How to Project a Fascinating Romantic Image of Me? 22.4>30

[marybluesky]

In this thread we concluded that I don't have enough romantic charisma, or I don't know how to apply it.

So I asked "How to project a fascinating romantic image of me" and got 22.4>30.

One of the most relevant answers! Being beautiful & shine.
22.4 according to Bradford:

"So elegant looking, as if of pure white
A white steed, as if on wings
Not an adversary but a marital suitor

22.4x Six fourth (is) properly positioned
(But) doubted
* Not an adversary (but) a marital suitor:
In the end, no question"

Being elegant, triggering fantasy، implying to want a stable relationship.

I find this part of Bradford commentary interesting:
"All want something in the worst way, all are supposed to be lying like hell. Our fool really is different: he is in love and attempting to mate. He cannot help himself: he’s so nuts because these are what drive him. The whole
of nature bears testament to the good grace of the mating dance, all the feathers and
flowers and fur."

Well, it's difficult for someone like me who wants to put her headphone and watch the clouds and fuse imagination with everyday life. I doubt it's worth so much psychological pressure and self- awareness. I'll be deprived of many delights.

Anyway I appreciate the answer.

 

[becalm]

Basically it's saying just be you but show more of you.

 

[marybluesky]

Basically it's saying just be you but show more of you.

How then?

I mean which part indicates being myself?

 

[snowfox]

Hi I’m new but a long time lurker and I’m familiar with who you are on this forum and wanted to try interpreting your reading.

Please forgive me I’m not that eloquent with my interpretations.

22.4<30

Focus on romantic banter? line 4 here which gives me the impression that you jump the gun a lot in on romance maybe focusing on the outcome of any given encounter too much instead of enjoying the dance. Focus on your outward appearance, make it look nice I guess and work on light hearted banter and keep your options open. Date around, dont focus so much on commitment. Oh and don’t chase. give those who are interested a chance to “cling” to yourFantastic romance.

Please forgive me if my interpretation of the hex’s and lines are totally off.

Love and light!

 

[redoleander]

I have some experience with this line! I do love Bradford's writing on the line too. I think this confirms it really is not at all about molding yourself into something or relying on tricks, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're quite embodying this yet. At least in my experience, this is about being a knight in shining armor almost. Truly in love, a romantic at heart, innocent, and giving it all over. There is a purity here that is about giving without constantly measuring what you get in return. The hidden thing here though is that this makes it really, really important to whom you are giving. You don't want to be just anyone's "knight in shining armor" presence. It would have to be an instance where 1) the potential for love is actually on the table 2) they are giving as sincerely, even if in different ways. I also think this is about who you are entirely apart from dating. I think the white horse isn't only passionate about this one other person but they love very purely in other areas (family, friends) are probably very sincerely passionate about dancing, music... something that is, again, devotional. Almost like irresistible purity and sweetness. I think this is not about performing any of this but really being it, having that energy actually alive in your life and then someone else being inspired by it too and also inspired by how sincere your affections are. There is a bit of a Don Quijote in this line... someone who maybe doesn't always see things realistically but somehow their innocence also protects them.
When responding to your last post, I did see a knight as well. That was part of what came through for me when thinking about line 4, I feel it comes through here again.

 

[redoleander]

Hmmm I just had another potential thought though. My experience of this line definitely involves love that is very true but it also has been impractical or the person simply isn't enough in reality for me. Could it be possible there's a warning in this line, as beautiful as it is, that maybe this question isn't really leading toward what you want? That maybe your effort and attention can be put toward charisma, but it may still not materialize into much that's concrete. I might not be right about that but it's an alternate interpretation I suppose.

 

[my_key]

So I asked "How to project a fascinating romantic image of me" and got 22.4>30.

Hex 22 meaning 'you begin without a face'
Hex 30 meaning ' what is above'
Nuclear 40 - Release

The answer you posted of "being beautiful & shine" just about sums it all up. However, here are a few more words of my interpretation.

The comment you were drawn to by Bradford

"All want something in the worst way, all are supposed to be lying like hell. Our fool really is different: he is in love and attempting to mate. He cannot help himself: he’s so nuts because these are what drive him. The whole of nature bears testament to the good grace of the mating dance, all the feathers and flowers and fur."

points towards understanding why the higher part of us (the fool) is drawn to love while the baser parts of us get caught up in drama and lies.

The situation you describe in your previous posts tells of the frustrations you feel and how difficult making any sustained change seems for you. Lying deep within your question and within the answer is a calling for you to let go of the past where you have been unsuccessful in love and to forgive yourself and others for the hurt, pain and other difficulties you have experienced. (40)

Here and now if you are able to begin afresh without seeing your situation through these old masks (22) you will present the best version of yourself in the best light (30) so that others will be attracted to you for who you truely are.

As Bradford suggests:

The whole of nature bears testament to the good grace of the mating dance, all the feathers and
flowers and fur."

Nature doesn't do anything but be nature. No airs, no dramas, no lies and most importantly no masks.

Line 22.4 suggests that you are at that place now where you can shine out in all your beauty.

How to do it?
First within the context of the words of the image - lighten up and allow a bit of fun into your world and especially treat people (including yourself), things, events and situations less judgementally. Maybe even take a few risks beyond your headphones and cloud watching. Fantasy worlds can be delightful but nothing matches this reality. It's not as scary as people make it out to be.

22.4 - talks of the grand entrace of the pure white horse into your inner world. Maybe it's been there for a long time and you've not seen it or maybe its a new arrival. Whichever, it's now time to realise that what it's bringing to the party is nothing criminal nor undeserved. It is not to be seen as a robber, nor to be viewed as an adversary but is actually any ally that has your best interests at heart. When you become bright and beautiful on the inside you naturally become bright and beautiful on the outside.

Now is the time to trust what has arrived for you. Climb on the horse's back and fly high on it's white wings. No one else can ride this horse but you.When you do accept this new charge the image that you project will be closer to the pure and true you. Maybe having a 'fascinating romantic image' is really not the true you. Or maybe it is. Only you will know. True relationship happens when someone is attracted to our true self. Beauty is more than skin deep! The masks we wear and the 'lies' we live out in our relationships only prevent the other from seeing us deeply and in our true light.

Show who you really are and you will find romantic or other relationship with those people that want to be with you and not those people who want to be in relationship with the mask(s) you are showing to them.

... or it may mean nothing like that for you.

Good Luck

 

[marybluesky]

Maybe even take a few risks beyond your headphones and cloud watching. Fantasy worlds can be delightful but nothing matches this reality. It's not as scary as people make it out to be.

I've recently taken risks in the sexual, social & financial spheres and don't regret them any bit, nor I think the outer world is scary.

I mentioned watching clouds and using headphone versus beautifying myself, not taking risks or facing the outer world. I wanted to say it sounds painfully ridiculous for me to let go of my daily delights in the buses & streets & instead concentrate on how to blink, walk, smile, blah blah for the sake of attracting males I may not even be attracted to.

 

[marybluesky]

@snowfox , at first I don't concentrate on commitment, but intimacy. And yes, I can't be a light dater, meeting several people & seeing what happens, nor I enjoy flirting around. I just want to reach my object of desire, intensely. All these can be flaws.

@my_key & @redoleander , thanks for the time you've spent replying me. I don't agree that being a truly loving, romantic person brings about the romantic results you want. I've loved people cordially and you know the result. It has been repeated enough to make me know that's not the way to go.
Though the "beautifying" sounds difficult for me, my opinion is closer to that of diamant in the other thread: having romantic success indeed needs skills, and more often than not, manipulation to some extent.

Plus, my question is about how to project an image, not how to love others.

 

[redoleander]

In terms of appearance, maybe white is your color? Carrying yourself like a wife, not a girlfriend or hookup. Simple adornments. Classic style. Pure metals for jewelry, pure oils for perfume, natural clothing, natural fibers... maybe things like this? Pure, clean, like a fresh breeze. Like a vacation, a savior, a healing, an ethereal being of some kind perhaps.

Also I realized your question was only about how to project a fascinating romantic image. It didn't specify anything about the result of projecting that image. Maybe that's why some of the interpretations don't sound to give you the results you want? I wonder if asking how to get what you want is more direct, although I doubt you haven't asked that before!

 

[my_key]

@my_key & @redoleander , thanks for the time you've spent replying me. I don't agree that being a truly loving, romantic person brings about the romantic results you want. I've loved people cordially and you know the result. It has been repeated enough to make me know that's not the way to go.
Though the "beautifying" sounds difficult for me, my opinion is closer to that of diamant in the other thread: having romantic success indeed needs skills, and more often than not, manipulation to some extent.

Plus, my question is about how to project an image, not how to love others.

Hi marybluesky
Thanks for your feedback. As with all readings I offer here I have no vested interests in the outcomes for the querent. For that reason I can truely say that you have misunderstood if you believe that my post is about 'wanting' you to achieve any romantic results.

I agree that the focus of your question is based in how you might project a romantic image.The theme of my post seems to me to be more about how you might present a beautifying image of yourself in relationship, in general, and how you might embrace that. I clearly said " Maybe having a 'fascinating romantic image' is really not the true you. Or maybe it is. Only you will know".

Good Luck

 

[diamant]

How to Project a Fascinating Romantic Image of Me? 22.4 > 30
Have a flamboyantly beautiful appearance, behave as if you're a gorgeous mythical creature (22.4), and be self-centered (30).

 

[becalm]

How then?

I mean which part indicates being myself?

Stopped being so closed off - open yourself up to others. There's a difference between our personality and our inner self.

 

[marybluesky]

Stopped being so closed off - open yourself up to others. There's a difference between our personality and our inner self.

You say this according to the line? If so, can you explain?

 

[bologna_tendra]

Many points here seem to touch on the inner and outer. I agree that it's not about projecting any image - it's rather about an inner reality coming up to the surface organically. Maybe some are too hard on themselves and don't give value to that inner self (e.g. low self-esteem) and so don't let the inner up to the surface, and hold it down.

I recall almost getting hit in the face by a woman opening a door who hadn't seen me - when she realised the near-miss she laughed in a very jolly and joyous way, and that was how this woman was, with her inner character manifesting itself in the things she did or said, without her trying; the inner and outer were in alignment. It was very attractive I thought. There wasn't the appearance of anything in the woman - it was the reality of the woman herself, manifest for me to see.

 

[marybluesky]

Maybe some are too hard on themselves and don't give value to that inner self (e.g. low self-esteem) and so don't let the inner up to the surface, and hold it down.

Hmmm...
Still I can't see how this can relate to the line's text, as it exactly talks about a fairy-tale like image, nothing internal.

Anyway I don't think I've specially suppressed my inner self, if the exact opposite isn't the case

 

[rosada]

How to project a fascinating romantic image of me?

22.4
You can have a grand time fooling around with fashion and flirtation but you know that's not what's going to connect you with your true friends. So don't concern yourself with "fascinating romantic" projections, and as redoleander suggests, ask a different question - maybe something more along the lines of how to project an image of the true you?

30.
This is a very interesting hexagram. It has the image of two equal flames. It follows 29 and that image of the superior man leading another out of the pit and then moves on to 30. the twin flames. So 30 implies that after the first person helps another like a teacher guiding a student, then we come to a place where the teacher and student walk together taking turns, first one leads and then the other, like two feet, first the right foot goes forward and then the left. In terms of relationships this hex emphasizes the importance of equality and friendship before greater openness (i.e. 31. Influence) leads to romance. Or maybe it's saying that creating a romantic impression can only take you so far.

Hex 30 is a good read on what makes a partnership work. Mainly it's saying the two people have to support and inspire each other and if there is no actual partner the advice is to know what inspires you and to take care to keep that spark alive.

Personally, I think the folks who are most "impressive" tend to have an inner enthusiasm and also particularly good health.

 

[MeltingPot247]

Sorry if this is off track everybody - but clarity fire beauty/ grace.

I do see rather than projecting an image per se, that you illuminate your passions and find or spend time with someone who shares similar passions - as an example mine are travelling, dancing, singing etc so for me it might be more beneficial to spend time with an intimate partner interested in those things, rather than say a gamer or introvert. In reality, I have to say that I personally haven't done many things that I love to do with past partners - but more with myself and friends which partners in past have noticed and we're drawn to.

- so perhaps your most romantic side would come out if you were doing things that brought out the best and happiest in you.

On another tangent - if anyone ever visits NZ once this global thing settles down , I think we'd all have some pretty interesting conversations.

All the best everybody. Good night!

 

[my_key]

I recall almost getting hit in the face by a woman opening a door who hadn't seen me - when she realised the near-miss she laughed in a very jolly and joyous way, and that was how this woman was, with her inner character manifesting itself in the things she did or said, without her trying; the inner and outer were in alignment. It was very attractive I thought. There wasn't the appearance of anything in the woman - it was the reality of the woman herself, manifest for me to see.

Great story. Super appropriate. Let your authentic self shine.

 

[marybluesky]

Thanks anyone who has spent time on replying here.

I just wonder if some of your replies are based on the line I've received or rather personal opinion, morality, etc.

 

[dfreed]

In this thread we concluded that I don't have enough romantic charisma, or I don't know how to apply it.

So I asked "How to project a fascinating romantic image of me"

Whom 'concluded' this? You and god?

This thread reminds me of something I would have seen on the 60's TV show, The Dating Game: 'so contestant No.1, if you were to project a facinating romantic image of yourself, what would it look like?'

I think the imbalance here is that you feel you need to project 'a fascinating romantic image' in the first place! Do you want someone to be involved and appreciate you, or your 'fascinating romantic image'?

Hex. 22 is about adoring, it's not about wearing a mask, or 'projecting' something. It's about a horse already adorned with its own color and mane - it's not about turning a horse into a 'romantic' aardvark wearing feathers.

 

[marybluesky]

Hex. 22 is about adoring, it's not about wearing a mask, or 'projecting' something. It's about a horse already adorned with its own color and mane - it's not about turning a horse into an aardvark wearing feathers.

My question is about projecting. You interpret the lines according to the questions. If you find such a question bogus or anything, then good, you can ignore it.

I've posted a question to have replies for that very question.

 

[marybluesky]

Other thoughts: if the I-Ching shouldn't be used for certain types of questions, inform me. Then I won't post similar threads.

 

[dfreed]

My question is about projecting. You interpret the lines according to the questions. If you find such a question bogus or anything ....

My interpretation, my response is based on your question and the Yi's reply. (And I'm not saying you should not ask whatever it is you want to ask - of course you should!)

I think the Yi's response is saying that you don't need to 'project' anything to be attractive. And if that's true, why would the Yi then recommend something to 'project'?

But if you find my response bogus or anything ....

 

[marybluesky]

But if you find my response bogus or anything ....

I don't think I've talked about your reply or the others' in a disrespectful manner. If it has been so, then I apologize.

I just can't see the relation between my question+ the line's text and inner self, real love, etc, ..., so I'll be grateful if people here let me know how it works.

 

[Trojina]

n this thread we concluded that I don't have enough romantic charisma, or I don't know how to apply it.

So I asked "How to project a fascinating romantic image of me" and got 22.4>30.

One of the most relevant answers! Being beautiful & shine.
22.4 according to Bradford:

"So elegant looking, as if of pure white
A white steed, as if on wings
Not an adversary but a marital suitor

22.4x Six fourth (is) properly positioned
(But) doubted
* Not an adversary (but) a marital suitor:
In the end, no question"

Being elegant, triggering fantasy، implying to want a stable relationship.

Not read the whole thread so may be repeating what others have said. I don't think I agree with much in the other thread, I will have another look at it but for sure beware of consensus in threads, understanding your answer doesn't rely on consensus from other people. Sparhawk once said 'Yi is not a team sport' or something like that and he was right I think.

I think surely having the goal of being fascinating is one doomed from the outset, comedy is full of such attempts. One simply cannot manage other's thoughts or impressions of one to that extent. If I am fascinated for example it will be because it/she/he fascinates me not because of anything a person is doing with the aim of fascinating me. Not that I can say I've ever come across someone trying to be fascinating.

I'm wondering if what you are really asking isn't exactly what is coming across here. I can't recall if English is your second language because that makes a difference sometimes in how ideas will come across to English speakers. I mean you sound like an English speaker to me but I thought you may have told us you weren't. It's just culturally the question is very alien, people don't say they want to be fascinating, it would seem vain and silly and I know you're not that so I'm wondering if you mean something else. I don't know what 'romantic charisma' is, never heard of it as a concept.

Anyway 'how to project a romantic fascinating image of me ?' well quite honestly, and I say this without reference to the answer, this is not at all a question of 'how to' as it relies on others perceptions/thoughts over which you have no control. Moreover it cannot bring anything you want.
When did trying to be fascinating create any kind bond between people ?


For me 22.4 has always shown someone or something that arrives offering great promises I feel 'too good to be true' , that is what the suspicion of a robber is about. However this marital suitor/offer/opportunity that is exactly what it says it is. The colour white shows purity and so there's no artifice here.


Now if you ask how to be artificial and you get an answer that is the very opposite of that then it has to either indicate there's no need for this artifice or it's skipped the question and is talking about something which is arriving that seems too good to be true for you. My first thought was it's predictive but also it can mean as I think others have said artifice is not required. Nor should it be, you don't have to try to be something you imagine others will find fascinating, and it would be a futile project anyway given you can't control their perceptions.

I just can't see the relation between my question+ the line's text and inner self, real love, etc, ..., so I'll be grateful if people here let me know how it works.

Well as I have said your question is unanswerable since you cannot, nor can anyone else, make themselves fascinating. There is no 'how to' here but you got a nice answer anyway.

 

[dfreed]

I just can't see the relation between my question+ the line's text and inner self, real love, etc

I find myself wondering, in asking about all this - about not having enough romantic charisma, or about projecting a fascinating romantic image of yourself - are you now telling us you're not interested in love or in a real or lasting relionship?

Whatever you are seeking is fine of course (just as any question you ask the Yi is fine), even if what you want is to just make yourself attractive, or you just want attention, or you just want to get laid .... (been there, done that).

But I think it would be helpful for you to clarify this - what exactly it is you are really wanting - so I (and maybe others) won't be inclined to project what we 'think' you're talking about onto our interpretations.

 

[Trojina]

Having reread the other thread I have a better idea of what you are asking now....you clarified what you wanted there...



I think this answer tells you you really don't need to try to project anything, and as I've said there's possibly something arriving.

 

[rosada]

I think it might be an interesting experiment if you were to take the line 4 literally. For the next week wear something white and elegant, like a white feather boa and tell us what happens!

 

[redoleander]

I was curious so I looked up some interpretations; interestingly, many are in line with a lot of what has been offered here. I don't know if that helps at all, that the perspectives here aren't necessarily coming from a moral place in relation to your question, but rather do come from interpretation of the line.

Wing: You have a choice of two paths. One is the path of adornment and external brilliance; the other is the path of simplicity and inner worth. Your considerations suggest a deeper connection with your true Self. The path of simplicity will lead to more meaningful relationships with others and greater self-knowledge.

Siu: The man is faced with the choice between a life of brilliance and one of simplicity. All considerations suggest simplicity. Renouncing potential comforts may seem disappointing at first, but peace of mind will be attained through proper relationship with the sincere supporter.

DeKorne:
Editor: There are three main ideas here -- first, the idea of being "adorned in white." Clothing symbolizes the opinions and attitudes which "adorn" our personality. To be dressed in white therefore, is to be simple and unpretentious – the opposite of complexity and ostentation.

Second , the image of a flying white horse. This suggests purified (white) psychic energy (horsepower) united with the wings of intellectual aspiration. Wings enable entities to fly in the air -- symbolically, the realm of thought. We are immediately reminded of Pegasus, and although we can assume that the Duke of Chou knew nothing of Pegasus, the symbolic associations are not irrelevant here. Pegasus is associated in Greek mythology with the Muses -- the sources of creativity and inspiration.

The third idea is of marriage -- the conjunction of masculine and feminine in a holy union or hieros gamos: the creative synthesis of thought and feeling within the psyche. However, the suitor can't unite with the subject of the line until all confusion has been eliminated from the situation. He is perceived as a "robber" because the barriers to union must be removed ("stolen") before the alliance can take place: in other words, an illusion prevails.

This line (and indeed the entire hexagram) is often received in answer to questions concerning creativity or the creative process. If this is the only changing line, the new hexagram created is number thirty, Clarity.

A. You don't understand the matter at hand. Unseen forces are working toward unity however, and clarity will eventually dawn.

C. Don't complicate the situation -- a creative solution will mature in the course of time.