meeting someone after a very long pause H 21.5.6 - 17

[Osenia]

Hello there forum community,

I am very much indeed of some direction to help me interpret this hexagram in relation to mine situation.

Post a very painful breakup and finally when i feel all well i have met someone. There seem to be some attraction going on, hard to tell how much tho. I tend to push things very very quick and fast, so I am trying very hard this time to be patient and give it some space and actually wait for other persons moves, rather it all coming from me. Yet there are also some value differences between us (e.g. some different points of views towards feminity, womanhood that is quite important to me), which is I guess the hexagram is telling me off - the disagreements between us. However, I do feel ready to compromise and attempt to accept some qualities of his as they are.

I asked the question " What is the future perspective for us?" and cast 21.5.6 changing to 17

I have taken this hexagram to be very negative and in fact went to sleep very upset, thinking yet again I met someone with whom there will be nothing, getting into a hole in my head and giving in to the fears of rejection - something I worked very hard not to slip into. Hence maybe the hexagram revealed the issues I still haven't exactly dealt with re the previous rejection(s).

I thought it spoke of our worldview differences, but pointing a chance of an agreement? Yet I was slightly confused with changing line. Nr 5 I thought indicated that if i persist through hardship (doubts, etc.) there will be gold. As of line 6 - I saw it in a way that maybe I am thinking that there is attraction when there is in fact non and I am imagining it all.

Help would be much appreciated or maybe suggestion for another question to clarify this

Thank yous forum friends! <3

 

[Matali]

My hypothesis: I think it's not negative if you're both in love. There is a nice relationship here 17 (lines 17.5 and 6 are very positive), BUT you push way too much (21.6). 21 Does it mean that this person is with someone... Perhaps.

 

[Trojina]

S/he didn't cast 17.5 or 17.6, they aren't her answer.

Post a very painful breakup and finally when i feel all very and ready to get this new love started i have met someone.

I don't understand this sentence. You had a break up, then a new love started then you met someone else, is that what you mean ?

Also you haven't told us what the question is ?

I have taken this hexagram to be very negative

A hexagram can't just be 'negative' nor 'positive' nor a line come to that, it depends on the context.

I don't know what you are asking ?

 

[Osenia]

S/he didn't cast 17.5 or 17.6, they aren't her answer.




I don't understand this sentence. You had a break up, then a new love started then you met someone else, is that what you mean ?

Also you haven't told us what the question is ?



A hexagram can't just be 'negative' nor 'positive' nor a line come to that, it depends on the context.

I don't know what you are asking ?

Thanks both for your answers and yes I didn't cast 17.5.6. - it was 21.5.6. turning to 17

Trojina, yes that it is right - I had quite a difficult break up two years back and it has taken me a while to reconsider it, get back on my feet and see everything in a different light. Now just recently I met someone new, who i am romantically interested in.

The question was - What is the future perspective between the two of us?

I see, I guess in my case, due to my fear it has sparked this negative reaction to it.

 

[Matali]

I take this opportunity to ask this question: as we can see the mirror line of the corresponding hexagram, can we do the same with two changing lines?
As here: 21.5.6 - 17.5.6. Or does it not exist as a possible reading? Thanx

 

[Trojina]

I take this opportunity to ask this question: as we can see the mirror line of the corresponding hexagram, can we do the same with two changing lines?
As here: 21.5.6 - 17.5.6. Or does it not exist as a possible reading? Thanx

By the 'mirror' line I take it you mean the fan yao, the corresponding line in the relating hexagram ? That's not the answer but a mirror image of the answer. One doesn't take it as the answer but just a reflection to think about.

But there's no reason to take an answer with 2 moving lines or any moving lines and then say those lines in the relating hexagram are the answer. If the answer was 17.5.6 then she would have cast 17.5.6 not 21.5.6. If you read those lines you aren't reading the answer but avoiding the answer.

 

[Trojina]

Trojina, yes that it is right - I had quite a difficult break up two years back and it has taken me a while to reconsider it, get back on my feet and see everything in a different light. Now just recently I met someone new, who i am romantically interested in.

The question was - What is the future perspective between the two of us?

I see, I guess in my case, due to my fear it has sparked this negative reaction to it.

I don't think it's a very negative answer it seems there is an issue of biting through to the truth on some matter ? 21 bites through to find the truth to find justice. There's no room for illusion, the real truth must be found. In 21.5 there's a lot of effort to find the truth, perhaps there's something you're thinking about very hard, weighing this person up ? If you persist in biting through you find something of value. The danger is in line 6 is that when you find the truth you won't listen to it or take it in. Is there something you aren't sure of about this person ? If so don't be afraid to penetrate, to ask questions. But when you hear the answer don't block your ears. You may find something you don't like when you take the time to think about it and the way through is to hear it whilst maintaining your own position (yin pattern 34)

Watch out for things that make you run away and block your ears like this

Maybe you have high ideals you're following (17). This is fine but if you find out something you don't like about this person try to really listen. Don't block your awareness of there being something wrong.




I don't know if this is something that will or is putting you off this person that you need to listen to or whether he wants to share something you won't like or hear ? I don't know.



It's an answer about getting to the truth of things. That may not be all bad if you can keep your ears open.

 

[Osenia]

I don't think it's a very negative answer it seems there is an issue of biting through to the truth on some matter ? 21 bites through to find the truth to find justice. There's no room for illusion, the real truth must be found. In 21.5 there's a lot of effort to find the truth, perhaps there's something you're thinking about very hard, weighing this person up ? If you persist in biting through you find something of value. The danger is in line 6 is that when you find the truth you won't listen to it or take it in. Is there something you aren't sure of about this person ? If so don't be afraid to penetrate, to ask questions. But when you hear the answer don't block your ears. You may find something you don't like when you take the time to think about it and the way through is to hear it whilst maintaining your own position (yin pattern 34)

Watch out for things that make you run away and block your ears like this

Maybe you have high ideals you're following (17). This is fine but if you find out something you don't like about this person try to really listen. Don't block your awareness of there being something wrong.




I don't know if this is something that will or is putting you off this person that you need to listen to or whether he wants to share something you won't like or hear ? I don't know.



It's an answer about getting to the truth of things. That may not be all bad if you can keep your ears open.

Trojina, thank you for this very interesting insight. I would say it reflects the situation quite well.

I think I do indeed have high ideals that touch upon equality of right for all people and I am very upset when those rights are being distorted due to stereotypes. I also do not know the person very well, it is all fresh and new, not even sure if he is attracted to me, but I would say there is something of some sorts. In our last hanging out time he said some things that made me quite upset the way he thinks of some things, e. g. Stereotypical thinking of a fragile pure women who should and shouldn't do certain things or that refugees cause trouble. Yet I'm not sure if he is joking and just "winding me up" or if he is being serious here. Despite that all I somehow feel very fond of him and as if I known him for years.

I was thinking that I'm open to compromise and conversations re these topics, but if he believes that because I'm a women am somehow entitled to different things than he is - then I'm not sure I can compromise that much. So this is something that has been on my mind. I wonder if the not listening or closing my ears also means that I either refuse to hear what I don't like and saying I'll still go for this romance or that I'm not listening deeper to what he is saying/joking and getting immediatly offended by what he says.

There is another factor of him being in an environment that I carved for myself post previous break up so I'm very cautious of not ruining that environment because of romance and doubting if I could handle it.

 

[Matali]

S/he didn't cast 17.5 or 17.6, they aren't her answer.




I don't understand this sentence. You had a break up, then a new love started then you met someone else, is that what you mean ?

Also you haven't told us what the question is ?



A hexagram can't just be 'negative' nor 'positive' nor a line come to that, it depends on the context.

I don't know what you are asking ?

Yes Trojina, I know that's not the answer, but my question was : are these two lines mirror lines (fan yao) to take into account? Because these are two very strong lines in relation to a romantic situation... On the other hand, what kind of situation is it? That's the question...

 

[Trojina]

No you can't read 17.5.6 as the answer. I mean you can do what you want with them as mirrors but it doesn't make sense to get a cast of 21.5.6 and then say how positive 17.5.6 looks. They aren't strong lines, the lines to look at are the lines she cast.