

I appreciate everyone's comments and questions . If I don't get back onto the site before 2006, I would like to wish all of you a very rewarding New Year ahead!

Chris