Hex 14 and a Lucky Win

[artio]

Howdy folks. I hope that all is well. Well, quite some time ago a psychic told me that she saw me having a lucky win (I'm thinking along the lines of a lottery win). At the time I took in what she was saying but put it in the back of my mind for a while. Here recently I've really started thinking about what she told me again, and I decided to ask a few questions about the situation. The first couple of readings I think I understand ok, but the one I'm about to post here has me a bit confused. I asked the oracle "What else can you tell me about the lucky win X told me about?" I received Hex 14 with lines 1, 2, and 6 changing to Hex 62. The Hex 14 seems really positive. I want to think that line 1 says to be careful with who I associate with/who I let know about this situation; line 2 says that I have what it takes to make things happen, and line 6 says that Heaven in on my side. But then there's Hex 62... Preponderance of the Small, as in nothing really all that big is going to happen. I've just never had the opinion that Hex 62 is positive. I'm just not too sure what to make of this reading.

 

[mryou1]

Well, with 14 it does seem as if that lucky win is on its way, but there's a warning tagged on with 62. In 14 a yin line possesses 5 yang lines, however, 3/5th (60%) of this is used/converted to yin, and it becomes excessive to the point of trapping two yang lines in 62.

What it seems to say is that the win will come but there's a risk of using it too quickly, maybe so fast that you didn't realize what you had to begin with.

Alternately, 14 shows the sun in the sky above, but then the focus shifts from that to thunder on the mountain. Which could denote that the lucky win is right before you, but there's the possibility of getting knocked off track by immediate distractions.

Either way, pay attention and "keep your eyes on the prize", whatever it is...

 

[artio]

Hello, mryou1. Thank you for replying, I really appreciate you doing so.

What it seems to say is that the win will come but there's a risk of using it too quickly, maybe so fast that you didn't realize what you had to begin with.

Well, I have to say that what you're saying here makes it sound like the prize will not be a very substantial amount of money. That's a really sobering thought. I have to say that my feeling on this reading since I cast it is one of feeling anti-climatic, especially because of the Hex 62 showing up. I don't think the word "small" is one anybody wants being attached to issues about money, unless it's about debt.

I also realize that the info the psychic gave me could have been just a lot of snake oil. I'll still contemplate things on this issue, but maybe the more realistic thing for me to do is save the money that I do have and leave lottery games to the people who feel luckier than I do.

Thanks again for your help, mryou1.

 

[bradford]

If you are looking expectantly for a big win, you have already lost, and more than you paid to the psychic.
If you can figure out how to be humble and content with what you have, then you have already won big.
Hexagram 62 is much closer to being about Humility than Hexagram 15.

 

[artio]

If you are looking expectantly for a big win, you have already lost, and more than you paid to the psychic.
If you can figure out how to be humble and content with what you have, then you have already won big.
Hexagram 62 is much closer to being about Humility than Hexagram 15.

The expectation of at least a somewhat substantial win is the whole reason why people play the lottery. And if most people could be satisfied with what they have in life, even if it's just a little, then the lottery wouldn't even exist because people wouldn't be playing it. So what exactly are you trying to say?

 

[bradford]

The expectation of at least a somewhat substantial win is the whole reason why people play the lottery. And if most people could be satisfied with what they have in life, even if it's just a little, then the lottery wouldn't even exist because people wouldn't be playing it. So what exactly are you trying to say?

I'm saying that the whole lesson of 14 is not a shallow understanding of wealth but that Possession in the Greatest Measure is in taking control of the measure, taking charge of the power to assign value, to appreciate more, to make treasure back into a verb. To open up to the wealth we already have.

From the Sun did I learn this, when it goeth down, the exuberant one: gold doth it then pour into the sea, out of inexhaustible riches, so that even the poorest fisherman roweth even with golden oars! For this did I once see, and did not tire of weeping in beholding it.
Nietzsche

 

[artio]

Well, bradford, that's all well and good, but it was a monetary lucky win that the psychic told me about, and that is what I'm asking the I Ching about. So why shouldn't I expect that the "lucky win" will at least be a little bit substantial and in monetary terms? I mean, that's what the psychic told me about...

Now, if the psychic is a charlatan who just sold me some snake oil, then I can see why someone would say there's the need for the humility to accept that that's what happened and move on.

 

[bradford]

Now, if the psychic is a charlatan who just sold me some snake oil, then I can see why someone would say there's the need for the humility to accept that that's what happened and move on.

You are trying to interpret the Yijing as though the psychic were correct.
You asked "What else can you tell me about the lucky win X told me about?"
but you don't seem to want to step outside of that box of belief in this "professional."
So I think you may be stuck with what the psychic told you.
I personally think the Yi may be telling you what "lucky" and "win" really mean.

 

[artio]

You are trying to interpret the Yijing as though the psychic were correct.

Well, was she correct?

 

[artio]

And you're right: right now the concrete terms of value is what I really care about here. I realize that humility is important, and that there are other, non-concrete ways to view wealth. BUT...that's not what the psychic told me about. She told me about wealth in monetary terms. So, yeah, that's what I care about in this particular instance. And why shouldn't I? I mean, we all need resources in order to live, do we not?

 

[bradford]

And why shouldn't I? I mean, we all need resources in order to live, do we not?

I don't think the Yi is validating her prediction. 62 involves scaling back your expectations.
I guess my resources just don't involve psychics.
Do let us know if it comes true so I can figure out where I went wrong.

 

[artio]

I don't think the Yi is validating her prediction. 62 involves scaling back your expectations.
I guess my resources just don't involve psychics.
Do let us know if it comes true so I can figure out where I went wrong.

I think that you're right, there won't be a monetary lucky win. I guess I never really believed that there would be. To be fair, the psychic may not have been selling snake oil; it may be that the path I was on at the time may have been leading to a monetary lucky win. But paths change.

So a scaling back of my expectations I shall do. I won't be playing the lottery anymore. I'll leave that stuff to luckier folks than I. Back to work Monday morning for me.

 

[bradford]

The first four words of the Yijing (yuan heng li zhen) are translated as many different ways as there are translators. And because they introduce the book a lot of people look for lots of silly meanings there. To me they are just a simple sentence that reads "the best satisfactions are the reward of persistence." In other words, you get what you work for, you get out according to what you put in. If you want the best, do or be your best. We make our own luck.

 

[Liselle]

14.1 sounds the most like the psychic was wrong. Maybe not purposely selling you snake oil, but giving you an impression that is probably incorrect. There are many nuances and facets to every line, and it's hard (if not impossible) to be sure you've gotten the right one before you take it to heart or rely on it.

"Harmful influences" here could mean that the psychic was literally scamming you, to get you to keep paying for readings or whatever, but it sounds like you haven't fallen for that. But it could also just mean the disappointment you feel in your hopes being dashed.

What Bradford is saying could very well be true. I don't like when Yi preaches at me, either, but sometimes it does, and sometimes I deserve it! But it can also start feeling like the Yi is preachy and moralistic about everything, even when it's not. It so happens that just yesterday, I read something here that addresses this:

http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2005/03/21/a-kinder-i-ching/

Back to your reading. Maybe it could be telling you that you'll reap some small (hex 62), but timely and helpful financial windfalls in some unexpected way. A number of small gifts, people "hiring" you for things that barely feel like work, opportunities to sell some things you don't mind parting with - things like that.

Another possibility, especially with 14.6 in the reading, could be that if you have financial fears that are motivating this, they won't materialize. A lack of disaster, if in fact you fear one. That is "blessings and protection from heaven," too. Hex 62 in this sense might mean that "all" you have to do to reap this protection is stay grounded, don't over-reach yourself, and go about your normal, usual life. Not any fun, but better than a catastrophe?

 

[meng]

From my perspective, Brad's pov and artiro's pov can both be applied to the question and Yi's answer, which I happen to think is pretty cool. Parallel perspectives are parallel universes, not necessary opposed.

It would not surprise me if I received 14 concerning a great material windfall, but coupled with 62, it would also advise me to not make a fuss over it, not to draw attention to it unnecessarily. That's just plain ole practical wisdom.

From an ascetic/austere perspective, 14 goes way deeper than that, and I agree with Brad's emphasis, the win you return with has already been lost. Besides that, I can't think of a poorer material for oars than gold.

 

[Liselle]

One more possible interpretation of 14.2 that just occurred to me: keeping your money "mobile," or cash flow.

In other words, if you're trying to manage your finances under some stress, and you have several options that seem reasonable, maybe select whatever will keep you in the best immediate cash position rather than what would save you money in the long term.

Then the whole reading might be:

14.1 - try to keep negative influences at bay (depression, anxiety).
14.2 - emphasize cash flow.
14.6 - if you do those things, you'll be okay.
62 - "lie low," don't over-reach, live your normal everyday life.

 

[artio]

Hello lisa and meng. You both, along with bradford and mryou1, have given me some interesting points to think about. Let me do what maybe I should have done to begin with and post the first two readings I did for this situation. The reading we've been talking about is the third reading I have done. The first reading I asked "What can you tell me about the lucky win X told me about?" and I received Hex 6 line 1 changing to Hex 10. The second reading I did I asked "What can you tell me about the Hex 6 you recently gave me?" and I received Hex 1 lines 1 and 4 changing to Hex 57.

I don't know if bringing up the first two readings really changes anything, but I guess they may give a bit more perspective.

 

[Liselle]

So, to summarize, the three questions were:

1. What can you tell me about the lucky win X told me about? 6.1>10
2. What can you tell me about the Hex 6 you recently gave me? 1.1.4>57
3. What else can you tell me about the lucky win X told me about? 14.1.2.6>62

I don't know if it matters, but could you give us a little more information about your reading with X, since that was the beginning of all this, even prior to I Ching reading #1? What exactly was your question to her? What exactly did she tell you? Was it a tarot reading, and if so, do you remember the cards? (Not that I know much about tarot, but someone might.)

 

[artio]

Hello, lisa. The psychic and the reading she gave me was quite some time ago. I don't remember tarot cards being used. I remember her mentioning that just in general she sometimes uses the I Ching for guidance. I believe that I may have just been getting a general outlook reading, or I may have asked for her to focus on my love life if she asked me about any specifics that I was concerned about. I don't remember asking her anything about money matters. Along with the info about the lucky win, she told me several things I found very unexpected, as in I hadn't asked her about them nor do I remember them being on my mind at the time. Well, that's mainly what I remember right at the moment.

 

[artio]

From an ascetic/austere perspective, 14 goes way deeper than that, and I agree with Brad's emphasis, the win you return with has already been lost. Besides that, I can't think of a poorer material for oars than gold.

I just can't bring myself to necessarily agree with this perspective. I can't remember what text it's in or even the exact hexagram and changing line, but there's one that goes something like "even the sage/buddha had to live like this for ten years before realizing it was an empty way to enlightenment." I do remember this as talking about the down side of asceticism.

 

[Liselle]

If you weren't discussing money, are you sure the "big win" was financial? I mean, did she specifically say "you will win the lottery," or words to that effect?

Right now I really don't know what your three readings mean. I'm kind of fishing for clues!

 

[artio]

Ah ha! I don't journal things too often, but I did journal some of the things she told me at the time. I just found my journal entry for the reading she did. Below is what she said about the lucky win:

"Although Spiritual Readings do not usually show Good Fortune, I am pleased
to tell you that you are the exception to this rule at the moment!
You can expect to have good Fortune over money in respect
of a ‘Lucky Win’yet you will be extremely unselfish and will be prepared
to part with some of this to help less fortunate people, probably a favourite
Charity.
Try to concentrate on using any or all of the following numbers when you are
involved in a game of chance..."

 

[Liselle]

Well, after asking you all this, I'm sorry to say I still don't know what your readings mean. Maybe someone else will.

I don't know what to make of what she told you. It could be on the up-and-up, or it could be charlatan psychic boilerplate drivel. You don't know one way or the other; you just know you haven't come into any money yet. (And you may not. I wonder how many young ladies who have been promised tall dark strangers ever get them!)

Try not to worry about it. If you want to play the lottery (within reason), no harm in doing that.

Well actually - 1.4 can represent playfulness. Maybe that's part of what the readings are saying - go ahead and play. Be lighthearted about it?

I really don't know what else to say about this. Maybe look over the three readings you got, from time to time, in different I Ching commentaries, and maybe something will click into place. Probably don't do more readings about it for a while - it just gets more confusing.

Good luck! (um...literally )

 

[meng]

While I enjoy feeding local critters because they're enjoyable to observe, there's also a philosophical notion: that I prove there is such thing as luck. Out of an abundance of rabbits and birds in the vicinity, the same six or so rabbits come to be fed fresh carrots and share in the bird seed thrown to the ground for the three families of quail, which are always nearby. In my mind, that makes those particular critters very lucky. I prove luck exists by creating it. I think that idea can be derived from 14.

 

[artio]

In my mind, that makes those particular critters very lucky. I prove luck exists by creating it. I think that idea can be derived from 14.

But you're not creating it for yourself; you're creating it for those animals. What about the luck that you create for yourself?

 

[artio]

Well actually - 1.4 can represent playfulness. Maybe that's part of what the readings are saying - go ahead and play. Be lighthearted about it?

That makes sense. Hex 1 line 4: keep playing. I mean, that's how trying to win money via the lottery is referred to: playing the lottery.

But it's the third reading that really stumps me. It just some how does not seem too optimistic.

 

[meng]

Back in my sales mgmt days, we had a saying: The smarter and harder I work, the luckier I get.

But that isn't the kind of pure luck questioningly being associated here with 14, is it. So I suppose it is up to another source to create luck for me, and that also has happened. That's why relying on luck alone is more likely to lead to poverty than big winnings. Having lived in a legalized gambling state for many years, I learned quickly that odds always favor the house, not the gambler. The family that rented my last house before I did, moved back to Texas because the husband caught the gambling bug in Laughlin, NV, and lost their family savings. I suppose if their landlord forgave the debt, that would have been very lucky for them, but what are the odds of that happening?

Other than that, one realizes and acknowledges ones own luck and good fortune already. If they don't, no amount of won money will make them any luckier.

 

[Liselle]

I think 1.4, in this context, could mean there's no harm in playing the lottery, within reason. Don't spend more on tickets than you can well afford, don't be obsessive about it, etc. - that's not from the readings, just good sense (well, the part about being lighthearted is from 1.4) (edited to add: well of course the "playing the lottery" part is from 1.4, just as you said.). You can't win if you don't play...but, obviously, 99.99999% of people who play don't win.

Remember that 1.4 is only ONE line out of six lines in three readings. I have no decent guesses what all the lines and hexagrams mean, separately or together, or even what aspect of the situation they might be addressing. I only mentioned this about 1.4 because I think it could be a reasonable interpretation of this one line in this context, that will probably do no harm if you use good sense. By no means am I sure this is what 1.4 means.

Also, I'm still hoping that if you keep your readings in mind - look at them from time to time with fresh eyes - something might click in. (Sometimes that really does happen )

 

[artio]

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?8357-62-and-bad-luck

On an interesting note, I found this thread on Hex 62 and bad luck while looking through posts about Hex 62. I'm not sure if the Meng who started it is the same Meng who is posting in this thread. I just thought I'd note the interesting parallel of me struggling over issues of luck and someone thinking that Hex 62 is about bad luck. I know that my first impression of 62 is of a bad omen.

 

[meng]

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?8357-62-and-bad-luck

On an interesting note, I found this thread on Hex 62 and bad luck while looking through posts about Hex 62. I'm not sure if the Meng who started it is the same Meng who is posting in this thread. I just thought I'd note the interesting parallel of me struggling over issues of luck and someone thinking that Hex 62 is about bad luck. I know that my first impression of 62 is of a bad omen.

Hi Artio,

Yep, same old young fool as in that thread.

After the swelling eventually went down I could detect a total of 6 stings, and I found a third bark scorpion beneath a damp face cloth a day or two later, so there were likely all three of them in my bed at once that shocking evening.

This is as a good a time and place to share a couple of thoughts which have surfaced since that event, in regard to 62.

a) I immediately stopped making my bed so that any part of sheet or covers are draped onto the floor. On that 'sting night' the blanket slid to the side onto the floor and made a convenient highway to beneath my sheets. Most stings were on my hand, I think because I was instinctively grabbing them in my sleep.

b) I've since moved only a couple of miles away, to where scorpions are rare. I've not seen one yet in the past year. But just to 'increase my luck', I sleep three mattresses high (boxspring + 2 mat), and tuck in any bedding material that may find its way to the floor.

These are two ways in which I've improved my luck. But of course that isn't really luck at all. It's just increasing my odds for good luck, by respecting and adapting to the elements where and how I choose to live. I am not the boss of this mountain.