Hex27, chline6 -> 24. Help interpreting...

[willowfox]

Hi elizabeth,

perhaps 27 line 6 suggests that you are seeking a source of nourishment, your soul mate and he is to be found after you start some new enterprise. Being aware of danger suggests that as you step out to take up your new undertakings no harm will befall you, you will be successful in all that you do.

Hex 24 the Return is a time cycle, and both hexagrams represent the winter months, November, December and January. It seems to say that in those months you will experience a great deal of coming and going, increased activity in your life. It also suggests that the coming winter months of this year will be a time of rebirth, to change, a new beginning. This is most likely the time that you will meet the "one" but obviously you will have to go out there to find him. Many new friends will be found and it seems that you will not have to travel anywhere to find what you desire.

 

[elizabeth]

hi willowfox,

thank you for this input. i find your message very fascinating and i hope very much you are right. i was born in the winter months (february actually) so winter being a time of rebirth for me actually makes sense even from that perspective.

i find it curious that travel wont be involved with this soulmate issue. I have one trip to see my parents in the States planned for just after Dec. 25th. Other than that I will be staying put where I am until then (and after that point also).

I have a new job that I just started; they've been slowly onboarding me, for various reasons, since May, so I know the people in the office already (so far no soulmate contenders yet) and I dont see that providng anything "new" specifically in the winter months but i suppose it is possible if some special project appears or something like that.

My plans for this fall include hopefully purchasing the apartment I'm currently renting but that wont involve any interaction (that i'm aware of) with new parties. So I am trying to guess (because I am so excited at the prospect!) how this person may pop into my life. Or rather, what I need to do, where i need to go to make this happen for sure...

 

[jesed]

Hi Elizabeth

Just a quick comment

1.- Global Diagnosis is about your life in general, not just attached to the soul-mate issue.
60 is in the past; 24 is in the past too... that is (in traditional teaching) psicological past. That means your are walking in circles since last year, because you hadn't achive the lesson of 60 but remain attached to wrong/false ideas.

60 There is a need of restructuration, to define your priorities, to decide what is the place and importance of job, familiy, self-development, romance, knowledge... in your life.

Until you solve this restructuration, you could face a renewal (24)

2.- Emotional time (this cover not only soul-mate issue, but the whole emotional issue in your life)
50 is in the past; 56 is in the present

Something happened to you between Novemeber 1st 2005 and january 31, 2006, where your emotions/feeling was like good food; but wasn't well received by others (50.2)..that experience leaded you to be nowadays like a emotional exiliate. You cann't find a place/relation where you can belong. Emotional unestability is a good description for 56 as emotional diagnosis

3.- Concrete situation about romantic partnership
20 is in the present... from Feb 1st to Dec 16, 2006

A time for self-examination... to see and to be seeing... observe your own life.. how you made influence (positive or negative) on posible partners... and split apart old ways/experiences that are not useful for you any more.


From this dialogue: the soul-mate issue is just a little part of a mayor restructuration you need to do in you life. You need to examinate your life with honesty, to leave behind negative experiences that had made you be like a traveler without home and family in this world.

Best wishes

 

[willowfox]

Hi Elizabeth,
I mentioned new enterprise, another word would be new job. The I-Ching says that you will find work and friends to the east of where you were previously living, so I gather that you are now living in Europe, someplace. Hex 24 has to do with time not travel that is why I said that travel would not be an issue in this case.
It seems to me that all through this summer there will be a drought on soul mates so don't worry. All this changes in the winter months when you will experience a new power, a new confidence, all things will go your way, ie good luck in your quest.

I asked a question on your behalf, "Where will Eliabeth meet the one that she has been searching for? The I-Ching provided the following answer Hex 1, lines 1,3,6 >48.
The question was "where" and 48 is the well. 'A city can be moved but a well can never be moved'. Therefore, I think that you will find the "one" in the area where you now live, in a direction south from your present apartment. The well to me suggests bars, restaurants, places where you replenish your thirst. Does the town or city where you live have a river to the south?
Hex 1 does not give an answer to a "where" question that is why I did not take it into account.
Your new job brings you success and luck but nothing will happen on the soul mate issue until the end of the year, so be patient but don't be sad.

 

[elizabeth]

jesed and willow, in order..

First, jesed, thanks. I feel I've already done the restructuring. That's what i've spent the past 9 months doing. If I had to place your hexagram interpretations into my personal life events, I would put 60 into all of 2005, but ending in January of this year. I would say the same about 50.2--I truly feel I have moved through those points and come out the other side-- and been ready for the new beginning for a while now. But it did take some serious in-my-shell time to get here.

Willowfox, still very intrigued by your take on this! I moved far far far east of my former "home" two years ago. (crossing two continents and one ocean) If I were to move further east, at this point, I would end up living in Siberia (seriously). Or else (further still) back in the USA where I came from (but that is taking the longer way around the globe). You mention time and not travel -- is it safe to say that my meeting will take place in this new home/location of mine, and that me going back to the USA (west west west) is not required in relation to the soulmate/meeting issue?

Thank you so much for inquiring on my behalf. I live immediately north (as in about a two minute walk) from one of the mini canals that runs through our city. There are many of them. Of course there are bars and restaurants south and north and east and west of me, and of the canal. I work (my office) is south of my house also (well, make that southwest slightly). However the major body of water is a larger river, north of both me and my office (running east/west through our city). Technically I'm between the two canals/rivers, one is above and one is below me. A large bay is to the west of me.

Anyway I am happy to be patient and await with eager anticipation the winter months, for what they may have in store! Thanks !!

 

[jesed]

Hi elizabeth

Before say what I must say, I want to stand clear that this is not a judgement, but a try to help. I hope you don't find this rude.

Is very dificult to give an interpretation when one face the situation of both hexagrams in the past (psicological past), because, among other things, that implies a serious attachment to that past facts, making dificult to receive the advice of Yi Jing.

In four cases from people around here that this had happened, only one people had follow the advice of Yi, and in less than 2 weeks move forward.

This has to do with your answer. Even if you believe that restructuration is in the past, is not fulffiled (the facts are indeed in the past, but you are still attached to them..like they were present)

That is what is shown in your answer

That means your are walking in circles since last year, because you hadn't achive the lesson of 60 but remain attached to wrong/false ideas.

...

From this dialogue: the soul-mate issue is just a little part of a mayor restructuration you need to do in you life. You need to examinate your life with honesty, to leave behind negative experiences that had made you be like a traveler without home and family in this world.

 

[RindaR]

I asked a question on your behalf, "Where will Eliabeth meet the one that she has been searching for? The I-Ching provided the following answer Hex 1, lines 1,3,6 >48.
The question was "where" and 48 is the well. 'A city can be moved but a well can never be moved'. Therefore, I think that you will find the "one" in the area where you now live, in a direction south from your present apartment. The well to me suggests bars, restaurants, places where you replenish your thirst. Does the town or city where you live have a river to the south?

There are other kinds of thirsts, and other kinds of wells. A spiritual thirst might mean finding refreshment in a place of worship or anywhere you are now receiving such benefit. It might also be where you slake your mental or emotional or social thirst. You might consider any such resource that you find south of you. Of course the direction itself might be a metaphor...

Rinda

 

[elizabeth]

jesed,

hi again. is this attachment to past facts an attachment to the general past, or an attachment to past facts related specifically to former romantic relationships? (general or relationship-oriented past?) And, so I say I feel I've moved on and you say the Yi says I have not... how do I know when/if i have in that case?

Rinda - thanks. Do you think the well could simply be a stable place? Could it possibly mean my home/where I was born (Ie a place that never moves or changes, it is always "home" to me)?

 

[willowfox]

Hi Elizabeth,
The problems that you suffered in the past are over, you now have a new job and slowly but surely life will start to perk up for you.
Rinda is quite correct there are many types of "well" but I am not sure if you could class your 'home' ( in the US) as a "well". Have to think about that idea.

 

[elizabeth]

Thanks Willowfox. You're right. I think I just need the positive reinforcement!

 

[jesed]

Hi Elizabeth

I'll elaborate a little more... but of course is in your hands to see if this ring a bell of facts or not.

1.- First, the global diagnosis talks about your life in general, not narrowed to the soul-mate issue
Hex 60
Started in Lake (between March 17 and April 30, 2005) and ended in Water (Between June 17 and July 31, 2005).

So, during this period (between marc 17 and July 31, 2005) was the Time for a big restructuration in your life. What mayor issues happened in your life in that period? Don't answer in public, if you want; but examinate carefully that period of your life. What happened in that period, even if is past, is still ruling your life.

Line 2 was active from 2nd week to 4th week of april, 2005. In that period, you should act.. vacilation, doubts, don't walk outside your home, was a mistake. In general sense, there was a lost oportunity for your life in that period.

Line 5 was active from 3rd week of June to 1st week of July, 2005. In that period you had the oportunity to achieve the goal of restructuration of your life with gentleness... otherwise, bitterness and resistence would be the outcome.

Bcause of the above situation, you faced a time when you needed to turn back and returning to the Path (hex 24 as tendential)

Now, hex 24 covered a Time started in Thunder (from september 17 to October 31, 2005) and ended in Earth (from Feb 1st to march 16, 2006)
So, that unsolved need for restructuration in you life leaded you to the turning point between sept 17, 2005 and Marc 16, 2006). But, since this past situation appear in a present consultation, it means you hadn't achive neither the returning nor the restructuration.

2.- In the emotional diagnosis, the principal hexagram does ended in january 2006.. and leaded you to be nowadaysn like an emotional exiliate

Best wishes

 

[elizabeth]

Jesed,
What you wrote makes sense but doesnt reflect the changes i've gone through in the past 8 months. You are saying, that the Yi is saying, that I am an emotional exhilate and will be so until I "learn the lesson" but what is the lesson? I would say, i've learned it, and (without recounting the events of the past two years), the fact i'm not in a rel'ship right now speaks to that actually (IMHO).

I think, based on your reading, I see the conflict. The Hex 60 lake shifting to water that ended July 31 of 2005 did cause a restructuring in my life. It was the beginning, if you will, of the process that I feel I have now completed. It taught me several lessons, some personal, some cultural, some about myself and what I need in a mate/life partner and much simply about the country I'm living in. The restructuring needed in Line 5 did occur, but just a bit later, as you point out, after July/Aug of last year.

Question: since hex 24 ends in march of this year, doesnt that point to the fact that that restructuring process is now *finished*? Finally, how do you draw the conclusion of emotional exile based on the reading? I am not seeing that connection. If the principle hex ended in Jan 06, then we are past that point now, are we not? (?)

Thanks,
-E.

 

[nicky_p]

... what is the lesson? I would say, i've learned it, and (without recounting the events of the past two years), the fact i'm not in a rel'ship right now speaks to that actually (IMHO).

But you want to be in one, right? The 'right' one. Really badly?

Hope you don't think I'm being too personal - it's just a thought

Love
Nicky
xx

 

[jesed]

Hi

Exiliate came from hex 56.. this hex has several metaphoras: one who is traveling in a foreing land; an exiliate; troops in enemy country.

The intermixed signf for 56 is: The Traveler means Not loving. The traveler doesn't have much friends.


Now, about the time. Yes, the hexagram time is in the past.. but you asked now. that implies that something that should leave in the past is still present. from there, traditional teaching says: here is an attachment to the past.

Best wishes

 

[elizabeth]

Nicky- as I have said in earlier posts, i've come to terms with my fate of being alone. But "it would be nice if", and everyone's constant pressuring questions prompted me to begin the thread and ask the Yi.

Jesed- thanks. I am travelling in a foreign land (not really travelling, actually just living in for 2.5 yrs..no travel involved per se as I do not move around), so that definitely fits. The assumption of hex 56 that a traveller has no friends is just that -- an assumption -- is it not? I know travellers who have few friends, but also those who have many -- partly bc they meet so many people in their travels.

-e

 

[jesed]

Hi Elizabeth

Of course, more than an asumption, is a metaphora... you can be in "56" even if you are in the place where you born and lived all your life. is a metaphora of be alienate from people. Of course, it could be a literal description: you are living in a foreing country.

But... (don't answer me if you want)... do you have many or few friends?

best wishes

 

[elizabeth]

I would say by American/Western definitions, yes, I have a lot of friends.
But the number of friends doesnt really define social activity per se.

I am still trying to understand what this "stuck in the past" meaning is. As far as relationships (romantic/dating ones) go, I really dont see the connection to the past. There are other issues within my immediate family (parents) where i could say there are problems, but not in the area of romantic attachment. Is there a way to know what kind of restructuring the Yi meant?

 

[jesed]

As I told you, global diagnosis is about your life in general, not only one aspect (emotional) or situation (soul-mate).

You had recognized already that a restructuration of your life happened last year..so that is the restructuration. What happened then is still present in your mind AS IF was real present.

Best wishes

 

[elizabeth]

Okay but the restructuring that happened last year was regarding a relationship that ended slowly and painfully. I'm not in touch with the person, have no desire to be, and have moved on.

The only thing of the past that still is "with me" are recent changes in one of my parental units and that individual's behavior in general. But thats not restructuring and it has only really occurred since --well starting in Dec. 2005 but moreso in May of this year. IT doesnt sound like that is what the Yi is referring to though.

 

[jesed]

Well... that experience could lead you to think in give-up from romantic relationships...isn't?

Some times, the effect of past times reamin in our soul, no matter if our rational mind can say: "I know this is over".

That said... for me in the answers you got there is nothing to point to "be alone is in your path"... it is most like "ok, right know you couldn't find a romantic relationship, because the wounds of the previuos experience hadn't heal yet.. let's wait and heal..then future would say what future could bring"


I wish you the best