job question -- 11.2 to 36, 51.1.6 to 35

[MoooseCRS]

first time posting, but I have read the forum a while. I could use any help / insight into this question -- I work in a high stress academic position, the hours are long, and its competitive.... I think I have struggled a lot of my life with low self confidence, and I find this job is really challenging me in a way that is not necessarily positive - my junior partners are very nice and supportive (I am the only woman in a group of 4 men), but my senior partner - means well, but can't ever say positive things, and often focuses only on deficiencies, and never mentions the grants or other positive things I bring to the division. I have been at the current job for 2 years, and after a lot of struggle, and coaching work (outside, that I pay for) I finally had a stretch where things felt to be running smoothly and my confidence was growing. The last week has been very tough with some tough work that took me longer than expected to complete (although it was done well), and I find myself again back in a state of anxiety and self doubt after my boss confronted me today and was very pointed about it. I left the office in tears and really felt badly. Other friends in my field think my job is toxic and have encouraged me to consider leaving. Leaving would mean starting over from scratch again, a likely a pay cut and even shame for leaving big institution.

I asked:

can you show me my future if I stay at *** job? 11.2 --> 36​

can you show me what looks like if I leave *** job? 51.1.6 to 35​

I interpret staying to mean if I fly low under the radar and stay even keeled I will be able to have some success eventually 11.2 - but this time now is perilous and I should hide my fire/dreams/sensitivity on the inside (36) and turn inside for the strength to survive and thrive in this position if I want to keep it. perhaps a lack of outside helpers - I have to figure it out myself?

I interpret leaving to mean shock 51 (job change, would require a move, all new people, starting over, stress and excitement mixed all together like first day of school, some good, some bad, ), but that when this settled out there would be small and then greater progress if I found a place more supportive 35...

I would be grateful for any other insight - or how others might read these in this context?

moose

 

[Trojina]

Yi's words

11.2

'Embracing emptiness, using it to cross the river He without a boat.
Not distanced from those left behind/ Not distancing and leaving behind.
Friends disappear.
Gaining honour, moving to the centre.'

If you stay it's a bit like crossing a river with no boat, holding on to a hollow gourd. There's no certainty and a great deal of loneliness and yet there is a purpose to it even though it's hard. To do this you have to 'embrace emptiness' that is accept it's like crossing a river on your own, losing sight of friends which can hurt...but you are still doing it and so this crossing has a reason and gains honour. Often this line can feel as if one is totally lost with no direction other than faith and moreover one loses sight of familiar landmarks one might expect. So perhaps here you aren't getting the validation that would help you sort of know where you are.

can you show me what looks like if I leave *** job? 51.1.6 to 35​

This looks to me like a sudden promotion and I wonder if Yi has skipped a step, that there is something else on the horizon or that you get promoted where you are. With lines one and six changing often it's a situation that runs through all the stages at once, quite quickly. If I take the answer directly it could look like if you leave it's disruptive(51) but you make quite a big step forward (35)


You asked about what the future looks like in both scenarios. In my experience Yi tends to answer in seamless conversation, it's not giving you one picture of a future and then an entirely different picture of the future I believe the readings are linked. You are making a crossing in 11.2 but you are coming up to an opportunity of some kind whether that's where you are now or elsewhere. This cast.51.1.6>35 also makes me wonder if they let you go it would actually be a blessing to you.

Also your own interpretations seem good to me

 

[MoooseCRS]

Thank you Trojina! It’s interesting, that a friend of mine said as much, not even seeing the reading, about perhaps of being a blessing in disguise. There may be an opportunity For me to explore here in a slightly different position. I will be looking into it over the next couple weeks. It may take some time, but I will circle back when I do finally come to an answer.

 

[MoooseCRS]

By way of an update - because my current job contract goes through next June I am still here, but this has made me think deeply on what to do after.

In once sense - staying is definitely the loneliness but with honor Trojina mentions - I serve those in my care well, and I am support for others in lower positions. I am on this adventure alone. I get promoted internally to committees that represent the underrepresented in my field -- but that is lonely too as we are under-represented as many would like us to stay that way, LOL.

In the interim - there have been some outside offers... both of the offers would be a big move (northeast --> southeast or midwest), big change and career advancement -- although they would also be tough jobs.

I think now - maybe the two castings before were like Yi being Robert Frost showing me approaching two roads diverging into a forest - each with merit, each very different -- the choice mine.

So as the year ends -- and to help me think about these roads I asked -
can you show me my job in this profession in 2023? 35.2.4.5.6 --> 29
and I followed with can you show me how I avoid the repeating chasm/danger 55.1.4 --> 15

Picking the conversation right back up at 35 --> many changing lines --> I am taking it to mean , that there will be gains in the new year in my profession if I take action -- but that these will require many nuanced types of approaches in each action -- caution, horns (toughness), nimbleness -- understanding that danger is always around the corner, but if I remain true to myself, I will be able to walk through these cycles of difficulty and danger with honour... not much help on location, but the difficulty of the road seems to bring to mind staying in my current position...

For the avoiding the repeating chasm - 55.1.4, I see that I will need an ally who is walking on my same path – maybe someone else where I am that is in a similar position, and also when the way ahead goes dim, to actively seek help from one someone with clarity – a mentor/senior advisor, and in doing this and staying true to my inner compass I can walk in between the dangerous waters of 29?

As always, any insight or thoughts would be most deeply appreciated.

 

[Liselle]

the difficulty of the road seems to bring to mind staying in my current position...

This is a difficult, complex situation and reading(s), and I really have no idea what to make of it or what the conclusion should be.

But for what it's worth, 35 is about taking full advantage of gifts and opportunities. I can't help thinking of the outside offers in that light. Your hexagram 51 reading about leaving isn't bad, really, just very fraught. But in the end there's laughter.

It might be a pick-your-poison thing (oh joy). But as you and Trojina both said, your hexagram 11 reading might be about leaving, too. Leaving under different scenarios? Not sure.

 

[MoooseCRS]

This is a difficult, complex situation and reading(s), and I really have no idea what to make of it or what the conclusion should be.

LOL, I'm right there with you. calling Trojina!

I would be happy even figuring out a more clarifying followup question to ask -- on the day-to-day queries, I find Yi to be very to the point in my life. But this really has me boggled.

Any suggestions anyone has for how to ask to further clarify - would be deeply appreciated

 

[my_key]

So as the year ends -- and to help me think about these roads I asked -
can you show me my job in this profession in 2023? 35.2.4.5.6 --> 29
and I followed with can you show me how I avoid the repeating chasm/danger 55.1.4 --> 15

As always, any insight or thoughts would be most deeply appreciated.

Here's a perspective that I take from these readings if the consultations had been mine. They may or may not resonate with you.

32: 2,4,5,6 <> 29
In 2023 your job in this profession will be one where you can carry on in the same vein as you are doing now. There is nothing wrong with this but it may not be what is calling to you from your core.

32.2: Persevering with this job in this profession will become easier internally for you with time.
32.4: This, however, will never become a fruitful place for you to reside.
32.5: Remaining or taking a passive strategy in this situation will not shape the future you really desire.
32.6: In the long term, only sadness and emptiness lies in this direction.

Your world remains enwrapped in darkness (29). The chasms still have to be crossed.

One popular misconception is that everyone of us can avoid repeating the chasms or the dangers of our actions. Many also forget to include in this thinking the dangers of our inactions too. In life, chasms have to be crossed or climbed out of. They are way too long to be able to go round in any sensible fashion: they are an ever present in the landscape of our life until we have conquered them.The first adventure involves taking risk to free ourselves. The second requires that we recognise the chasm that we are currently, unknowingly caught in the bottom of and that we have to start the long hard climb up the sheer walls.

55: 1,4 <> 15

In 55, Yi advocates a severe and exacting approach to the situation. Meeting the chasm with thunder and lightening in equal amounts is the way to enter this site of potential great change. You have within you an abundance of all you need to meet the challenge.

55.1: Things are yet to come fully into picture for you. In the meantime it is important to just begin. Take one small step then stay where you are, noticing the wobbles and the loose stones that try to halt your escape, until it feels safe to take another small step. Then wait again.
55.4: Each step may seem like it is not right or uncomfortable and sometimes you may be screaming at yourself to turn back. However, you have the weight of might around you. Remain focused, remember it is not a race and trust in your guiding light.

This will take you to a place where you can better walk in the world wrapped in and displaying more brightly your authentic self (15).

 

[MoooseCRS]

One popular misconception is that everyone of us can avoid repeating the chasms or the dangers of our actions. Many also forget to include in this thinking the dangers of our inactions too. In life, chasms have to be crossed or climbed out of. They are way too long to be able to go round in any sensible fashion: they are an ever present in the landscape of our life until we have conquered them.The first adventure involves taking risk to free ourselves. The second requires that we recognise the chasm that we are currently, unknowingly caught in the bottom of and that we have to start the long hard climb up the sheer walls.

my_key -- thank you for your time and very thoughtful readings of both.

this bit in particular resonated with me. the only way out is through, and not around.

I think for some time, I have been stuck in a 29 -- job, life -- and the jailor has been myself getting in my own way. I'm a product of immigrants who because of their hard work had an education they could have never imagined... and it has led to a life/career they are proud of, but for which they can provide little guidance. The skills they imparted to me (while good and correct ethics) provide little help in navigating the chasms, and some (women holding a more traditional/lower role) have made it harder for me to stand up for myself against men in my field who look down upon women as less than.... my previous job, also had a senior parter who treated me poorly, and this led to my choosing to leave rather than standing up for myself.

And also - Yi being so accurate -- I have been working with a coach on literally the 55's.... walking through being uncomfortable.... and I guess this gives me hope that I am at least on the right path. These outside offers I have had are intriguing - but somehow I also think they may be a distraction from the hard work I am doing now... it's easy to leave, but now I can see the 35 --> 29 may be indicating, even if I do -- if I don't free myself first, I will end up in the same chasm once again just in a new place.

thank you

 

[MoooseCRS]

32: 2,4,5,6 <> 29

my_key - quick question was your read based on 32 or 35 (my cast was 35.2.4.5.6 - wasn't sure if this was a typo)

 

[my_key]

my_key - quick question was your read based on 32 or 35 (my cast was 35.2.4.5.6 - wasn't sure if this was a typo)

Hi MoooseCRS
Thanks for picking that up. I do seem to have used the wrong Hexagram. The above words are based in 32.
Sometimes though, and I have done this with my own readings, the words of the mistaken reading can bring their own insights. It is a brave man who discards them completely.

If I had used the correct 35 hexagram I'd have interpreted it as something like:

35: 2,4,5,6 <> 29
In 2023 your job in this profession will be one where you will need to connect deeply with your inner light in order to get the most from it and from life.

35.2: You will be beset by inner anguish that will guide you towards reaching out for new horizons.
35.4: Your world will appear as a greater struggle for you. Old thoughts and behaviours need addressing.
35.5: Identify with the new rather than the old as this will bring you nothing but progression.
35.6: The old will seem to hold sway, however with clear determination and direct action you can make changes to be proud of.

However, your job in your current profession remains enwrapped in darkness (29). The chasms still have to be crossed as that is the relating and contextual aspect of the reading. The darkness in our lives is there solely to be approached and walked into. It is our choice alone to decide when the moment to confront our darkness is the right time.

Good Luck

 

[MoooseCRS]

Hi all, I wanted to give an update, and the upcoming years reads:

I remain in my same job – mostly as no other replacement job has presented itself despite looking. The market in my specialty field is quite slim. The year has been tough and lonely as predicted --> more as the year progresses. My boss is unkind, and mostly criticizes me severely – despite my work quality being good as judged on several unbiased metrics (he also says very unkind things about many other people -- not just me, but behind their backs in small social groups). I uncovered that my boss has also been taking higher paying work away from me and diverting it to my male colleagues in my division, which I have quietly documented but have not brought up in discussions with him directly. I have continued to work to be the best version of myself and my skills at work continue to improve.

I spent a lot of this year on introspection – there were indeed many 29s in my year – and my lack of ability to perform good boundary setting at work and lower self-confidence led to a repeating cycle of verbal disparagement from my boss, who has internal issues. I have spoken with professors outside of my division who know the treatment is bad – but worry about retribution if I file complaint. Externally – my boss puts on a very nice face and is well respected by many which makes it difficult. I can’t afford to lose this job – especially as the job market is so poor right now and I have elderly parents (I am only child).

I have continued to work with a coach to let my boss’s insults go and to just go on with my job and trust my outcomes as my proof of quality. It has been challenging, as I have had to work on many prior life traumas that make this hard to change. I am a bit overwhelmed and exhausted from too many hours of work and barely any days off.

I asked for 2024:

What to expect this year? 31.1.4 --> 46
How my career looks in 2024? 42.5 --> 27
Can you show me what it looks like where I am working? 6.1.2.3.5 --> 30
Can you show my relationship with XXX (boss) in 2024? 59 Uc

My thoughts on this --
31.1.4 --> 46
I interpret this to mean that if I am not impulsive, and remain consistent and steady in my pursuits (both at work and in self-development) I will have some progress this year.

42.5 --> 27
I interpret this to mean again if I keep on my steadfast course at work, despite all my boss has done to me, and I only seek the good of my patients and those I work with, this will be met with favor and ultimately I will feel nourished and supported – this may not be from my boss (and most likely not!), but that I reach the point where I feel nourished and supported by my own inner confidence.

6.1.2.3.5 --> 30
I asked if Yi could show where I am working this year, to see if perhaps any change of scenery was afoot – or what the workplace environment would look like. I interpret this result with a laugh to mean I will remain at my same job – and that my boss will not change or improve. The arguing or stress of 6.1/2/3 remind me to stay humble and simply focus on my work. If I do this with good sincerity, I take it I will reach 6.5 and my dedication will be recognized, and I will at least have a position at work that will be clarified. Perhaps it means I will be canned? But I see at least a sense of resolution.

59 Uc
I don’t know how to interpret this in regard to my boss. Does this mean the relationship will gradually improve?

I would be deeply grateful as always for any insight from those here – over the year, your readings and insights have been very helpful in guiding me. Wishing you all a happy new year in 2024.

 

[Hans__]

Hi all, I wanted to give an update, and the upcoming years reads:

I remain in my same job – mostly as no other replacement job has presented itself despite looking. The market in my specialty field is quite slim. The year has been tough and lonely as predicted --> more as the year progresses. My boss is unkind, and mostly criticizes me severely – despite my work quality being good as judged on several unbiased metrics (he also says very unkind things about many other people -- not just me, but behind their backs in small social groups). I uncovered that my boss has also been taking higher paying work away from me and diverting it to my male colleagues in my division, which I have quietly documented but have not brought up in discussions with him directly. I have continued to work to be the best version of myself and my skills at work continue to improve.

I spent a lot of this year on introspection – there were indeed many 29s in my year – and my lack of ability to perform good boundary setting at work and lower self-confidence led to a repeating cycle of verbal disparagement from my boss, who has internal issues. I have spoken with professors outside of my division who know the treatment is bad – but worry about retribution if I file complaint. Externally – my boss puts on a very nice face and is well respected by many which makes it difficult. I can’t afford to lose this job – especially as the job market is so poor right now and I have elderly parents (I am only child).

I have continued to work with a coach to let my boss’s insults go and to just go on with my job and trust my outcomes as my proof of quality. It has been challenging, as I have had to work on many prior life traumas that make this hard to change. I am a bit overwhelmed and exhausted from too many hours of work and barely any days off.

I asked for 2024:

What to expect this year? 31.1.4 --> 46
How my career looks in 2024? 42.5 --> 27
Can you show me what it looks like where I am working? 6.1.2.3.5 --> 30
Can you show my relationship with XXX (boss) in 2024? 59 Uc

My thoughts on this --
31.1.4 --> 46
I interpret this to mean that if I am not impulsive, and remain consistent and steady in my pursuits (both at work and in self-development) I will have some progress this year.

42.5 --> 27
I interpret this to mean again if I keep on my steadfast course at work, despite all my boss has done to me, and I only seek the good of my patients and those I work with, this will be met with favor and ultimately I will feel nourished and supported – this may not be from my boss (and most likely not!), but that I reach the point where I feel nourished and supported by my own inner confidence.

6.1.2.3.5 --> 30
I asked if Yi could show where I am working this year, to see if perhaps any change of scenery was afoot – or what the workplace environment would look like. I interpret this result with a laugh to mean I will remain at my same job – and that my boss will not change or improve. The arguing or stress of 6.1/2/3 remind me to stay humble and simply focus on my work. If I do this with good sincerity, I take it I will reach 6.5 and my dedication will be recognized, and I will at least have a position at work that will be clarified. Perhaps it means I will be canned? But I see at least a sense of resolution.

59 Uc
I don’t know how to interpret this in regard to my boss. Does this mean the relationship will gradually improve?

I would be deeply grateful as always for any insight from those here – over the year, your readings and insights have been very helpful in guiding me. Wishing you all a happy new year in 2024.

Hi MooseCRS,
Maybe you'd better make this a new thread.
I believe @Liselle or @Trojina can do that for you

 

[Trojina]

It might be a good idea to have this as a new thread for the new questions as Hans suggests but if you prefer to keep all your casts in one thread it's up to you? I guess you are giving an update in the first part of the post and then new casts for the year ahead. Some people may not want to read the whole thread possibly so may miss the new questions.

Hans the @ only works for people in CC

 

[MoooseCRS]

Thanks All, appreciate the reply -- should I copy and paste into a new thread or can my last by converted to a new thread? Kindest regards, happy new years wherever y'all might be!

 

[Trojina]

Link to new thread

My job in 2024 - a few castings, advice sought

Hi all, At Hans_/Trojina's suggestion I am starting this in a fresh thread. By way of backstory -- I have a high stress job with a somewhat challenging boss. After having COVID in August 2022 (becoming long covid) and being treated poorly - I began to think about finding another job. My casting...

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